base talk Taylor, Gaga, Bey, Rih, Adele - biggest?

[Kill Me]

Why are the rihanna stans spamming **** about superbowl and makeup brands in this thread about who's bigger?

If all you have is woulda coulda shoulda arguments maybe you should shut the **** up.

 

I can also use that same argument...

 

Rihanna SHOULD be grateful that generous queen Tay let her have her 1st #1 album after SEVEN albums since RED easily COULD have blocked UNA if Mother Tayresa decided not to push for more holiday sales.

 

See how ridiculous this sounds?

[Headlock]

Not the Navy going stir-crazy again, Rih please release something for their sake 

[Feanor]

Just now, airplane said:

ANTI and it’s hits were stomping on reputation and Lover during the last decade while Taylor was getting blocked by Lil Nas

If that had been the case, Rihanna wouldn't have only been the 8th biggest artist globally in the year of 'ANTI', being less successful than artists with smaller catalogs (Beyoncé, Coldplay) or artists who hadn't even released any new album that year (Adele, Twenty One Pilots, Justin Bieber).

 

During 'reputation', Taylor was the third biggest artist of 2017 globally, and with 'Lover' she even was the top artist worldwide of 2019. Rihanna could not reach these heights with 'ANTI'. 

[airplane]

2 minutes ago, Miss Americana said:

Why are the rihanna stans spamming **** about superbowl and makeup brands in this thread about who's bigger?

If all you have is woulda coulda shoulda arguments maybe you should shut the **** up.

 

I can also use that same argument...

 

Rihanna SHOULD be grateful that generous queen Tay let her have her 1st #1 album after SEVEN albums since RED easily COULD have blocked UNA if Mother Tayresa decided not to push for more holiday sales.

 

See how ridiculous this sounds?

The question in the OP was very vague and broad. Again, your fave flopped outside of music and her upcoming movie and directing endeavour will also tank so it’s understandable why you wouldn’t wanna discuss that.

 

Taylor should be very grateful Rihanna gave her the biggest hit of her career in Europe + her biggest hit in America in a decade (TIWYCF)

 

4 minutes ago, Feanor said:

If that had been the case, Rihanna wouldn't have only been the 8th biggest artist globally in the year of 'ANTI', being less successful than artists with smaller catalogs (Beyoncé, Coldplay) or artists who hadn't even released any new album that year (Adele, Twenty One Pilots, Justin Bieber).

 

During 'reputation', Taylor was the third biggest artist of 2017 globally, and with 'Lover' she even was the top artist worldwide of 2019. Rihanna could not reach these heights with 'ANTI'. 

A quick look at the certifications for ANTI, Reputation and Lover for the album + singles (Work, ME! and LWYMD) would show how ANTI was bigger in every metric except touring. 

[airplane]

18 minutes ago, Headlock said:

6th vs 8th album? 

Not this argument when yall shamlessly use the cumulative (CSPC) stats of your fave’s THIRTEEN albums against everyone else who have like 5-6 😂

Edited August 8, 2023 by airplane

[Kill Me]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

The question in the OP was very vague and broad. Again, your fave flopped outside of music and her upcoming movie and directing endeavour will also tank so it’s understandable why you wouldn’t wanna discuss that.

You really wanna talk about movie endeavors knowing your fave WON A ******* RAZZIE.

Taylor Swift, The BRAND will outearn whatever shitty fabrics rihanna is shitting out of her Savage company with the ERAs tour ONLY without her opening her own makeup/lingerie brand.

 

Have fun copy pasting reciepts about panties and makeup and fighting Selena Gomez stans while we are too busy attending the BIGGEST TOUR OF ALL TIME.

[airplane]

8 minutes ago, Miss Americana said:

You really wanna talk about movie endeavors knowing your fave WON A ******* RAZZIE.

Taylor Swift, The BRAND will outearn whatever shitty fabrics rihanna is shitting out of her Savage company with the ERAs tour ONLY without her opening her own makeup/lingerie brand.

 

Have fun copy pasting reciepts about panties and makeup and fighting Selena Gomez stans while we are too busy attending the BIGGEST TOUR OF ALL TIME.

It’s okay, your one dimensional and mediocre fave does not have the range to thrive outside of being the Mc Donald’s of pop music. Let’s pray for her upcoming film. God knows how many PR agencies she’ll be hiring to chase that oscar and then cry when she’s not nominated because that’s how mediocre she is. She cannot survive without shoving her **** down everyone’s throats (whether that be through remixes, re-releases, airplay deals or 60 versions of buying an album to form a clock OR manipulating social media algorithms)

Edited August 8, 2023 by airplane

[Feanor]

11 minutes ago, airplane said:

The question in the OP was very vague and broad. Again, your fave flopped outside of music and her upcoming movie and directing endeavour will also tank so it’s understandable why you wouldn’t wanna discuss that.

 

Taylor should be very grateful Rihanna gave her the biggest hit of her career in Europe + her biggest hit in America in a decade (TIWYCF)

 

A quick look at the certifications for ANTI, Reputation and Lover for the album + singles (Work, ME! and LWYMD) would show how ANTI was bigger in every metric except touring. 

So instead of looking at the total worldwide picture, you'd rather pick and choose certifications from a few individual countries, many of them that aren't even up to date? Why the refusal to acknowledge how globally successful each artist was in 2016 and 2017 respectively when we have the official receipt for that?

 

8 minutes ago, airplane said:

Not this argument when yall shamlessly use the cumulative stats of your fave’s 13 albums against everyone else who have like 5-6 😂

This is then why I'm asking you again: Why did Rihanna underperform so noticeably on an official chart measuring global success across all metrics the last time she released a new album AND still had the most extensive catalog out of her peers?

 

Rihanna on the IFPI Top Artist chart in 2016, with 7 catalog albums and 1 new album: #8

 

Taylor on the same chart in…

2014: #1 (4 catalog albums & 1 new one)

2015: #3 (5 catalog albums & no new one)

2017: #3 (5 catalog albums & 1 new one)

2019: #1 (6 catalog albums & 1 new one)

 

So now that we have established that more albums =/= more success, I ask you once again: How come Taylor's career was spiraling downwards in 2017, when she had a better global commercial performance than others had with a larger catalog too? 

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Feanor

[Queenyoncee]

Taylor

Beyonce

Rihanna

Adele

…

Gaga

[Bears01]

Not this thread being derailed by another Swiftie vs. Navy Stan war 

 

At least it seems to be unanimous: gaga last

[wastedpotential]

31 minutes ago, airplane said:

ANTI and it’s hits were stomping on reputation and Lover during the last decade while Taylor was getting blocked by Lil Nas

And yet Lover has had such strong longevity (something a Rihanna album has never had) that it's got a single sitting in the top 5 right now 

[Sannie]

How are we defining "biggest" in this context? Musically? Commercially? Impact?

 

For example, only Gaga has proven to be successful in all areas of entertainment, and is the only one who can sell out stadiums AND movie theaters.

Taylor is undeniably the biggest musical act in the world right now.

Rihanna is undeniably popular among Internet goers and makeup enthusiasts.

Adele is a parent.

 

So really, they're all "biggest" in different areas lmao?

 

If we are going to go with overall music, obviously Taylor. What a stupid question.

[wastedpotential]

To answer the OP:

 

Taylor

--

Beyonce

Rihanna

Adele

Gaga

 

[Kill Me]

10 minutes ago, airplane said:

It’s okay, your one dimensional and mediocre fave does not have the range to thrive outside 

> Swift Merchandising
> Firefly Entertainment (production company)
> Nashville Wheels (31 entertainer coaches)
> 13 Management (management company and owner of 18 touring buses)
> S.A.T.A. Hangar (airplane hangar)
> Nashville Strategic Realty (real estate business)
> TAS Angel (bus company)
> SATA (2 private jets)
> Taylor Nation (PR company)
> TAS Rights Management
> 3 real estate companies (for NY, The Hills, Beverly Pool House)
> Leo Ventures
> Taylor Swift Productions
 

These are all the things Taylor has publicly invested in her career and all of them are related to her personal passion which is creating art.

 

Almost every talentless/flopping "popstar" is selling makeup or fabrics these days.

 

I know things were hard for navy but i didn't think stanning that talentless loser would brainwash yall into thinking retiring from music and being an Avon lady is good. The fact yall have the nerve to shame actual artists who are very passionate about creating and sharing their art while stanning a pathetic excuse for an "artist" .

[ImsoLOUD]

1 hour ago, Headlock said:

Not the Navy going stir-crazy again, Rih please release something for their sake 

Not a glorified stalker yapping about someone going stir crazy you have about 6 albums from just the last few years alone to listen to… yet you’re still (per the homepage) one of the top posters on ATRL  this week 

 

 

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by ImsoLOUD

[Mocha]

Taylor > Adele > Rih = Beyoncé > Gaga

[KingDavid]

Rihanna > Beyonce > Adele > Gaga > Taylor

[airplane]

51 minutes ago, Feanor said:

So instead of looking at the total worldwide picture, you'd rather pick and choose certifications from a few individual countries, many of them that aren't even up to date? Why the refusal to acknowledge how globally successful each artist was in 2016 and 2017 respectively when we have the official receipt for that?

I provided a breakdown of worldwide certified sales from major music markets where Rihanna cleared. Does the IFPI list have a transparent breakdown of how they rank artists on their charts, what the sales figures from every individual country are and what metrics are factored in?

Edited August 8, 2023 by airplane

[airplane]

27 minutes ago, Miss Americana said:

> Swift Merchandising
> Firefly Entertainment (production company)
> Nashville Wheels (31 entertainer coaches)
> 13 Management (management company and owner of 18 touring buses)
> S.A.T.A. Hangar (airplane hangar)
> Nashville Strategic Realty (real estate business)
> TAS Angel (bus company)
> SATA (2 private jets)
> Taylor Nation (PR company)
> TAS Rights Management
> 3 real estate companies (for NY, The Hills, Beverly Pool House)
> Leo Ventures
> Taylor Swift Productions

Nobody gives a **** about any of these hasbeen’d companies 😂😂😂. The fact that you thought bringing these nobodies up to compete with actual successful multi-billion dollar ventures is beyond hilarious. I would respond to the rest of your quote but i’ll probably get banned for going too far..

Edited August 8, 2023 by airplane

[Feanor]

5 minutes ago, airplane said:

I provided a breakdown of worldwide certified sales from major music markets where Rihanna cleared. Does the IFPI list have a breakdown of how they rank artists on their charts?

A few music markets =/= worldwide. By excluding most countries (many of them in Asia and Latin America), you automatically don't get worldwide sales, you get sales from a select few countries. There's an important distinction there. And indeed the IFPI has explained their general methodology many times over the years and it's just a quick Google search away .   And unlike selective pickings of a few countries, their chart includes ALL countries, so if we're talking about global stats, there's nothing more reliable than IFPI, not even certifications.

 

And with that established, I ask you yet again: How was Taylor's career spiraling downwards in 2017 when she was bigger that year than Rihanna (with a more extensive back catalog) was in 2016? 

This is the third time you're avoiding answering the question I quoted you for… 

[blueberries]

Taylor > Rihanna > Adele > Gaga > Beyonce

[airplane]

15 minutes ago, Feanor said:

 I ask you yet again: How was Taylor's career spiraling downwards in 2017

She was struggling to score a hit while Rihanna scored several global smashes during the same time (including Taylor’s biggest hit to date in Europe). She was also averaging around 5M spotify streams during the time, her albums were also underperforming compared to its predecessors. Reputation was also constantly leaving Billboard. She only topped the IFPI chart because reputation was frontloaded and dropped 80% in sales in its second week. On the contrary, ANTI was leaked and had 1.4M copies given away for free (which did not count towards the IFPI charts)

 

We all know ANTI and its singles picked up most of its units after 2016, unlike frontloaded bombs (reputation, lwymmd etc) so cherry picking certain year end lists won’t prove a point.

Edited August 8, 2023 by airplane

[byzantium]

Why do Rihanna fans have such a hard time coping?  Rihanna is the second biggest female artist to debut this century and one of the top 10 ever.  That is incredible. 

[305]

1. Taylor

2. Adele

3. Beyonce

4. Gaga

5. Rihanna

[#ADOU]

51 minutes ago, Miss Americana said:

> Swift Merchandising
> Firefly Entertainment (production company)
> Nashville Wheels (31 entertainer coaches)
> 13 Management (management company and owner of 18 touring buses)
> S.A.T.A. Hangar (airplane hangar)
> Nashville Strategic Realty (real estate business)
> TAS Angel (bus company)
> SATA (2 private jets)
> Taylor Nation (PR company)
> TAS Rights Management
> 3 real estate companies (for NY, The Hills, Beverly Pool House)
> Leo Ventures
> Taylor Swift Productions

Wtf is this 

Edited August 8, 2023 by #ADOU
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