Adama Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, getinthezone said: you realise they debuted like less then a year ago? just because she said that doesnt mean she has to **** over her record company immediately she still has a contract and they clearly arent allowed to talk about it And ? I’m not the one who said that I want to change the idol industry and are singing about the haters and their standarts when the one who should be blamed first is these Kpop companies ? I’m not the one who is singing and have a whole image about being fearless when clearly I’m not lol? 3 minutes ago, TasteOfYourLips said: Honestly you need to switch a music genre because this is what k-pop, 90% manufactured. And why are the girls supposed to fight for Garam when it's a fact that she got a high-level bullying punishment and even her own mother didn't defend her at that time? Just because Garam's 'friend' came out with a statement defending her after she got kicked out doesn't mean Garam is innocent and the statement was true. It's another collective fan dementia case like with Soojin 'Soojin is innocent because her lawyer came out with a statement she is innocent' when in fact the police ruled there was no defamation from her victims Once again I don’t understand why you are saying that we asked her to fight for Garam? Where did I said that? 4 minutes ago, Butters said: First of all, the “I want to change the idol industry” clip was filmed and released pre debut, not during the documentary. I didn’t know predicting and saving a band mate from a bullying scandal was a prerequisite for saying something like that. Andy why are you trying to tell us what Yunjin should be making music about? It’s not like singing about netizen hate detracts from the company’s responsibilities. I mean damn become an investigative kpop reporter and find out yourself cause you sure as hell are not getting that info from an existing member’s own music that she did all by herself. you’re clearly missing the point since you keep talking about defending and saving Garam. Her message is just performative, If she want to properly adress the issues with the haters, she should start with these companies. For exemple, they are the one who asked her to be cautious on her weight first, not the online haters. But she won’t since she herself is following these standards.
Adama Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, DelRey said: The essays/fights about a song that isn't even charting and nobody gives a f%ck I mean if you want we can talk about this Idk what is funnier the saltiness on the quotes or the gap
getinthezone Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Adama said: And ? I’m not the one who said that I want to change the idol industry and are singing about the haters and their standarts when the one who should be blamed first is these Kpop companies ? I’m not the one who is singing and have a whole image about being fearless when clearly I’m not lol? Once again I don’t understand why you are saying that we asked her to fight for Garam? Where did I said that? you’re clearly missing the point since you keep talking about defending and saving Garam. Her message is just performative, If she want to properly adress the issues with the haters, she should start with these companies. For exemple, they are the one who asked her to be cautious on her weight first, not the online haters. But she won’t since she herself is following these standards. are you dense? i never said you are the one. youre giving major kpop twitter stan vibes
Butters Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Adama said: And ? I’m not the one who said that I want to change the idol industry and are singing about the haters and their standarts when the one who should be blamed first is these Kpop companies ? I’m not the one who is singing and have a whole image about being fearless when clearly I’m not lol? Once again I don’t understand why you are saying that we asked her to fight for Garam? Where did I said that? you’re clearly missing the point since you keep talking about defending and saving Garam. Her message is just performative, If she want to properly adress the issues with the haters, she should start with these companies. For exemple, they are the one who asked her to be cautious on her weight first, not the online haters. But she won’t since she herself is following these standards. Firstly, all of kpop is performative. But she absolutely did put a lot of her own work into her song, and said what she wanted to say on it. Putting a half a year old rookie on the hook for dismantling all the systemic wrongs in the industry because she said she wanted “to change the kpop industry” is crazy. She put out a sweet lil tweet for pride and is continuing to put out her own music and art. As a kpop consumer I don’t understand how you expect more Edited January 9, 2023 by Butters
AxelFox Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, TasteOfYourLips said: Honestly you need to switch a music genre because this is what k-pop, 90% manufactured. And why are the girls supposed to fight for Garam when it's a fact that she got a high-level bullying punishment and even her own mother didn't defend her at that time? Just because Garam's 'friend' came out with a statement defending her after she got kicked out doesn't mean Garam is innocent and the statement was true. It's another collective fan dementia case like with Soojin 'Soojin is innocent because her lawyer came out with a statement she is innocent' when in fact the police ruled there was no defamation from her victims Dementia is the herd mentality in the Kpop community and everyone running around with bs, as exemplified by your own post. Garam's friend did not come out with a statement defending her, it was Garam herself. And it wasn't a 'statement' claiming she's innocent, she posted the actual School Violence Report which detailed all the happenings, confirming HYBE's side of the story that she was not a bully and just cursed at a colleague who commited sexual assault to another friend of hers.
DelRey Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Adama said: I mean if you want we can talk about this Idk what is funnier the saltiness on the quotes or the gap Now is NewJeans vs Every Fandom I knew there was something fishy about NJ spotify numbers, but the songs are great so who cares.
Butters Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 >a member of a group was involved in a bullying case, it blew up and she left the group, therefore, it’s wrong for the group to continue singing about confidence and empowerment what even is this terrible logic why do kpop groups sing about love when they largely aren’t allowed to love? why do any groups put out empowerment music when misogyny and men run the entire industry? do we really want to go down that rabbit hole
Adama Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Butters said: Firstly, all of kpop is performative. But she absolutely did put a lot of her own work into her song, and said what she wanted to say on it. Putting a half a year old rookie on the hook for dismantling all the systemic wrongs in the industry because she said she wanted “to change the kpop industry” is crazy. She put out a sweet lil tweet for pride and is continuing to put out her own music. As a kpop consumer I don’t understand how you expect more I wouldn’t have expected more if they weren’t marketed the way they currently are and if their fans weren’t acting like what she did was such a brave move. Maybe on their next songs 8 minutes ago, getinthezone said: are you dense? i never said you are the one. youre giving major kpop twitter stan vibes Eww just bc i’m giving an opinion that you don’t agree with, mean than you can associate me with these twitter Stans
Adama Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, DelRey said: Now is NewJeans vs Every Fandom I knew there was something fishy about NJ spotify numbers, but the songs are great so who cares. The Dula Peep of Kpop are here! When they sign under Dula label and occupy every playlists of Spotify it’s over for everyone
ariesgroove Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) respectfully y’all knew garam for like 3 minutes i need y’all to move on Edited January 9, 2023 by ariesgroove
lily42 Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Adama said: I mean if you want we can talk about this Idk what is funnier the saltiness on the quotes or the gap Of course, NWJNS playlisting reach is higher at the moment. They just made the comeback while some acts in this list haven't had a comeback for several months. Let's not act like Ditto didn't have huge streams on the first and second day before they pushed playlisting. It was already sitting in Top15 before TTH and some other big playlists came through as well and in general Top50 Global entry guarantees huge reach itself. ADOR knows where people actually stream music and which platform leads the industry, so they spend money where it actually matters. Why is majority of quotes from Stray Dogs fans? They have imaginary beef with HYBE. They wish their faves had as much playlisting reach as NWJNS has, but unfortunately their faves music are unlistenable garbage and no one wants them in big playlists. Sane people skip it anyways
Butters Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Adama said: I wouldn’t have expected more if they weren’t marketed the way they currently are and if their fans weren’t acting like what she did was such a brave move. Maybe on their next songs Eww just bc i’m giving an opinion that you don’t agree with, mean than you can associate me with these twitter Stans Of course the stans are gonna hype up their faves output. I agree the reactions I’ve seen on my tl have been a lil corny but it’s mostly just been Fearnots congratulating Yunjin and saying her song had a great message l And Antifragile as a concept/song was chosen pre debut so yes we’ll see what direction they go for their 2nd comeback
Witnessed ET Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dialamba said: Who said they deserved to be blamed. They said they didn’t stand up for garam and apparently she was the victim which is worse Do you really expect a bunch of young girls who have recently just debuted under a contract with the company stand up against the same company? What did you think the consequences would have been? Would they have said “oh wow Yunjin is right, we should keep Garam”? 1 hour ago, Adama said: Once again no one asked Yujin to fight to clear Garam name. First of all, I said that her song was performative bc she’s calling the haters but don’t mention the one who’s also part of the problem: the Kpop companies like Hybe. Who are the one who keep pushing these industry standards. Secondly, I talked about her comment about how she wanted to change the idol industry, fine then start with your own group. Be transparent, explain how u experienced it all, why did your company deleted every scenes of Garam on your documentary, why did you reshoot some scenes, why are u acting like she never existed and you weren’t a group of 6 members? If you’re not capable to do that, then don’t say that you want to change the idol industry bc clearly you don’t have the guts to do it, which is also fine since no one asked you to change anything. this whole discussion started because you were offended by Yunjin’s lyrics which might have been about her very own experiences too. So please stop with this “I’m not blaming the girls” bs. Are you forgetting she’s a rookie? Garam’s battle is not Yunjin’s to fight, ESPECIALLY not when she’s a rookie and is not in control, she can’t even if she wants to. Why are people suddenly being so dense? Yes she said she wants to change the idol industry, but you KNOW that can only happen once you’ve established yourself in the industry and have that certain level of high profile or position right? You can’t expect her to be Malala right off the bat. Edited January 9, 2023 by Witnessed ET
Zack Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dark Horse said: >a member of a group was falsely accused of bullying, the company ultimately gave into netizens to protect their profits, terminated her contract, while the group continues to preach female empowerment. why do you feel the need to oversimplify the whole situation regarding the unjust takedown of a woman? Why is this all the members' problem though? It was HYBE that messed up by not background checking Garam and then they totally botched the media management when the scandal blew up. Despite rapidly becoming a major company, they exposed their inexperience in dealing with this kind of thing. Like any K-Pop agency, HYBE is controlling everything (for better or worse) and the members are just carrying out their contract as required. At the most, the members could have influenced HYBE to remove Garam by complaining, but considering the evidence out there that Garam *did* commit some wrongdoing, they could be justified for complaining. It was damaging everyone's image. I don't even stan LSF but this situation is obvious. Of course we don't know everything backstage, but it doesn't seem like one where the members were jealous of her or forced her out. They'd only just started out, so there was nothing to be jealous of....and it wouldn't be in anyone's benefit to cause this mess on purpose anyway.
Adama Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said: this whole discussion started because you were offended by Yunjin’s lyrics which might have been about her very own experiences too. So please stop with this “I’m not blaming the girls” bs. Are you forgetting she’s a rookie? Garam’s battle is not Yunjin’s to fight, ESPECIALLY not when she’s a rookie and is not in control, she can’t even if she wants to. Why are people suddenly being so dense? Yes she said she wants to change the idol industry, but you KNOW that can only happen once you’ve established yourself in the industry and have that certain level of high profile or position right? You can’t expect her to be Malala right off the bat. Giving an opinion about a song freshly released is being offended now? Once again why are your talking about Garam fights when I never said that Yujin should defend her? I discussed about her lyrics, then LSRFM image being performative, then someone responded that Source music was very transparent with the way they managed them, which is clearly not the case.
Gaia Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) Some of y’all are such snowflakes nnn Criticizing lyrics to a self composed song is completely valid and doesn’t warrant the faux outrage Edited January 9, 2023 by Gaia
Mix'em Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 So if I understand everything, 21-years old Yunjin has to endure netizens' hate because Garam was kicked out of the group ? Y'all cant be serious now.
Adama Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, Butters said: And Antifragile as a concept/song was chosen pre debut so yes we’ll see what direction they go for their 2nd comeback honestly idc about their whole fearless/ antifragile concept but they need to keep the reggaeton/tropical sound and serve us these type of slayage 15 minutes ago, lily42 said: Of course, NWJNS playlisting reach is higher at the moment. They just made the comeback while some acts in this list haven't had a comeback for several months. Let's not act like Ditto didn't have huge streams on the first and second day before they pushed playlisting. It was already sitting in Top15 before TTH and some other big playlists came through as well and in general Top50 Global entry guarantees huge reach itself. ADOR knows where people actually stream music and which platform leads the industry, so they spend money where it actually matters. Why is majority of quotes from Stray Dogs fans? They have imaginary beef with HYBE. They wish their faves had as much playlisting reach as NWJNS has, but unfortunately their faves music are unlistenable garbage and no one wants them in big playlists. Sane people skip it anyways I think SK Stans on twitter are mad af since NJ broke all their records in less time and are obviously going to be bigger which is not what SK stans though when BTS was put on hiatus…
Butters Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Dark Horse said: >a member of a group was falsely accused of bullying, the company ultimately gave into netizens to protect their profits, terminated her contract, while the group continues to preach female empowerment. why do you feel the need to oversimplify the whole situation regarding the unjust takedown of a woman? The facts on record are that she did get together in a group, cornered a girl and yelled at her (no matter how justifiable it was) for several hours and got a level 5 punishment stamped on her record. I feel like your beef should be with the Korean school bullying justice system and the public at large, not the group itself. nothing in their lyrics or concept is explicitly “justice for falsely accused middle school bullies” so I still fail to see how them singing about very universal and simple messages about empowerment and tenacity is morally bankrupt like you seem to see, but ok.
Witnessed ET Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Adama said: Giving an opinion about a song freshly released is being offended now? Once again why are your talking about Garam fights when I never said that Yujin should defend her? I discussed about her lyrics, then LSRFM image being performative, then someone responded that Source music was very transparent with the way they managed them, which is clearly not the case. Your long ass post ranting about her and the song was perfectly self-explanatory. You didn’t have to spell it out. 5 minutes ago, Mix'em said: So if I understand everything, 21-years old Yunjin has to endure netizens' hate because Garam was kicked out of the group ? Y'all cant be serious now. exactly like Edited January 9, 2023 by Witnessed ET
Zack Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, aesthetic bih said: It's Winter's era again, isn't it? Cuz look how much she served in this Also I was questioning SM's strategy of waiting 2 weeks before releasing Stamp on It. But I get it now, since the song is not instant, it's a GROWER. I love the song even more than when I first heard it. Yeah Winter ate this up I fear. The face paint and the camo stockings are giving me a lil' f(x) Red Light era too which I love. OT: On the release strategy, I'm not really sure about it tbh. I feel like 16 days is still too long to have waited, even if there's an MV this time. I have no idea what the chart performance will be like, because I've not really seen SM do this huge gap release thing much before. The song is a major major grower though
Butters Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gaia said: Some of y’all are such snowflakes nnn Criticizing lyrics to a self composed song is completely valid and doesn’t warrant the faux outrage Please quote a lyrical analysis that was done for I=/=Doll. posts attacking Yunjin and LE SSERAFIM for being fake are not lyrical criticism I don’t even like the song myself so…
lily42 Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Adama said: I think SK Stans on twitter are mad af since NJ broke all their records in less time and are obviously going to be bigger which is not what SK stans though when BTS was put on hiatus… Makes sense. Some quotes are literally implying that HYBE is doing it on purpose to beat SKZ. Stan twitter is too unserious I believe IVE and LSRFM will also pull big streams next comeback given how well After Like and Antifragile did/are doing. So NJ won't be the only group beating them. RIP.
Adama Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said: Your long ass post ranting about her and the song was perfectly self-explanatory. You didn’t have to spell it out. exactly like So I can’t give an opinion about a song release now? Also you should be the last one talking about « long ass post ranting » Seriously
K$Ellie Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 some of y'all are acting like you just got into kpop yesterday, expecting members to speak out against their companies or purposely involving themselves in scandals
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