base talk Can black artist get away with less than mediocre vocals like Taylor?

[Wolf Alice]

Does Rihanna even sing live completely? Most singers improve over the years while Rihanna tries to copy whatever people throw at her  like imagine other people's vocals on your studio versions because you can't actually sing that song the way it was created but you also don't have the talent to modify it to your voice

[Sex with Rih]

11 minutes ago, Wolf Alice said:

Does Rihanna even sing live completely? Most singers improve over the years while Rihanna tries to copy whatever people throw at her  like imagine other people's vocals on your studio versions because you can't actually sing that song the way it was created but you also don't have the talent to modify it to your voice

Taylor hasn't.

 

You're not even making sense, what incoherent mess is this?

[Aethereal]

Rihanna is at best slightly above Taylor when it comes to singing. But her music is much better by light years. 

[bijonse]

Huge gulf between rihanna and Taylor’s singing abilities. Like why doesn’t somebody just post their versions of TIWYCF? 

[Donquizote]

Rihanna sings as bad as Taylor, but still smashes.

 

[eli's_rhythm]

1 hour ago, bijonse said:

Huge gulf between rihanna and Taylor’s singing abilities. Like why doesn’t somebody just post their versions of TIWYCF? 

Taylor's version is an unpolished demo and Rihanna's version is melodyne'd to hell so how is that a remotely fair comparison?

[bijonse]

2 minutes ago, eli's_rhythm said:

Taylor's version is an unpolished demo and Rihanna's version is melodyne'd to hell so how is that a remotely fair comparison?

I think taylor performed it live too and it was bad. Rihanna is good live, she’s not a top tier vocalist but she’s really good. She can’t sing well is this news to people? I thought we all knew that and knew her strength is melody and playing instruments

[SchmoodRing]

On 4/27/2023 at 4:08 PM, bijonse said:

I think taylor performed it live too and it was bad. Rihanna is good live, she’s not a top tier vocalist but she’s really good. She can’t sing well is this news to people? I thought we all knew that and knew her strength is melody and playing instruments

i've noticed for years now rihanna doesn't even perform her own songs fully. it's always the background singers doing alot of heavy work. she does have objectively the more interesting sounding voice and has a great studio singing voice. and yeah when it comes to criticisms against taylor no one has ever claimed her to be this showstopper live performer or some vocalist. she was a cute girl who had alot of catchy songs. and like you said can write and play instruments

[rihannafan]

5 hours ago, SchmoodRing said:

i've noticed for years now rihanna doesn't even perform her own songs fully. it's always the background singers doing alot of heavy work. she does have objectively the more interesting sounding voice and has a great studio singing voice. and yeah when it comes to criticisms against taylor no one has ever claimed her to be this showstopper live performer or some vocalist. she was a cute girl who had alot of catchy songs. and like you said can write and play instruments

Like I said before, youtube is free. Look up any of her Grammys performances or Brits (minus work hihi, but that's still more than Taylor can do) or Xfactor UK

Edited May 22, 2023 by rihannafan

[Mr. Mendes]

On 4/27/2023 at 7:21 AM, Sex with Rih said:

Taylor hasn't.

 

That is an absolute lie, her vocals today are miles and miles better than they were at the start of her career. Plus, there's more to being a singer than technique. I will be the first to say her technique is far from the best, and she doesn't have the most impressive range, not by a mile. But she works very well in the range she uses and she, crucially, sings with a lot of emotion and passion. Never do you not believe every word when she sings. That makes singing so much more interesting than just hitting notes and technical proficiency.

 

I'd much rather listen to someone who's giving me some emotional resonance and passion in their voice than someone like Mariah or Christina who can hit the notes but completely lack any sort of connection. Hitting big notes and belting isn't impressive if there's no feeling. 

 

Passion and feeling >> technical skill, all day, every single day. 

[lonnie]

How is this thread still going it's been two months let it go

[SchmoodRing]

10 minutes ago, rihannafan said:

Like I said before, youtube is free. Look up any of her Grammys performances or Brits (minus work hihi, but that's still more than Taylor can do) or Xfactor UK

I have seen a majority of those performances. Again Rihanna can sing the issue is she has been majorly inconsistent and sloppy as a performer which is true that is all. 

[Gorjesspazze9]

I forgot how delusional Atrl truly is

[EmailMySwift]

Rihanna is right there. Beyonce also lip-synchs extensively. 

[rihannafan]

25 minutes ago, SchmoodRing said:

I have seen a majority of those performances. Again Rihanna can sing the issue is she has been majorly inconsistent and sloppy as a performer which is true that is all. 

That's not what you said at first though? And has nothing to do with this thread

[SchmoodRing]

24 minutes ago, EmailMySwift said:

Beyonce also lip-synchs extensively. 

don't let the beyhive see this even though this has proven to be true

[SchmoodRing]

2 minutes ago, rihannafan said:

That's not what you said at first though? And has nothing to do with this thread

i know what i said and it still stands. rihanna has always been lazy and sloppy. one can argue that for the longest while her voice is more distinct alot of people for most of her career did dub her voice as mediocre especially live but she's gotten away with it like taylor has

[PoisonCandy]

On 4/21/2023 at 8:36 AM, Pheromosa said:

Idk why people are saying Rih

Taylor can’t sing a song as technically demanding as LOTB 

Neither can Rihanna. Love that song, but even on the studio version you can hear her struggling, especially on the second verse. 

[Finkypop]

Rihanna is literally a useless artist. Can’t sing, can’t dance, doesn’t write her music, doesn’t produce her music, awful live performer, basically zero artistic input. 

Yet she’s one of the most successful artists ever. So the answer is yes 

[Finkypop]

On 4/25/2023 at 10:08 AM, Frogger17 said:

"Charismatic voice"

"Ear for hits"

"Unique tone"

"Fashionista"

"Songwriter's muse"

 

Can the Navy actually say something about this woman's actual musical talent? 

This tea 
 

Her fans have posted the same comments for years, it’s kinda sad to watch. Taylor (along with most artists) destroys Rihanna in literally EVERY talent-based musical category, they are only comparable vocally. Even then, Taylor is a much better performer overall. There are several reasons why Taylor’s tours/shows are so acclaimed and massive, especially compared to Rih’s. Some of them being that Rihanna is lazy, awful, and offers nothing on stage. Hang it up Deelishis 

Edited May 22, 2023 by Finkypop

[Triton]

52 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

That is an absolute lie, her vocals today are miles and miles better than they were at the start of her career. Plus, there's more to being a singer than technique. I will be the first to say her technique is far from the best, and she doesn't have the most impressive range, not by a mile. But she works very well in the range she uses and she, crucially, sings with a lot of emotion and passion. Never do you not believe every word when she sings. That makes singing so much more interesting than just hitting notes and technical proficiency.

 

I'd much rather listen to someone who's giving me some emotional resonance and passion in their voice than someone like Mariah or Christina who can hit the notes but completely lack any sort of connection. Hitting big notes and belting isn't impressive if there's no feeling. 

 

Passion and feeling >> technical skill, all day, every single day. 

Agreed that conviction is the biggest part of a song. But Having a bigger range allows you to have a bigger emotional resonance. it requires more practice, self awareness and control to properly execute it, especially live night after night. You can also have as much passion and feeling and sound absolutely horrible, just listen to stans in concert. Proper vocals/instruments are the make or break tool for delivering and executing a song message. 
 

Taylor swift might do well within her limited 4 note lullabies that were recorded once and set to be easy but that’s when the talent of a vocalist like Whitney, Mariah or Celine can come in and really elevate a song and it’s intention. 
 

Lol at saying Mariah and Christina lack connection, especially to make Taylor Swift look better. Mariah also writes her own songs, Christina is a **** show and yells left and right so that one can drown but can deliver a much better performance and conviction depending on the subject. Taylor could never convict something as sexual as Dirty or further elevate a classic like Against All Odds. 

 

 

[wanderlust]

janet.. most of the time she doesn't even sing, just whispers.. and she barely gets any criticism for it (or the constant lip synching), Rihanna, Ashanti, Amerie.. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by wanderlust

[Steve Johnson]

1 hour ago, lonnie said:

How is this thread still going it's been two months let it go

[Triton]

Anyways, for this thread, the obvious one answer is Rihanna but she’s an obvious exception not the rule. 
 

Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Dua Lipa, Ed Sheeran, Billie Eilish, Harry Styles, Justin Bieber, Britney Spears, Selena Gomez, Madonna, JLo, Ellie Goulding, Dolly Parton, Avril Lavigne, Gwen Stefaní, Kylie Minogue, Adam Levine, Ryan Tedder, Bob Dylan, JT…. 
 

Vs 

 

Rihanna, Janet, Aaliyah and Diana Ross? Who else? What’s a big name black male vocalist that has average or shitty vocals? 

[TROPICUM]

Not that one user reviving this messy thread