Eric. Posted May 12 Posted May 12 4 minutes ago, JennyWayne said: Nemo said in the post-winner press conference that they wanted their hometown Bienne to host It has a population of 55k That's close to Bern, but a quick look on Google maps shows decent hotel capacity.
Kummercell Posted May 12 Posted May 12 4 minutes ago, BOOM! said: It should be something like 40% jury, 30% online and 30% televote or 40% jury, 60% televote + the rest of the world. Or something similar to this. Jury constantly deciding the winners should not be a thing. They should have power, sure but the current system seems flawed. 40/60 + ROTW would be great, but I think they'd have to come up with a new point system, no? Maybe come back with announcing the combined results instead of jury and then televote
TeemoR Posted May 12 Posted May 12 17 minutes ago, Atlantis said: Complaining about the juries this year is weird because that country would've literally won the whole thing without them (obviously if Joost wasn't DQ'd) and Eurovision would be over. Croatia was 3rd in the jury vote (higher than most of us expected) so why act like they tanked it. But let's talk about the Croatian jury giving 0 Switzerland and only 4 points to France. Yes, with a ginormous difference from #1. In order for Switzerland NOT to win, they should be like #7 or so on televotes with like 1/3 of the points Croatia got. Jury votes made Switzerland win, there was no space for anyone else. I am not mad they won, love Nemo and they had a great song and love to see a non-binary artist win, but facts are facts. 1
TeemoR Posted May 12 Posted May 12 6 minutes ago, BOOM! said: It should be something like 40% jury, 30% online and 30% televote or 40% jury, 60% televote + the rest of the world. Or something similar to this. Jury constantly deciding the winners should not be a thing. They should have power, sure but the current system seems flawed. Exactly, it almost cancels the effect of televoting, we shouldn't vote at all at this point. The final rank changes quite a lot with the effect of televoting, but it's so random.
DUA LIPA Posted May 12 Posted May 12 german gp is so cooked when it comes to israel and the entire dutch situation, i really hope avrotros pulls through with this because that contest really needs some sort of reset for this to go into a healthier direction for everyone involved 2
Phonography Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Last night proved why the jury is necessary and prevented it from becoming the eurovision war contest 6 1
velocity Posted May 12 Posted May 12 why are y'all saying the jury prevented israel from winning when without the jury croatia would have won 1
Kummercell Posted May 12 Posted May 12 6 minutes ago, velocity said: i don't think ROTW should vote at all they just don't get it as a ROTWer I agree it's more fun watching it knowing I can't do anything but hope you guys get it right
nadiamendell Posted May 12 Posted May 12 I'm HOLLERING at the Croatia stans crying on social media saying they had the better song. PLEASE. Nemo's song was better in EVERY. SINGLE. WAY. Take your rim tim tim tears and go cry elsewhere. 7 1
Phonography Posted May 12 Posted May 12 2 minutes ago, velocity said: why are y'all saying the jury prevented israel from winning when without the jury croatia would have won Croatia won the televote because there was no Europapa, if not Israel would've won. And it still doesn't make up the fact that 2 countries out of the top 3 in the televote are in war 1
zzmyth Posted May 12 Posted May 12 The way to make everything much cleaner and less messy... I would give points to every country. From 0 to 25 in the televote. And the jury's vote I would keep it the same way. With 12/10/9... That way people's vote is more balanced but everyone gets awarded even if not as high as Top10 in some countries. Also.. I feel like televoting and SMS voting in 2024 is outdated AF. I get that they have to get the money... But put publicity in the apps maybe... But let people vote for free on the apps. Also... I think that another way to make everything fairer is avoid mass voting. 20 votes per phone seems too much in my eyes. 10 votes is more than enough, and just to be able to vote for more than 1 country, only 5 votes max per person and recipient is more than ok I think. People with a 5 member family and money... Can make 100 votes. And that doesn't make it representative of the public taste. 2
Gwendolyn Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Just now, Phonography said: Croatia won the televote because there was no Europapa, if not Israel would've won. And it still doesn't make up the fact that 2 countries out of the top 3 in the televote are in war I don't think Ukraine getting so high had anything to do with the war. The song is incredible and it was literally slotted into a slot that is always seen as a death sentence. You could say it's diaspora voting too but I don't think that plays that big of a part either. 4
Eric. Posted May 12 Posted May 12 It's gonna be hard to come up with a better split than 50/50 without it looking too clunky or rigged, imo. I still maintain there should be more juries, like 20. Smaller countries can bring 10. And half must be 28+
velocity Posted May 12 Posted May 12 5 minutes ago, Phonography said: Croatia won the televote because there was no Europapa, if not Israel would've won. And it still doesn't make up the fact that 2 countries out of the top 3 in the televote are in war that's speculation. croatia was #1 at the odds and we could claim that people who would have voted for joost voted for nemo instead. what matters is that in the end the people made the correct choice with or without the jury 1
zzmyth Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Just now, Gwendolyn said: I don't think Ukraine getting so high had anything to do with the war. The song is incredible and it was literally slotted into a slot that is always seen as a death sentence. You could say it's diaspora voting too but I don't think that plays that big of a part either. I admit the song was great. And both singers did amazing. But war HAS TO DO WITH THEIR VOTE. 100%. Diaspora is bigger than any other country all thorough Europe. And the pity votes ARE A THING. People feel like they are fixing the world when doing so (it's a very catholic way of thinking... The charity obligation is still very internalized, specially in the older population). Anyway. I knew Ukraine would end Top3. Because the song was strong. But thinking that war did not help.. Is not being realistic.
Hurem Posted May 12 Posted May 12 I don't have any issue with Switzerland winning the jury vote, I think most of us knew it was going to happen. What's really discouraging is that, for the second year in a row, the jury winner had such a big lead that it was next to impossible for anyone to overtake its first place. Having the overall winner end up 5th with the public is kinda putting the competition in negative light. Why should people spend their money if they have no actual power? As much as I agree that juries are needed in the competition to balance out neighbor voting, immigration influence, etc., they will always prefer Western countries over Eastern/Southern Europe, which makes me think it's time for a revision of the voting system. Next year's Eurovision might be the smallest in a while. I don't see the Netherlands returning so easily, and Croatia losing to a rich country will probably put off Eastern countries to some extent. 12
ZIVERT Posted May 12 Posted May 12 24 minutes ago, Gwendolyn said: So the boycott did nothing? Honestly, I feel like the majority of people screaming for that were people who barely watch Eurovision. Figures were down in the UK though from 9.9 million in 2023; I think that's due to us hosting last year. According to the viewer numbers, it doesn't appear that there was a boycott, no. I would agree with your assessment. I do think we are going to see a reshuffling in the EBU, and definitely an attempt to market this next edition in the contest as a soft reset - being hosted in Switzerland has a lot of symbolic meaning. With Switzerland historically known for its neutrality, and for being the first host of the contest, we will definitely see a "return to our roots" type of marketing. However, unless anything earth shatteringly drastic happens, I don't think we will see the EBU move to reject/ban any country. If anything, I could see them becoming stricter about what press is allowed into rehearsals (bye bye fan press), and the contracts for artists becoming tighter. Now that the contest is over, I'm sure all delegations and the EBU will take some time to breathe to let the backstage drama die down. When it comes time to plan for next year, some countries might do some local theater about whether or not to participate, but I don't think we'll see any major withdrawals, if at all. According to social media engagement and TV viewership, it seems like participating in Eurovision is an overall net positive. Time will tell! In the mean time, we will rave™️ 1
Chemist Posted May 12 Posted May 12 14 minutes ago, velocity said: why are y'all saying the jury prevented israel from winning when without the jury croatia would have won By very few points. In this case Croatia won but Israel could have easily won if the netherlands were still in the contest and had split the votes with Croatia. So yeah the jury is needed to avert disaster 2 1
TeemoR Posted May 12 Posted May 12 19 minutes ago, Phonography said: Last night proved why the jury is necessary and prevented it from becoming the eurovision war contest well yeah there is a good and bad side of this. They protected us from Israel winning, but with the cost of them choosing the winning song and giving the public no space to choose. 1
Dante Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Semifinals should be 30% Tele and 70% Jury Finals should be 30% Jury and 70% Tele 1
Eric. Posted May 12 Posted May 12 6 minutes ago, zzmyth said: But let people vote for free on the apps. Also... I think that another way to make everything fairer is avoid mass voting. 20 votes per phone seems too much in my eyes. I don't think it can be free because they use your card to identify your country. At least that's how it works for ROTW. And it's actually 20 votes per card, so I do agree that the 20 votes is just a huge cash grab. It wouldn't make a difference if people had up to 10 votes instead of 20. Quote In order to enable us to assess the eligibility of Your votes, the voting rules of the ESC 2024 require us to determine the Voters' country of origin in a secure and verifiable manner. For doing so, we rely on micropayments to determine the country of registration of the bank that issued the Voters' payment card, as a proxy of the Voters' country of origin. To cast votes from a country outside a country participating in the ESC 2024, the Voters' payment card must be issued by a bank in a country outside of the participating countries of the ESC 2024. Individual Voters' locations are identified by means of a unique identifier based on their payment card. When you cast your vote from a country outside a country participating in the ESC 2024 and that Your card was issued in a country participating in the ESC 2024 or in a country where payments cannot be processed by payment providers due to legal or other regulatory reasons, the transaction will be rejected, and Your votes will not be taken into consideration. Each Voter will be allowed to buy up to 20 votes per transaction and will be allowed to proceed with only one transaction per payment card number and per Voting Window (the number of Your payment card will be used to verify fulfilment of this condition). Any additional transaction attempts with the same payment card number within the same Voting Window will be rejected.
zzmyth Posted May 12 Posted May 12 4 minutes ago, Hurem said: I don't have any issue with Switzerland winning the jury vote, I think most of us knew it was going to happen. What's really discouraging is that, for the second year in a row, the jury winner had such a big lead that it was next to impossible for anyone to overtake its first place. Having the overall winner end up 5th with the public is kinda putting the competition in negative light. Why should people spend their money if they have no actual power? As much as I agree that juries are needed in the competition to balance out neighbor voting, immigration influence, etc., they will always prefer Western countries over Eastern/Southern Europe, which makes me think it's time for a revision of the voting system. Next year's Eurovision might be the smallest in a while. I don't see the Netherlands returning so easily, and Croatia losing to a rich country will probably put off Eastern countries to some extent. Let's be honest... Switzerland was #5 in the televote by 1 point... And #2 was absolutely rigged. In a normal world it would have been #3. Also in a normal world... Juries would not have had the obligation of awarding one country that much in order to bigger mess not happening... So the jury would've been closer... But people would have also have voted freely and the +300 votes for Israel would've been divided in all the rest. So yeah... Croatia probably would've won then... But so could have Ukraine or even France TBH. The problem with these situations is that everything would have changed. Not only one. 4
Both Sides Now Posted May 12 Posted May 12 For context, Loreen was 133 points behind Käärijä in the popular vote. Nemo was 111 points behind Baby Lasagna in the popular vote. The posters here complaining about their relative position can't seem to count points which are the more important metric lol. 8 1
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