base talk Is Beyoncé vs Taylor the most boring stan war of all time?

[Solaria]

The constant back and forth, both sides having people being unable to acknowledge the other side’s success and or talent, the diminishing of artists their appeal, the snobbery and arrogance… this has got to be the most boring stan war ever. I’m Olivia Popeing this thing. Get me representatives from both the Swifties and the Beyhive and we’ll sign a peace treaty

 

 

 

[BlossomSoul]

Yes it’s so random and weird 

[SwiftLover]

Yes. Someone so “boring & basic” should not be THIS triggering  

[réveuse]

Yes, 100%. Beyoncé and Taylor Swift are both talented and amazing artists, they both respect eachother, and are totally different artistically. Beyhives and Swifties are so toxic and annoying.

[idkwiam]

4 minutes ago, SwiftLover said:

Yes. Someone so “boring & basic” should not be THIS triggering  

Oop. Spill bestie.

 

OT: Everything related hive is boring tbh.

Their fave literally just had the biggest female tour of all times yet the same day they made the thread about how much is Taylor Swift tour boosting the economy. Very insecure I would say.

 

Edited September 4, 2023 by idkwiam

[Kimbra]

6 minutes ago, SwiftLover said:

Yes. Someone so “boring & basic” should not be THIS triggering  

Here they go...

[PoisonedIvy]

Honestly yes, they couldn’t be FURTHER apart in terms of the lanes they occupy culturally, musically, and visually. They do ENTIRELY different things and there is no point in the incessant conflict between some members of both fanbases. It’s like if fans of Broadway productions were constantly beefing with heavy metal fans about which genre of music is better when it’s very clear that they are in two separate realms that will never overlap  

[FolkLover1989]

There was no bad blood , the tour started it all

 

Eras Tour is factually the biggest event of this decade and dare I say this century , so Hives started dragging it for being basic and white then offcourse Swifties started pulling the receipts as well and it has been same since then

 

And it won't end till 2025 atp 

[Johnny Jacobs]

Yes 

 

Mostly because it's the stans fighting while their faves aren't even in on it

[perpetual novice]

1 minute ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

Honestly yes, they couldn’t be FURTHER apart in terms of the lanes they occupy culturally, musically, and visually. They do ENTIRELY different things and there is no point in the incessant conflict between some members of both fanbases. It’s like if fans of Broadway productions were constantly beefing with heavy metal fans about which genre of music is better when it’s very clear that they are in two separate realms that will never overlap  

THIS!!! There is no overlap between Beyonce's world in music and Taylor's, zero. 

[Axelios]

It's very one sided. Most Taylor fans have other stuff to care about.

[Digitalism]

And it kinda doesn't make sense since taylor is known for the huge success and bey for being perfect in everything. Not comparable

[Safe&Sound]

If it's not Bey stans who keep feeling insecure of Taylor's success, this stan war wouldn't exist

 

Let me get this straight

Taylor is on top of the game, her tour is celebration of her entire discography, so of course she will surmount Beyonce's tour number

from the Spotify number data, Taylor eclipsed her too. Sis collected 100mil+ streams daily

 

Idc what anyone said in Twitter on this forum, I always see Taylor's fair competitors are Drake and The Weeknd

The comparison with Beyonce doesnt make sense at all

 

If there's someone Beyonce fans want to pick up the fight with, Renaissance and Chromatica's numbers are not really far 

[Kimbra]

Both sides have points. Like the beyhive pointing out that as a black woman she has to work twice as hard for half of of what white women get and the Swifties have a point in how the stan world disregards Taylor's artistry due to it not being "fierce" , "edgy" and "impctful"

[Solaria]

2 minutes ago, Axelios said:

It's very one sided. Most Taylor fans have other stuff to care about.

That is not true and you know it. Both sides are at fault here

[Finkypop]

Yes it's mostly the Hive getting clocked and then screaming "mayo!!!1!1!!" and "white mediocrity!". Hang it up flatscreen 

[Kimbra]

Also I would like to point out when Swifties try to shut down the misogyny they throw at black female artists by saying "women should support women" What they really mean is that women should support Taylor.

[Obsession]

It's insane, because they're not even peers. And each side swears the other one is the instigator but both sides are being ******* annoying.

Edited September 4, 2023 by Obsession

[KKW]

4 minutes ago, Finkypop said:

screaming "mayo!!!1!1!!" and "white mediocrity!"

Well it is 

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

They’re too different to compare in nearly all artistic capacities so all arguments feel kind of like you’re comparing apples vs oranges, both sides are wasting their time 

[mxoonlight]

Yes, and I'm going to be so honest (and IDC if anyone disagrees!!! Because y'all know it's true!!!), it gives race war always. Bey and Taylor both have such broad appeal within their specific demographics that whenever someone leads with "WELL I DON'T JUST GET IT..." it always rings like there's an element of distrust or dislike that I feel stems from the detachment from the specific culture they represent and the audience that attracts rather than anything to do with themselves as artists or celebrities.

[vale9001]

 Beyoncè  never had a peak era like of the ones of britney, whitney, prince, queen, adele, gaga or taylor. What should be her baby one more time,  purple rain, the fame monster, 21, the bodyguard, 1989. More impact in culture in the last decade than with music. 

 

So the fact they try to show she's the most relevant popstar in the current state of music (when she peaked as gp star the year obama was elected) is just giving non sense. "Even" Dua lipa last 10 years are bigger than Beyoncè.

 

They should just accept Beyoncè strongness is her longevity and talent as performer but she has never touched the MUSICAL penetration in culture beatles, taylor, madonna, MJ. whitney, elvis had  You can't be mad when people talks about  current Taylormania comparing to Beatles or MJ talking about THE SUCCESS OF MUSIC...beyoncè never touched something like this WITH MUSIC, even in 2003 or 2008. Just accept it and move on 

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2023 by vale9001

[Rotunda]

I think y’all are over-exaggerating the extent of this stan war ngl . It’s just the same 10 or so annoying users not being self-aware that they’re annoying (hi @vale9001). 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Rotunda

[vale9001]

and everyone can see and knowS the eras tour is clearly the biggest live social cultural event at least post pandemic and this reinassance tour it's not even the most talked tour Beyonce has ever made 

Edited September 4, 2023 by vale9001

[réveuse]

11 minutes ago, Kimbra said:

Also I would like to point out when Swifties try to shut down the misogyny they throw at black female artists by saying "women should support women" What they really mean is that women should support Taylor.

I keep seeing so much anti-blackness in the swiftie community.