Sheegs Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 Onehallyu's predecessor Hallyu8 was a kii and before that which was 6theory was even more of a kii. Stans were so unhinged back then.
applestar Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Sheep said: I'm literally known in this thread for being a disgruntled Blackjack who hates blinks. Now the fake 21 stanning please I cannot deal with new kpop fans. Just because you were appalled that papa yg called 2ne1 ugly does not a blackjack make. Please log off and listen to as if its last you are embarrassing
Witnessed ET Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 41 minutes ago, hallucinate said: me too i think there might be a drop in the chorus The teaser snippet kinda has me hyped tbh because it sounds a bit cvnty 1 hour ago, Odette Violet said: The Hags are still out here racking followers, touring worldwide, getting praises/acclaim and competing with the new girls the way IU has 31M followers but this article has no mention of her…..I guess she ain’t an idol. Also where is Suzy, Hyuna, Sunmi, Somi? They could easily make this list too. Especially since they included Hyeri. anyway, the top 30 most followed female idols according to this list: 1. Lisa Blackpink 98.2M 2. Jennie Blackpink 81.7M 3. Jisoo Blackpink 75.9M 4. Rose Blackpink 74.3M 5. Taeyeon SNSD 18.9M 6. Yoona SNSD 16.9M 7. Tiffany SNSD 15.9M 8. Joy Red Velvet 14.5M 9. Momo TWICE 13.3M 10. Seulgi Red Velvet 13M 11. Tzuyu TWICE 12.4M 12. Nayeon TWICE 11.8M 13. Irene Red Velvet 11.5M 14. Sana TWICE 11.1M 15. Yeri Red Velvet 10.9M 16. Jihyo TWICE 9.9M 17. Wonyoung IVE 9.76M 18. Chaeyoung TWICE 9.72M 19. Sakura LESSERAFIM 9.4M 20. Mina TWICE 9.3M 21. Hwasa Mamamoo 9.1M 22. Dahyun TWICE 8.9M 23. Seohyun SNSD 8.1M 24. Hyeri Girl’s Day 8M 25. Jeongyeon TWICE 8M 26. Yuqi G-IDLE 8.02M 27. Wendy Red Velvet 7.9M 28. Sooyoung SNSD 7.7M 29. Chaewon LESSERAFIM 7.6M 30. Yunjin LESSERAFIM 7.3M Wonyoung the highest 4th gen female here also imagine if the Twice girlies had their accounts opened since the beginning 1
lgaga1fan Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, applestar said: LMAO. International distribution deals?? In second gen?? Pre-BTS? The only "international" deal was to JAPAN and CHINA. This is literally why Twice has Japanese members and EXO had Chinese members, despite Korea's horrible history with those countries. Wonder Girls literally flopped after Nobody, this is well known. this is why JYP was always scared of expanding West, because Wonder Girls literally gave SNSD and T-ARA and opening by doing that. SNSD has a higher annual revenue now because there are just more kpop fans who entered thanks to BTS and BP (YOU). Yes, they are worldwide, because Hallyu is worldwide (and not just PSY) anymore STOP THE LARPING!!! Its embarrassing!! Im talking about 3rd gen and RED VELVET (a talking point you ******* brought up but are too dense to check and verify despite bringing it up). Twice & Blackpink have been signed to US labels for YEARS, RV hasn't. RV was actively stifled to make way for a more global group which is what aespa is meant to serve as. Wonder Girls made music in English and had distribution through American labels. BoA had a push in the US marker LONG before groups like BTS and Exo even debuted, and distribution deals in Japan much earlier. Acting like Kpop wasnt attempting to break into the US/International marketpalce outside of Asia and that there weren't active progressive steps to doing so is extremely incredulous. Wonder girls did not ******* flop after Nobody. They toured the world and had SEVERAL successful singles in Korea. Even their disbanding single went #1 on Gaon despite them being completely over at that point. I'm not the one LARPing when you can go and ******* read the chart numbers and single sales for yourself. YOURE larping by never coming in here and engaging with us, only to come and start fighting over your own righteous stance of being "around" longer than us. Your stan goggles have clouded you to the point where you cant even recognize Wonder Girls active success (especially given the generation they were in). SNSD "higher revenue" sentence doesn't make any grammatical sense. If you took any ******* time to read my reply instead of being entirely reactionary and dense you'd read that I said this: 19 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said: their acts are touring WORLDWIDE, theyre acts are selling more albums than they ever have. Same goes for every Kpop company rn. The industry is growing rapidly in consumption habits. You're attempting to strawman me and other users into here into being completely invalid in our discourse on topics that have verifiable evidence behind them despite never being active in this thread. Its very obvious and boring. We have much more interesting conversations in here about male idols armpits than whatever "discourse? you're trying to enlighten us on. 1 1
Sheep Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sheegs said: Onehallyu's predecessor Hallyu8 was a kii and before that which was 6theory was even more of a kii. Stans were so unhinged back then. 6Theory and all of its offshoots(allkpop) are owned by a sexual predator and I pray the day comes that the owner's servers are raided by the FBI for the child abuse that happened on their forums and I've been waiting over 10 years for Ailee to get revenge on them too. Edited October 15, 2023 by Sheep 3
illia Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) Like mother, like daughter Edited October 15, 2023 by Flomik 3
Sheep Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 Takeaways from bozo the ELF interrupting our regularly schedule hag hours: SNSD always wins That fact has done serious mental damage to Ronald Reagan jr fans 1
Odette Violet Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) Speaking of IG KatarinaBluu clearing without solo gigs, heavy push, brand endorsements, payola etc. There are just no algebraic and scientific explanation why she's not being push when she could've/would've been easily the New Yoona of this Gen Edited October 15, 2023 by Odette Violet 2
CandyCoatedClouds Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 16 hours ago, Panda17 said: Is Hyein recognized as the weakest dancer by fans? That's kinda what this clip was telling me. 7 hours ago, Pluto2022 said: The way Enhypen are the newest of these groups, yet they're already up there with the big dogs. Who else is doing it like them? Nobody 4 hours ago, youresotoxic said: When did he clean up his image as a h*e that they're willing to release solo singles for him? 3 hours ago, DelRey said: They are the NOISE PRINT But I'm always wonder why most bg follow their sound If their songs flop in the charts everytime? They're just that impactul henny 2 hours ago, hallucinate said: I hate that Baddie isn't doing as well because Yujin shines in these types of concepts. 12 minutes ago, Sheegs said: Onehallyu's predecessor Hallyu8 was a kii and before that which was 6theory was even more of a kii. Stans were so unhinged back then. I miss when Onehallyu.com was popping. It's like a graveyard there now 😕
applestar Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, lgaga1fan said: Im talking about 3rd gen and RED VELVET (a talking point you ******* brought up but are too dense to check and verify despite bringing it up). Twice & Blackpink have been signed to US labels for YEARS, RV hasn't. RV was actively stifled to make way for a more global group which is what aespa is meant to serve as. Wonder Girls made music in English and had distribution through American labels. BoA had a push in the US marker LONG before groups like BTS and Exo even debuted, and distribution deals in Japan much earlier. Acting like Kpop wasnt attempting to break into the US/International marketpalce outside of Asia and that there weren't active progressive steps to doing so is extremely incredulous. Wonder girls did not ******* flop after Nobody. They toured the world and had SEVERAL successful singles in Korea. Even their disbanding single went #1 on Gaon despite them being completely over at that point. I'm not the one LARPing when you can go and ******* read the chart numbers and single sales for yourself. YOURE larping by never coming in here and engaging with us, only to come and start fighting over your own righteous stance of being "around" longer than us. Your stan goggles have clouded you to the point where you cant even recognize Wonder Girls active success (especially given the generation they were in). SNSD "higher revenue" sentence doesn't make any grammatical sense. If you took any ******* time to read my reply instead of being entirely reactionary and dense you'd read that I said this: You're attempting to strawman me and other users into here into being completely invalid in our discourse on topics that have verifiable evidence behind them despite never being active in this thread. Its very obvious and boring. We have much more interesting conversations in here about male idols armpits than whatever "discourse? you're trying to enlighten us on. Red Velvet and Aespa weren't even thought out, they were debuted when other girl groups had scandals Dating with Tyler Kwon revealed: Mar 12, 2014 Jessica and Krystal TV series ends: Aug 5, 2014 B&E established (funded by Tyler Kwon): August 9, 2014 Red Velvet debuts: August 1, 2014 Wendy breaks pelvis and arm: Dec 26, 2019 (hiatus until 2021) Irene shoe scandal: Oct 21, 2020 Aespa debut: Nov 17, 2020 It takes months to choreograph, film a music video, and brand a group and SM releases groups when their main group has scandals, this is well known JYP says Wonder Girls advancement into USA didn't make any sense on MBC (aka a FLOP): Sep 14, 2013 2
hallucinate Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 the bob is extremely iconic and became her signature look but it’s nice to see her with long hair once in a while
lgaga1fan Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, applestar said: Red Velvet and Aespa weren't even thought out, they were debuted when other girl groups had scandals Dating with Tyler Kwon revealed: Mar 12, 2014 Jessica and Krystal TV series ends: Aug 5, 2014 B&E established (funded by Tyler Kwon): August 9, 2014 Red Velvet debuts: August 1, 2014 Wendy breaks pelvis and arm: Dec 26, 2019 (hiatus until 2021) Irene shoe scandal: Oct 21, 2020 Aespa debut: Nov 17, 2020 It takes months to choreograph, film a music video, and brand a group and SM releases groups when their main group has scandals, this is well known JYP says Wonder Girls advancement into USA didn't make any sense on MBC (aka a FLOP): Sep 14, 2013 You're arguing like three different points in a single post and its entirely incoherent. If you could take the time to format and communicate your thoughts clearly (abilities id assume youd have on a forum as a member for over a year and an alleged member of other fan forums for years), maybe we could have an actual conversation here. You keep bringing random stats + figures into arguments that I am not even referring to to make a point, and on top of that are taking quotes from the most RANDOM allkpop/soompi/other koreaboo forums to try and gag me. Im genuinely so confused by this conversation. 1
Sheep Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 Every kpop fan on planet earth knows RV was rushed out the door because of EXO scandals and had fuckall to do with jawsica jung. I guess we know why this troll is so desperate to accuse others of being uninformed new fans now 1
cloudbusting Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 I know I didn’t see someone bring up Hara in some petty stan bullsh!t on the last page or so absolute sewer-dwelling troglodyte behavior 1
applestar Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, lgaga1fan said: You're arguing like three different points in a single post and its entirely incoherent. If you could take the time to format and communicate your thoughts clearly (abilities id assume youd have on a forum as a member for over a year and an alleged member of other fan forums for years), maybe we could have an actual conversation here. You keep bringing random stats + figures into arguments that I am not even referring to to make a point, and on top of that are taking quotes from the most RANDOM allkpop/soompi/other koreaboo forums to try and gag me. Im genuinely so confused by this conversation. New kpop stans can't read apparently, it's even colorcoded You said that Red Velvet was stifled for Aespa, a group that the members and the lineup wasn't even present at the company at that time. Only until Irene was a monster and Wendy broke her bones, they released this underthought BP copy. If you paid attention to SM rookies, almost all the teased girls were not in aespa. And SM rookies was there for years You cannot stifle RV for aespa if aespa doesn't exist, and was only made to divert attention from their main visual yelling at a stylist My point was, neither RV or aespa was thought out. Even RVs concept, "the red" and "the velvet" fell apart within a couple of years. And OFC SM would not want to give RV a distribution deal; they debuted a year before Twice, and 2 years before BP, and they undersold both despite being the first group in an uncompetitive GG market (2NE1, SNSD, and WG inactive, T-ara dating scandals, KARA member issues)
applestar Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, cloudbusting said: I know I didn’t see someone bring up Hara in some petty stan bullsh!t on the last page or so absolute sewer-dwelling troglodyte behavior You didn't even know Hara or her group within the past few years, stop clutching your pearls, such narcissistic behavior And it was other people bringing up how unsuccessful 2nd generation girl groups are compared to SNSD. Well duh, some groups literally suffered tragedy and its stupid to compare them. I didn't bring that up. People who can't read and LARP as old kpop stans is narcissistic "trogolodyte" behavior. If you say SNSD stands on the heads of other 2nd gen girl groups, YES, you are bringing ALL 2nd gen girl groups, INCLUDING KARA and f(x) and even Ladies Code depending on who you ask
applestar Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sheep said: Every kpop fan on planet earth knows RV was rushed out the door because of EXO scandals and had fuckall to do with jawsica jung. I guess we know why this troll is so desperate to accuse others of being uninformed new fans now Explain the Tyler Kwon timeliine, AND why would they release a girl group for EXO, when girl groups UNDERSELL compared to boy groups LMAO EXO funds RV, and all the boy groups that you hate
Sailor Moon Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 The 'in this thriller, i'm the villain' line is so good too bad the song is mid
Sheep Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 How does this person even know I hate boy groups? Who's dupe is this.
cloudbusting Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 yeah im not arguing with someone trying to justify bringing up someone’s passing to a dumb stan argument about their faves another one for the ignore list and nothing of value is lost
Pluto6 Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: The way Enhypen are the newest of these groups, yet they're already up there with the big dogs. Who else is doing it like them? Nobody I've noticed something funny about ENGENES. They often emphasize ENHYPEN's status as the youngest/newest group, almost as if they're still rookies, even though it's been three years since their debut, and in any group lineup someone has to be the "newest" group, which can be everyone depending on the lineup. It's interesting to note that ENHYPEN and aespa made their debuts just two weeks apart and ENHYPEN only debuted 1 year after TXT. However, this emphasis on being rookies isn't as prevalent among fans of NewJeans, IVE, and LE SSERAFIM, who all debuted just last year. Like how long are Engenes gonna pull the "newest" card, cause ENHYPEN are already semi hags in Kpop years at this point. Edited October 15, 2023 by Pluto2022
applestar Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, cloudbusting said: yeah im not arguing with someone trying to justify bringing up someone’s passing to a dumb stan argument about their faves another one for the ignore list and nothing of value is lost Just say you can't read and typical Irene stan behavior, just like your idol
lgaga1fan Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, applestar said: New kpop stans can't read apparently, it's even colorcoded You said that Red Velvet was stifled for Aespa, a group that the members and the lineup wasn't even present at the company at that time. Only until Irene was a monster and Wendy broke her bones, they released this underthought BP copy. If you paid attention to SM rookies, almost all the teased girls were not in aespa. And SM rookies was there for years You cannot stifle RV for aespa if aespa doesn't exist, and was only made to divert attention from their main visual yelling at a stylist My point was, neither RV or aespa was thought out. Even RVs concept, "the red" and "the velvet" fell apart within a couple of years. And OFC SM would not want to give RV a distribution deal; they debuted a year before Twice, and 2 years before BP, and they undersold both despite being the first group in an uncompetitive GG market (2NE1, SNSD, and WG inactive, T-ara dating scandals, KARA member issues) They were. The second they had a scandal SM rushed aespa out after having them on the backburner for months. A year before that Capitol records wanted to sign Red Velvet and SM denied the request. ‘뮤콘 2019’ 니콜 프란츠 “슈퍼엠 프로젝트? 해외서 K팝 성장 가능성 봤다” - 스타투데이 (mk.co.kr) Instead they pushed NCT/SuperM in the Us and left RV to promote in Korea where they would go on hiatus bc of Wendys injury (a point that you were able to communicate poorly in your attempt). I shouldn't have to educate such a longtime fan of the group Red Velvet on this simple fact now should I. It's not a coincidence that aespa cosigned with a US label a year after debut, and its not a coincidence that every 3rd gen group onward at SM has had some sort of US distribution deal. SM knew they had a girl group ready to debut and wanted to push them worldwide and that's what's been happening. Ningning, Winter and Karina were ALL at the company and Giselle was cast in 2019 and they began finalizing the lineup for a debut. Black Mamba's MV was shot in late 2019/early 2020 before getting reshot before their debut later that year. SM Rookies was not ALL of the trainees. Im sure such an educated stan as yourself who has been a long time fan would know this information but you clearly dont. Here's a LOVELY Koreaboo article that details this process since you're clearly incapable of using popular web browsers like "Google", or "Bing". Aespa Get Real About Why They Didn’t Think They Would Get To Debut When They Were Trainees - Koreaboo Red Velvet consistently bags highs streams and domestic hits despite having much lower production budget than their peers. They have songs eligible for gold certs in the US and have some of the highest streams in their company. They quite literally peaked less than 12 months before aespa debuted with Psycho (a song that charted all year and made the Gaon year end chart for 2020) and that year (2019) could have been a watershed moment for them to have a global push, especially considering ALL of them resigned to the company. SM consistently printed less albums than RV was selling (and continue to to this day) They were collaborating with US artists like Ellie Goulding and John Legend. It's not a stretch to say that they could have had a Global push and were actively stifled in that approach for a new group (clearly aespa) to come in. SM (and all kpop companies) are run by men who have shown their ass in promoting multiple female groups simultaneously. Its very obvious what happened and just because you can't see past your own logic doesn't mean its a conspiracy or nonexistent theory. aespa's debut was entirely thought out and had a wealth of literal lore attached to it and they continually release music from pre-debut eras as their TITLE TRACKS. The only title track of theirs that is not an English single from that batch of demos is Girls, which was an NCT demo. Their group was very obviously planned and they have had several writing camp sessions and marketing sessions to form an identity, an identity that has proceeded through ALL of their comebacks. So, what can we learn from this post that I've coherently written? You clearly don't have a grasp on what youre talking about despite attempting to have a "conversation" and are out of youre ******* league here. Stop speaking on **** you clearly know NOTHING about. I wish I could speak so boldly and loudly on topics like you do without doing more than a simple google search to fact check my bullshit and start fights with people in here. Go back to the discord you crawled out of. I'm done engaging with you on this fine Sunday afternoon. Edited October 15, 2023 by lgaga1fan 2 1
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