celeb news Swifties are divided over the silence of Taylor/Taylor Nation about the late Swiftie

[sunbathinganimal]

23 minutes ago, prettyinpink940 said:

how is this any of taylor's business? 

[Kuntmonster]

She can’t pay, or else she could be deemed liable for her death when it clearly had nothing to do with her. It’s not rocket science to realise that 

[Cruel Summer]

16 minutes ago, LastGreatBloodline said:

They were so worried about a fan from the US fainting but can't do **** about someone who died at the concert? give me a break

 

 

This kind of thing is exactly why many fans expect that she is limited from reaching out, financially helping, or making further statements due to legal reasons or open investigations, assuming she still has not reached out. It seems exceedingly unlikely that she spontaneously went from a person whose mom goes to support a fan who passed out to suddenly being a cold, callous person who would simply pretend nothing happened. Even if she were purely self-serving, she is undoubtedly fully aware of the optics of the situation.

[Edu]

when she takes her private jet back to the us after tonight's show 

[byzantium]

7 minutes ago, Selegend said:

They're not thinking about the reasons why she did nothing, they're just sad. 

This kind of sums up all these conversations and why I am a little nervous for her.  People are not thinking, just acting emotionally.  And of course humans should be allowed to express emotions, but to do so through media in an organized an public manner can become dangerous really quickly. 
 

And you are correct. She faces real dangers every day in the US.  That is why she spends millions of millions of dollars on security every year.  However, the one difference between the US and when she is abroad is that her team is not familiar with the local area and institutions.  It’s unlikely anyone on her team speaks Portuguese, so she has to rely on a lot of local teams who … given the instance with the vehicles … and the clusterfvck with T4f, have had some documented issues these last few days.

[Mr. Mendes]

I swear whenever an opportunity arises for stan war bullshit people here lose every brain cell they’ve been struggling to hold onto. 

 

It has been two days and in the information that her family can’t transport her remains has been available for LESS THAN A DAY. How on god’s green earth was Taylor supposed to automatically know that getting Ana’s remains out of Rio would be a challenge?

 

These last two days have not been spent doing nothing. She and her team have had to figure out a way to manage the risks that have been revealed with this venue and organize the resources to ensure 100,000+ people can see the remaining shows that she has no option to cancel safely. 

 

Everyone is upset with her for not going on stage and saying something and yet today, Ana’s family demanded that fans do NOT bring signs with Ana’s name on it tonight, do NOT do a moment of silence, do NOT do the justice for Ana stuff they planned to. 

 

Her family doesn’t want this to be any more of a circus than it already is. 

 

No, the family members had not been contacted by the time that interview was given—an interview given less than half a day after this happened—but it’s ******* WILD to assume that they won’t be once the shows are done, or that Taylor and her team haven’t been trying to, or that clusterfuck of communication problems that have surrounded this whole weekend are getting in the way of everyone’s best efforts to do the right thing. 

 

Y’all act like you’re there and know what’s going on behind closed doors but the reality is you’re getting all your news from people on Twitter who don’t know anymore than you do about what’s really going on. 

 

Please pull your head out of your ass and use some real world thinking instead of the stan war brain rot thinking. 

[Edu]

imagine defending a billionaire over a grieving family

swifties show some compassion challenge

[Arrows]

Taylor is NOT gonna do anything public without the family’s permission. That’s why she didn’t say Ana’s name or why she wouldn’t do a tone-deaf, rushed memorial at her concert.  
 

Speaking through her music was the most she could do without being extremely disrespectful to the family, who might or might not want privacy instead of a huge, public spectacle. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Arrows

[Bussea]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

I swear whenever an opportunity arises for stan war bullshit people here lose every brain cell they’ve been struggling to hold onto. 

 

It has been two days and in the information that her family can’t transport her remains has been available for LESS THAN A DAY. How on god’s green earth was Taylor supposed to automatically know that getting Ana’s remains out of Rio would be a challenge?

 

These last two days have not been spent doing nothing. She and her team have had to figure out a way to manage the risks that have been revealed with this venue and organize the resources to ensure 100,000+ people can see the remaining shows that she has no option to cancel safely. 

 

Everyone is upset with her for not going on stage and saying something and yet today, Ana’s family demanded that fans do NOT bring signs with Ana’s name on it tonight, do NOT do a moment of silence, do NOT do the justice for Ana stuff they planned to. 

 

Her family doesn’t want this to be any more of a circus than it already is. 

 

No, the family members had not been contacted by the time that interview was given—an interview given less than half a day after this happened—but it’s ******* WILD to assume that they won’t be once the shows are done, or that Taylor and her team haven’t been trying to, or that clusterfuck of communication problems that have surrounded this whole weekend are getting in the way of everyone’s best efforts to do the right thing. 

 

Y’all act like you’re there and know what’s going on behind closed doors but the reality is you’re getting all your news from people on Twitter who don’t know anymore than you do about what’s really going on. 

 

Please pull your head out of your ass and use some real world thinking instead of the stan war brain rot thinking. 

 

[Mr. Mendes]

2 hours ago, Lady Claire said:

The poor billionaire white woman who’s being attacked for not having any sense of humanity towards a fan who died.  “B-but she dedicated a song!!!111!!” without even mentioning the girl’s name.

 

Taylor was so affected that if it wasn’t for the concert postponed, she would’ve been today back in the US supporting her boyfriend. Oh, poor Taylor! She’s so precious

 

I guess her sense of empathy only works with the fans that can help her sell albums and break records… in the United States. It doesn’t matter at what angle you see this situation, she ****** up. It’s not hard to admit. Her team handled this situation HORRIBLY.  

We know that it wasn’t her fault but it’s her name and her brand. Supporting the family at least with an “sorry that happened to you” message should’ve been the bare minimum. All they got was a 1989-aesthetic type post with the most generic statement… and a STORY at that, something that vanished in 24h. 
 

I truly hope her team tries to at least fix this somehow. 

So fascinated that you seem to know everything that is happening behind closed doors. 
 

No she didn’t say Ana’s name. Based upon her family swooping in today to put a stop to that fan project, it seems her family would really rather discussion of their daughter’s death not take place on a concert stage. All her getting up there and saying something would do is make a messy situation even messier while simultaneously pushing the narrative and attention even further away from where it belongs which is on the person who died, not what the pop star who’s show she was at said about it. 

 

The interview where they said they had not been contacted came hours after the event and the information that Ana’s remains cannot be transported came yesterday. This isn’t information that everyone has just been sitting on. We don’t know what discussions are being had behind closed doors, nor do we know what challenges have arisen in the pursuit to make contact and help where help is needed. 

 

Given the fact she received death threats for postponing a show by 2 days, I would imagine the general sentiment here is to ensure that the remaining shows are held safely with all the recourses needed being made available, the venue made safe from all the horrendous things it decided to do for Friday, and that the over 100k people still to see a show are able to do so in the best possible circumstances all while discussing what can be done in regards to Ana. 

 

Information about Ana and what happened and what is happening now came slowly. When Taylor posted her statement (which is NOT in the ******* 1989 aesthetic it is Taylor’s handwriting on a white background, give me a break), she was honest in saying she didn’t have much information. Even now at this very moment we don’t have much more information than we did Friday. 

 

And even when information becomes available, WE have no right to it. We have no right to know what things are happening out our view. We have no right to be let in on the whole process that either party is undertaking to see the right and appropriate thing done. Everyone is asking for this all to be done way out in the open when that just isn’t appropriate first off and seems to go against what Ana’s family even wants given their statements today second off. 

[Edu]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

Ana’s family demanded that fans do NOT bring signs with Ana’s name on it tonight

stop talking out of your ass

 

[State of Grace.]

17 minutes ago, Edu said:

imagine defending a billionaire over a grieving family

swifties show some compassion challenge

Imagine weaponizing the poor girl's death for silly stan war points? That's exactly what some of you are doing here instead of having proper conversations about the situation. 

 

And no, I'm not defending any of the swifties shenanigans either. But this thread (and the others, albeit I haven't scrolled through ALL those pages) is very gross.

Edited November 20, 2023 by State of Grace.

[Edu]

Just now, State of Grace. said:

Imagine weaponizing a poor girl's death for silly stan war points?

 

And no, I'm not defending any of the swifties shenanigans either. But this thread (and the others, albeit I haven't scrolled through ALL those pages) is very gross.

agreed

some people seem to have forgotten what happened and are instead trying to protect their fave

[Starchild]

35 minutes ago, Edu said:

when she takes her private jet back to the us after tonight's show 

What Is she supposed to take from Brazil genius?

[k4rmabutterfly]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

It has been two days and in the information that her family can’t transport her remains has been available for LESS THAN A DAY. How on god’s green earth was Taylor supposed to automatically know that getting Ana’s remains out of Rio would be a challenge?

Maybe if she tried to contact them immediately after the news reached her (the right thing to do) she would’ve know that. If there was something blocking her from helping she could’ve told the family. 

 

31 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

Everyone is upset with her for not going on stage and saying something and yet today, Ana’s family demanded that fans do NOT bring signs with Ana’s name on it tonight, do NOT do a moment of silence, do NOT do the justice for Ana stuff they planned to. 

 

Her family doesn’t want this to be any more of a circus than it already is. 

Can y’all post entire informations please? Her family didn’t want silence but they approved fans wanting to honor their daughter. 

 

 

31 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

No, the family members had not been contacted by the time that interview was given—an interview given less than half a day after this happened—but it’s ******* WILD to assume that they won’t be once the shows are done, or that Taylor and her team haven’t been trying to, or that clusterfuck of communication problems that have surrounded this whole weekend are getting in the way of everyone’s best efforts to do the right thing. 

What are you even try to say here? I really don’t understand. How was the family not contacted when they were ones giving the interview?  Did I miss something? They have said there was zero communication or help from her and her team. 

 

31 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

Y’all act like you’re there and know what’s going on behind closed doors but the reality is you’re getting all your news from people on Twitter who don’t know anymore than you do about what’s really going on. 

Seems like you’re the one getting news from Twitter only sweetie. I know y’all are Americans and don’t understand Portuguese so the confusion is big, but a lot of what you said is just not accurate.

Edited November 20, 2023 by k4rmabutterfly

[Edu]

1 minute ago, Starchild said:

What Is she supposed to take from Brazil genius?

she has 3 shows in são paulo starting friday

[k4rmabutterfly]

Anyways, it’s pointless to discuss with the swifties at this point. The xenophobia is just crazy, but I hope everything goes well at the end. It’s just a horrible situation for both her and ESPECIALLY the family.

[Mr. Mendes]

8 minutes ago, Edu said:

stop talking out of your ass

 

Yes that bit I was incorrect on. They did however say no to the extent of protest that was originally planned. Its one thing to hold up a sign of respect like they do with the phone lights for Marjorie, its another to do a silent protest. 

 

This doesn’t really refute any point I made. Her family doesn’t want the sensationalism and that’s what that original plan was. There’s a reason they said no don’t do that. 

[on the line]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

I swear whenever an opportunity arises for stan war bullshit people here lose every brain cell they’ve been struggling to hold onto. 

 

It has been two days and in the information that her family can’t transport her remains has been available for LESS THAN A DAY. How on god’s green earth was Taylor supposed to automatically know that getting Ana’s remains out of Rio would be a challenge?

 

These last two days have not been spent doing nothing. She and her team have had to figure out a way to manage the risks that have been revealed with this venue and organize the resources to ensure 100,000+ people can see the remaining shows that she has no option to cancel safely. 

 

Everyone is upset with her for not going on stage and saying something and yet today, Ana’s family demanded that fans do NOT bring signs with Ana’s name on it tonight, do NOT do a moment of silence, do NOT do the justice for Ana stuff they planned to. 

 

Her family doesn’t want this to be any more of a circus than it already is. 

 

No, the family members had not been contacted by the time that interview was given—an interview given less than half a day after this happened—but it’s ******* WILD to assume that they won’t be once the shows are done, or that Taylor and her team haven’t been trying to, or that clusterfuck of communication problems that have surrounded this whole weekend are getting in the way of everyone’s best efforts to do the right thing. 

 

Y’all act like you’re there and know what’s going on behind closed doors but the reality is you’re getting all your news from people on Twitter who don’t know anymore than you do about what’s really going on. 

 

Please pull your head out of your ass and use some real world thinking instead of the stan war brain rot thinking. 

In the words of Sutton Stracke: NAME EM!

 

[Edu]

i don't think you all get it so let's make one thing clear: taylor isn't the one responsible for that poor girl's death, period

and while i understand that we don't have the full scoop on what is going on behind closed doors, she has built a career for herself based on her close relationship with the fans so to pretend that the loss of ana is something that should be brushed off and ignored is beyond tone-deaf

[Lady Claire]

15 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said:

Maybe if she tried to contact them immediately after the news reached her (the right thing to do) she would’ve know that. If there was something blocking her from helping she could’ve told the family. 

 

Can y’all post entire informations please? Her family didn’t want silence but they approved fans wanting to honor their daughter. 

 

 

What are you even try to say here? I really don’t understand. How was the family not contacted when they were ones giving the interview?  Did I miss something? They have said there was zero communication or help from her and her team. 

 

Seems like you’re the one getting news from Twitter only sweetie. I know y’all are Americans and don’t understand Portuguese so the confusion is big, but a lot of what you said is just not accurate.

All of this. Thank you.

 

They are just trying to find excuses.

 

And Ana’s mother thanked the FANS earlier TODAY bc this was the only help they had so far:

 

So if Taylor’s team or T4F reached out to them, it was only hours ago.

 

So much for a singer that always prioritize her fans… Why is that now? It leaves the lasting impression that they are just trying to leave this behind and move on to avoid any more controversy regards Taylor or the tour. This is not right. 

[k4rmabutterfly]

Just to finish my point, a lot of y’all are saying she couldn’t help the family financially because it could cause her problems for admmiting guilt, but why did she not contact them to at least express condolences, explain why she couldn’t help financially, and ask if she could help with anything else? I’m sure she would’ve done this if it was an american fan. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by k4rmabutterfly

[JOJO335]

1 minute ago, k4rmabutterfly said:

Anyways, it’s pointless to discuss with the swifties at this point. The xenophobia is just crazy, but I hope everything goes well at the end. It’s just a horrible situation for both her and ESPECIALLY the family.

Watch out for the same people saying that Tay shouldn't be saying/doing anything later become the first ones pointing out how "human" and "sympathetic" she is when she finally does address this situation after being pressured to do so.

 

Maybe is because I lost someone super close to me this past month, but this whole thing has touched me deeply... seeing so many fans treating the DEATH of a human being as an "inconvenience" for Taylor... as just a "cloud" over her successful tour... "she should just leave this place and never come back"... seriously, it just reaffirmed a very ugly side of human race to me. Apparently some lives are more worthy than others... it's a sad sad reality

[on the line]

4 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said:

Just to finish my point, a lot of y’all are saying she couldn’t help the family financially because it could cause her problems for admmiting guilt, but why did she not contact them to at least express condolences, explain why she couldn’t help financially, and ask if she could help with anything else? I’m sure she would’ve done this if it was an american fan. 

You're still spending your entire day making more assumptions?

[State of Grace.]

4 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said:

Just to finish my point, a lot of y’all are saying she couldn’t help the family financially because it could cause her problems for admmiting guilt, but why did she not contact them to at least express condolences, explain why she couldn’t help financially, and ask if she could help with anything else? I’m sure she would’ve done this if it was an american fan. 

I do agree with this though. It is surprising and disappointing that she hasn't reached out privately. She has some of the top lawyers in the entire world so she could definitely get in contact with Ana's family and express condolences without getting herself in something that would get her ass dragged to court with the promoters later. Really hope she does.