Otter Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) Objectively I think Taylor is the only clear cut answer at No.1 Bey/Rih trade places. Beyonce having the bigger traction, hence bigger openning numbers, touring ability. But Rih has the hits & strong music familiarity amongst the GP, hence the huge streaming numbers. Adele is third because lack of longevity but still an unmatched peak. Gaga music wise is a bit further behind the rest, but her cultural impact & reverence is up there with Bey. Edited August 8, 2023 by Otter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
istan4badgalriri Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 50 minutes ago, Feanor said: So even with her "several global hits", Rihanna still failed to chart as high as Taylor did with all her non-hits and front-loaded albums? That tells us all we need to know about Rihanna's state of her career in 2016. No matter which way you try to move the goalpost, making it to #3 on an official, annual & global chart measuring global consumption will always factually and objectively be bigger than just making it to #8. So if Taylor was spiraling downwards despite making it that high, Rihanna's career was in freefall… going by your logic of course. Yeah… David Bowie was #2 on that 2016 IFPI list yet nowhere to be found on the streaming charts that year. Not sure what methodology they use (at least back then) but it clearly wasn’t the most accurate measure of popularity. The fact that their albums chart didn’t even include streaming in 2016, was purely based on… shipments, tells me everything I need to know. Rihanna was the 3rd most streamed artist of 2016 on Spotify (the only woman in the Top 5). She ranked #4 on YouTube and was most likely the top female artist on Apple Music that year (considering she was declared the most streamed ever as of 2018). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, lonnie said: Acting like those re-recordings aren't full albums, one with a whole short film that was getting Oscars campaigning PR (and failed to get the nom). An album that contains several tracks is a lot more than a feature single here and there Y'all count the achievements those albums get but suddenly now they're not albums that should be counted? Of the three re-recordings, 2 of them were released and left for dead She only gave Red promo/a single Those albums stand on their own as huge commercial giants without the re-recordings. But they do not have the same weight or success as studio albums. Just look at all of them compared to Midnights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#ADOU Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Raspberries said: then you have to bring up the 2539482 McFeatures Rihanna also did in that time period that pad her stats because all of those albums had 0 longevity (at least states side) Features that will be remembered for years to come. This certified classic alone is bigger than any Taylor song ever. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkgalord Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) Why's Katy Perry not included? She's one of the original MPGs? Why are we ignoring her? Edited August 8, 2023 by Darkgalord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, #ADOU said: Features that will be remembered for years to come. This certified classic alone is bigger than any Taylor song ever. Oh wow. Certainly people turned out in droves to see this "classic" performed live on her tour, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, Raspberries said: Of the three re-recordings, 2 of them were released and left for dead She only gave Red promo/a single Those albums stand on their own as huge commercial giants without the re-recordings. But they do not have the same weight or success as studio albums. Just look at all of them compared to Midnights None of this changes the fact that Taylor released: 4 official albums, 4 re-recordings, 3 live albums including a whole Disney special in the span of four years. That's a total of 11 albums in the space of four years. Y'all can spin it whichever way y'all want but that lady has been releasing an average of three albums a year and that's that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lonnie said: None of this changes the fact that Taylor released: 4 official albums, 4 re-recordings, 3 live albums including a whole Disney special in the span of four years. That's a total of 11 albums in the space of four years. Y'all can spin it whichever way y'all want but that lady has been releasing an average of three albums a year and that's that 4 re-recordings? 3 live albums? What are you talking about? The Lover Live in Paris vinyl pressing? Edited August 8, 2023 by Raspberries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaia Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Otter said: Objectively I think Taylor is the only clear cut answer at No.1 Bey/Rih trade places. Beyonce having the bigger traction, hence bigger openning numbers, touring ability. But Rih has the hits & strong music familiarity amongst the GP, hence the huge streaming numbers. Adele is third because lack of longevity but still an unmatched peak. Gaga music wise is a bit further behind the rest, but her cultural impact & reverence is up there with Bey. Adele? Lack of longevity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#ADOU Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Oh wow. Certainly people turned out in droves to see this "classic" performed live on her tour, right? Rihanna hasn't toured in years. But people did turn out to make it bigger than any Taylor song ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Raspberries said: 4 re-recordings? 3 live albums? What are you talking about? The Lover Live in Paris vinyl pressing? Did she not release four re-recordings? Aren't Fearless, Red, Speak Now, and her self-titled re-recorded? What are the "????" for when we know good and well that Taylor's been releasing material in speed that's never been seen in mainstream before? Or are y'all going to act like she's not? That lady has released over 170 tracks in four years do you know how insane that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, #ADOU said: Rihanna hasn't toured in years. But people did turn out to make it bigger than any Taylor song ever. She toured right after this "classic" was released. Certainly they flocked in droves to see it, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
istan4badgalriri Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, lonnie said: Did she not release four re-recordings? Aren't Fearless, Red, Speak Now, and her self-titled re-recorded? What are the "????" for when we know good and well that Taylor's been releasing material in speed that's never been seen in mainstream before? Or are y'all going to act like she's not? That lady has released over 170 tracks in four years do you know how insane that is? Screaming… that’s more tracks than Rihanna has across all of her albums, standalone singles, soundtrack songs and features combined 😭 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, lonnie said: Did she not release four re-recordings? Aren't Fearless, Red, Speak Now, and her self-titled re-recorded? What are the "????" for when we know good and well that Taylor's been releasing material in speed that's never been seen in mainstream before? Or are y'all going to act like she's not? That lady has released over 170 tracks in four years do you know how insane that is? She's only released Fearless, Red and Speak Now. You also got caught trying to count her Live From Clear Channel Stripped 2008 as something she released when it was done against her will and she asked people not to stream it Taylor 2019-2023: 12 singles (including Christmas Tree Farm/All Too Well, not including songs released to small radio formats only) Rihanna 2009-2013: 29 singles (not including Cockiness or Birthday Cake or songs released to small radio formats only) Edited August 8, 2023 by Raspberries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, istan4badgalriri said: Screaming… that’s more tracks than Rihanna has across all of her albums, standalone singles, soundtrack songs and features combined 😭 Nobody consumes Rihanna albums/album tracks anyway so what does it matter if she has more music overall Nobody gives a **** about Rihanna music unless it's released as a single. And they certainly aren't willing to pay to hear it live 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, istan4badgalriri said: Screaming… that’s more tracks than Rihanna has across all of her albums, standalone singles, soundtrack songs and features combined 😭 It all totals to 191 tracks released over a span of four years excluding soundtracks like Carolina and her features. That lady had been proper releasing and they're going to sit here and act like none of this matters or counts. Like good for her and her team because the material is doing well but let's not act like Taylor releasing nearly 200 tracks to Rihanna's 3 (A PartyNextDoor feature and two soundtracks literally) since 2019 makes no difference 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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istan4badgalriri Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Raspberries said: She toured right after this "classic" was released. Certainly they flocked in droves to see it, right? …you just set yourself up because the tour you’re talking about was one of the most successful world tours back in the day…😭 Quote The Loud Tour was a large commercial success, experiencing demand for an extension of shows in the United Kingdom due to popularity. In London, Rihanna played a record-breaking 10 dates at The O2 Arena. The tour ultimately grossed an estimated value of US$90 million from 98 reported shows and a total audience of 1,200,800. The Loud Tour became the seventh-highest-grossing tour of 2011. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loud_Tour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Raspberries said: She's only released Fearless, Red and Speak Now. You also got caught trying to count her Live From Clear Channel Stripped 2008 as something she released when it was done against her will and she asked people not to stream it Taylor 2019-2023: 12 singles (including Christmas Tree Farm/All Too Well, not including songs released to small radio formats only) Rihanna 2009-2013: 23 singles (not including Cockiness or Birthday Cake or songs released to small radio formats only) You could literally take that Live From Channel live album out and Taylor would still have over 180 tracks released over these four years baby That lady has been RELEASING and y'all have been loving all the success (as you should I guess) but y'all aren't going to sit here and act like the material doesn't add up quantitatively, y'all can't have it both ways I fear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 35 minutes ago, lonnie said: Rihanna 2009 - 2013 : 4 albums Taylor Swift 2019 - 2023 : 8 albums They're not the same. Not you counting rereleases as new albums. Also unlike Taylot Rihanna does 10000 features (with bigger artists than her like Eminem and Drake) which pad her stats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, istan4badgalriri said: …you just set yourself up because the tour you’re talking about was one of the most successful world tours back in the day…😭 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loud_Tour The success in question: https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-air-canada-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-greensboro-coliseum-complex https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-oracle-arena https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-honda-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-bank-atlantic-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-american-airlines-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-hard-rock-casino https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-mandalay-bay-event-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-united-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/palace-auburn-hills-rihanna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
istan4badgalriri Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Nobody consumes Rihanna albums/album tracks anyway so what does it matter if she has more music overall Nobody gives a **** about Rihanna music unless it's released as a single. And they certainly aren't willing to pay to hear it live Rihanna’s album track streams are amazing for someone who’s only released 1 album in the streaming era and has barely released any music during the golden age of streaming. You’re trying it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lonnie said: You could literally take that Live From Channel live album out and Taylor would still have over 180 tracks released over these four years baby That lady has been RELEASING and y'all have been loving all the success (as you should I guess) but y'all aren't going to sit here and act like the material doesn't add up quantitatively, y'all can't have it both ways I fear Rihanna was spam releasing 30 singles in 4 years and yet her back catalog didn't sell like Taylor's currently is. Why? (See: Her spending like 40 weeks total in the BB200 top 10 pre-ANTI) Edited August 8, 2023 by Raspberries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said: Rihanna’s album track streams are amazing for someone who’s only released 1 album in the streaming era and has barely released any music during the golden age of streaming. You’re trying it. Rihanna's singles can't even get good streaming numbers in the golden age of the streaming era anymore babe Lift Me Up 302,367,485 (+302,886) Mind you, this had one of the biggest radio deals of all time, had like 150M in playlsiting, was on TTH for weeks, was billed as her big return to music, was performed at the Oscars, came out a few months before her big Super Bowl performance, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 39 minutes ago, lonnie said: Rihanna 2009 - 2013 : 4 albums Taylor Swift 2019 - 2023 : 8 albums They're not the same. 37 minutes ago, #ADOU said: Taylor released 7 albums in four years 2019-2023 Stop projecting. It is true that even Taylor's re-recordings are performing like Rihanna's brand new albums but don't you think it is a self drag to say it out loud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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