base talk Smallest MPG peaks?

[sunbathinganimal]

Lady GaGa

[Gayoncé]

3 minutes ago, brenda-walsh said:

Gaga was flopping by 2012, Kesha and Nicki aren't even in the conversation, Bey was underperformed with 4 and Adele didn't breakthrough until 2011.

 

so ya, from 2007-2013 Rihanna had the hits, albums, iconic looks and videos, and even fairly successful tours. 

Lmao. All Rihanna had was quick lil singles. Her albums are forgotten and full of fillers nobody wants to listen to.

 

[GoodGuyGoneGhetto]

14 minutes ago, byzantium said:

No they are right.  Part of Rihanna’s success is in part to the fact that she did not really have mega peaks like The Fame, 21, 1989 etc.  Even in 2010, she was a bit overshadowed by Gaga, Taylor, Bieber, Bruno, Eminem and even Katy to a degree.  And then only a few months after Loud’s debut, Adele came around and overshadowed everyone. 

“Abit overshadowed” when she had the most dominant popularity on iTunes and the time, as well in digital sales, as was scoring 300K+ sales weeks in the U.K and 100K+ sales weeks in Germany that nobody else was seeing besides Adele… 

 

F*ck me! I wish everyone could be “abit overshadowed” like this. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by GoodGuyGoneGhetto

[Kimi]

by the numbers Miley did 7.6M during her peak era which is less than any other pop girl sans Selena Gomez.

[byzantium]

4 minutes ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said:

“Abit overshadowed” when she had the most dominant popularity on iTunes and the time, as well in digital sales, as was scoring 300K+ sales weeks in the U.K and 100K+ sales weeks in Germany that nobody else was seeing besides Adele… 

 

F*ck me! I wish everyone could be “abit overshadowed” like this. 

You forget to mention that she was releasing at over 2x the rate of other artists.  
 

Not sure why you are so defensive about this too.  There is nothing wrong with consistently being one of the top artists in the world for a decade.  Much preferable to peaking high and then fading away like some. 

[GoodGuyGoneGhetto]

Objectively speaking, in terms of MPG’s to debut in the last 10-15 years:

 

Ariana Grande, Selena Gomez & Dua Lipa. 
 

That said it’s mostly a product of the era in which they peaked in. 
 

The middle-to-late 2010’s, unfortunately, didn’t have the same consumer heights as the 2000’s to early 2010’s and the industry had vastly changed by that point. 
 

Nonetheless, Ariana Grande was able to obtain a massive streaming high, even scoring the title of ‘Most Streamed Female’ for a time so she excelled either way. 

 

I would argue that Jennifer Lopez and, possibly, Christina Aguilera didn’t have a peak as big as Britney Spears, Avril Lavigne in terms of MPG’s from the very early 2000’s followed by Beyonce, Alicia Keys. Pink, Kelly Clarkson sit somewhere in the middle aa do Rihanna and Taylor Swift depending on how you view their numbers statistically.

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by GoodGuyGoneGhetto

[GentleEarthquake]

Ariana but it's her own fault

[CandleGuy]

Not P!nk even being forgotten in this thread 

 

She's the prime example of consistent success without ever really being a top 3 girl

[unclefloprry]

ww probably Beyonce.
tbh globally she never felt as big as I see she is in the US. Even IASF, which is her most global era, was not as big as the peak of the other MPGs. 

Pink too, it really surprises me that she's performing in stadiums in Europe and the Anglosphere, considering that her stats are mid. 

 

[WEEKND]

Definitely Ariana 

 

no big tour

no iconic looks 

no diamond single

no diamond album 

never had a huge debut 

[unclefloprry]

Now among pop girls in general, Demi and it's not a debate

[Erreur2 La Nature]

It's definitely Demi Lovato but nobody puts her in the MPG category to be fair. If we don't count Demi it's probably Christina Aguilera: her commercial success has always been much much weaker than everyone else, her songs' sales were tragic for 95% of them, she wasn't particularly popular at her peak just famous for going the Britney Spears route.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Erreur2 La Nature

[Mordecai]

1 hour ago, byzantium said:

No they are right.  Part of Rihanna’s success is in part to the fact that she did not really have mega peaks like The Fame, 21, 1989 etc.  Even in 2010, she was a bit overshadowed by Gaga, Taylor, Bieber, Bruno, Eminem and even Katy to a degree.  And then only a few months after Loud’s debut, Adele came around and overshadowed everyone. 

...This is false. Yeah she didn't have a 'peak' but Rihanna was serving hit after hit after hit nonstop for years was not being overshadowed by those names. Umbrella, We Found Love, Stay and Diamonds were all massive hits and inescapable when they were released, and she's got at least another 5-10 hits to her name

 

Also, what is it with people inflating Taylor's success pre-1989? Probably a different story in the US but WW she was not on the level of Gaga/Katy/Rih/Adele

 

OT: Probably Demi. She was on her way to becoming A-list with Sorry Not Sorry but then overdosed and that (unfortunately) killed all the momentum she had

Edited November 15, 2023 by Mordecai

[M!X]

1 hour ago, Gayoncé said:

Gaga, Katy, Beyoncé, Adele, and even Kesha, Nicki Minaj and Shakira were all bigger than Rihanna then 

[Katy V.!]

Between Ariana and Rihanna. 

 

Rihanna ended up above all her peers (except Taylor) so I don't know why the navy is all bothered in this thread

[M!X]

I just can't believe people here on a pop music forum are acting like Good Girl Gone Bad era and Love The Way Lie - LOUD - We found love period were not massive peaks,  and the fact Rih was pumping out new albums every year make them even more impressive, like wtf is going on here,  you are either way too old and demented or way too young I just can't

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by M!X

[CristianGarcia]

5 minutes ago, M!X said:

I just can't believe people here on a pop music forum are acting like Good Girl Gone Bad era and Love The Way Lie - LOUD - We found love period were not massive peaks,  and the fact Rih was pumping out new albums every year make them even more impressive, like wtf is going on here,  you are either way too old and demented or way too young I just can't

 

 

LOUD going into We Found Love was definitely Rihanna’s peak but people can’t see that because the GGGB and ANTI era’s were almost equally successful 

 

 

[M!X]

1 minute ago, CristianGarcia said:

LOUD going into We Found Love was definitely Rihanna’s peak but people can’t see that because the GGGB and ANTI era’s were almost equally successful 

 

 

Eh Anti really is not her peak, its impressive chart history apart from the fact it's her artistic peak is a result of the fact she took her biggest break yet and people slowly started to realize her importance as a pop culture music icon in her absence (hence why is she one of the most streamed artists right now), but her presence in pop culture was not really there that much because she did not want that, it was obvious she was checking out and transitioning to her other business ventures post 2016/2017, completely different situation than GGGB/LOUD when she was everywhere and was present as a pop star first and foremost

[Hunter_13]

Ariana 

[Reverse Warholian]

Pink 

[XtiRih]

1 hour ago, Glamthony said:

and after that she fade away, that's what a small peak means.

and then you wake up

 

Debut was her peak in North America (DIAMOND), Mi Reflejo was her peak in South America, Stripped - Europe, B2B - German-speaking countries + France

= 4 albums, four

 

She has better stats than most MPG on charts, she has at least 10 songs in almost all countries that reached the top 10. Yes USA, yes Germany, yes UK, yes NZ, yes Australia, yes Mexico, yes Switzerland, yes Spain etc.

[Kiss It Better]

if they're considered as MPG, it's def Pink, Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato

 

i don't even know what was Demi's peak commercially... was it Confident era? or TMYLM era?

[XtiRih]

53 minutes ago, Erreur2 La Nature said:

It's definitely Demi Lovato but nobody puts her in the MPG category to be fair. If we don't count Demi it's probably Christina Aguilera: her commercial success has always been much much weaker than everyone else, her songs' sales were tragic for 95% of them, she wasn't particularly popular at her peak just famous for going the Britney Spears route.

Xtina outsold Brittany (Stripped outsold ITZ, B2B outsold Circus and Blackout. And remember, B2B was sold at double the price because it's a double disc) from 2002 until at least 2008, and later in the 2010s she sold more albums and singles than her (yes, X sold MORE ALBUMS than B ). Stats from 1998-2001 are saving Britney's ass and you know it. Xtina stated that she prefers artistic freedom and we know how both ladies are doing in 2023. Spotify? Say thank you to scandals (as always with Britney)

[Robburro]

Like it or not, Selena is the perfect example of that and her career is very successful also because of that. She was never THAT girl but was always on the radar like... consistency > having a big peak and being forgotten

[Keeandga]

16 minutes ago, XtiRih said:

Xtina outsold Brittany (Stripped outsold ITZ, B2B outsold Circus and Blackout. And remember, B2B was sold at double the price because it's a double disc) from 2002 until at least 2008, and later in the 2010s she sold more albums and singles than her (yes, X sold MORE ALBUMS than B ). Stats from 1998-2001 are saving Britney's ass and you know it. Xtina stated that she prefers artistic freedom and we know how both ladies are doing in 2023. Spotify? Say thank you to scandals (as always with Britney)

Christina is amazing and endlessly talented but for the most part this is out of context and not true, but I don’t have discredit X to make Britney’s (correct spelling) stats look better bc at the end of the day who really cares but Britney total sales are much greater than Christina’s that’s just fact, but that doesn’t mean X hasn’t had an amazing career. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Keeandga