base talk What era did Beyonce become bigger than Britney?

[Mystic Boy]

2 hours ago, Eternium said:

#43. Britney Spears - 108,644,000

#64. Beyonce - 85,950,000

 

Good luck to the Spirit songstress.

DIL outsold ITZ

Bday Outsold Blackout 

IASF outsold Circus

4 outsold FF

and the list goes on

Stay mad and keep clinging to her first  2 albums for dear life 

 

 

2 hours ago, JonginBey said:

 

 

1 hour ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

Funny for years and years Britney Stan’s would say Beyoncé was her peer always enlisted her and always compared but since she has surpassed Britney, now they say “you can’t compare them”, … Chile take this L and go the gap will only continue to grow..

Right ? they aint slick

 

 

1 hour ago, karron0624 said:

Why are the army and hive fighting. Y'all above this as each respective female is miles above the next closest female. Ley the Legends breath.

Since when are you on this forum ?

[dirrtydiana]

1 hour ago, Mystic Boy said:

DIL outsold ITZ

Bday Outsold Blackout 

IASF outsold Circus

4 outsold FF

and the list goes on

Stay mad and keep clinging to her first  2 albums for dear life 

Completely erases Britney’s THREE albums and proceeds to list Beyoncé’s first 3 albums 

The logic

Edited May 18, 2022 by dirrtydiana
1,2,3 not only you and

[Xtianlofbritney]

Firstly she would need to match the sales of the two first Britney albums…and that would never happen. So no…never 

[dirrtydiana]

6 minutes ago, Xtianlofbritney said:

Firstly she would need to match the sales of the two first Britney albums…and that would never happen. So no…never 

We all know the hive doesn’t play fair. They’ll compare Beyoncé’s 2013 peak with Britney’s lowest point in 2013 and run with it

 

that or completely erase not her first 2 but her first three albums just to make Beyoncé look better

[Mystic Boy]

22 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Completely erases Britney’s THREE albums and proceeds to list Beyoncé’s first 3 albums 

The logic

 

12 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

We all know the hive doesn’t play fair. They’ll compare Beyoncé’s 2013 peak with Britney’s lowest point in 2013 and run with it

 

that or completely erase not her first 2 but her first three albums just to make Beyoncé look better

We're comparing albums that were released during the same sales climate smarty

By your logic you would compare Oops sales to Future Sex/Love sound ones just because tHey WeRe tHeir sEcOnD aLbUmS ? the logic indeed

Beyoncé has been outselling Britney ever since CIL intro hit the waves

Edited May 18, 2022 by Mystic Boy

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, Mystic Boy said:

 

We're comparing albums that were released during the same sales climate smarty

By your logic you would compare Oops sales to Future Sex/Love sound ones just because tHey WeRe tHeir sEcOnD aLbUmS ? the logic indeed

How convenient. Ok! remember that logic next time y’all claim DC’s sales for Bey

 

[abeille]

19 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Completely erases Britney’s THREE albums and proceeds to list Beyoncé’s first 3 albums 

The logic

 

19 minutes ago, Xtianlofbritney said:

Firstly she would need to match the sales of the two first Britney albums…and that would never happen. So no…never 

As a solo artist, Beyoncé debuted at the start of the digital era. It's definitely fair seeing as those albums were released in the same sales climate. Britney's first 2 albums were released at the height of the physical era, and sales hadn't started dwindling yet. But for impartiality (as you guys say) we can add in DC's albums that were released closer to BOMT/Oops to Beyoncé's total if you want. 

 

The OP is asking when did Beyoncé become bigger than Britney, and the logical answer is from the moment she debuted.

[lestat111]

beyonce was always bigger then britney. I dont like beyonce, but she has talent for singing and performing, and we cant say the same for other girl.

[swissman]

3 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

We all know the hive doesn’t play fair. They’ll compare Beyoncé’s 2013 peak with Britney’s lowest point in 2013 and run with it

 

that or completely erase not her first 2 but her first three albums just to make Beyoncé look better

I believe the comparison was not meant to exclude her first three albums, but to compare the success of those released around the same time, since those compared were either from the same year, or just one apart. 

Comparing it by number doesn't exactly create a fair picture either though, as if we were to compare fourth albums (ITZ and 4) there is a difference of 8 years, a span in which album sales significantly dropped for everyone, Britney included. Instead, one might include DC in Beyoncé's overall albums tally which would make DIL Beyoncé's "fourth" studio album released in her career but I'm sure you wouldn't like that either.

 

The fact of the matter is, there is no purely fair way to compare. If there is, suggest it.

[JustHoran]

Never lmao

[JustHoran]

3 minutes ago, lestat111 said:

beyonce was always bigger then britney. I dont like beyonce, but she has talent for singing and performing, and we cant say the same for other girl.

That is not true, but thank you for showing your age. You clearly were not around during Britney's peak.

[TheRealGâteau]

9 hours ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

She been outdoing Britney since 01.

I'm embarrassed for Britney Spears and her fans.

 

OT: The second she released Crazy in Love

[lestat111]

4 minutes ago, JustHoran said:

That is not true, but thank you for showing your age. You clearly were not around during Britney's peak.

what? I was 18 during her peak. She is just cute girl with no actual talent and with huge machine behind her. 

[Mythology]

Since Crazy in Love

Tbh Beyoncé deserves to be bigger than Britney. She’s one of the most talented artists and Britney is famous for being pretty

Edited May 18, 2022 by Mythology

[swissman]

It seems there can be two ways to look at assessing the "bigness" of an artist compared to another:

1. By comparing where they are at certain moments. ie. one artist is having a stretch of popularity greater than another
2. By comparing where they are in their overall careers ie. one artist has greater culminative stats and legacy

 

Definitely if using option #1, Beyoncé can 100% be said to have become "bigger" than Britney over time, with continued and impactful success from the late 1990s (or early 2000s solo) to the late 2010s where she achieved a mix of success, notoriety, acclaim, and general appreciation few other popstars have seen.

 

If using option #2, it can be a bit more debatable as you're adding together entire careers worth of stats and achievements. There really are few popstars with as huge a lock on pop culture as Britney had from 1999-2007, and its hard to argue that even with Beyoncé's many cultural touchstones over the years and the fact that Beyoncé's been one of the most reliable and inescapable forces in pop (DC being the Top Artist of the Year for both 2000 and 20001, Irreplaceable being the Year-End #1 song of 2007, Beyoncé named as Billboards Decade-End #1 Female Artist [without even adding DC in], etc.) that she ever occupied a position like Britney did in the early 2000s. Looking only at sales (forgetting Britney released 3 albums before Beyoncé released even one and has released a total of 3 more overall) then Britney definitely takes that.

 

BUT Beyoncé has also built up her career with every era and solidified her place in the industry in such a way that she's not just associated to her success, but also as a talented and important star, a creative force whose name inspires awe and is used across many industries to mean excellence and achievement. This cannot be understated, as it relates to the "scope" of who she is, and the impact and size of her as an artist that the general feels. At the end of the day, the GP doesn't know how much anyone sold. It's an artist's overall legacy that makes them feel "big" or "small."

 

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by swissman

[dirrtydiana]

20 minutes ago, abeille said:

 

As a solo artist, Beyoncé debuted at the start of the digital era. It's definitely fair seeing as those albums were released in the same sales climate. Britney's first 2 albums were released at the height of the physical era, and sales hadn't started dwindling yet. But for impartiality (as you guys say) we can add in DC's albums that were released closer to BOMT/Oops to Beyoncé's total if you want. 

 

The OP is asking when did Beyoncé become bigger than Britney, and the logical answer is from the moment she debuted.

So in conclusion: she didn’t.

 

Or if you please, we can ad an asterisk.

 

”Beyoncé surpassed Britney during DiL/ITZ era*
 

*if we completely disregarded Britney’s first 3”

 

18 minutes ago, swissman said:

I believe the comparison was not meant to exclude her first three albums, but to compare the success of those released around the same time, since those compared were either from the same year, or just one apart. 

Comparing it by number doesn't exactly create a fair picture either though, as if we were to compare fourth albums (ITZ and 4) there is a difference of 8 years, a span in which album sales significantly dropped for everyone, Britney included. Instead, one might include DC in Beyoncé's overall albums tally which would make DIL Beyoncé's "fourth" studio album released in her career but I'm sure you wouldn't like that either.

 

The fact of the matter is, there is no purely fair way to compare. If there is, suggest it.

Love your reads, always bring in facts and I might even dare say impartial

 

unlike mystic boy who is obviously biased and even a borderline bey hater or at least his posts give off the that vibe.

 

i agree, there’s no real fair way to compare. At the end of the day they’re both two of the biggest stars ever 

[Broken]

Since Crazy in Love.

[abeille]

10 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

So in conclusion: she didn’t.

 

Or if you please, we can ad an asterisk.

 

”Beyoncé surpassed Britney during DiL/ITZ era*
 

*if we completely disregarded Britney’s first 3”

 

Love your reads, always bring in facts and I might even dare say impartial

 

unlike mystic boy who is obviously biased and even a borderline bey hater or at least his posts give off the that vibe.

 

i agree, there’s no real fair way to compare. At the end of the day they’re both two of the biggest stars ever 

There are various metrics that measure how big an artist is. If you're asking whether Britney's peak was bigger, the answer is unmistakable: very few artists (if any) have come close to her commercial peak from 1998 to the early 2000s. We shouldn't disregard Beyoncé's consistency and success spanning 3 decades either though. As the two legends of their generation they both have areas they excel in.

[By the Water]

Since always. Crazy how Britney debuted only 4 years before Beyoncé went solo but was already fading by that time

[Xtianlofbritney]

2 minutes ago, By the Water said:

Since always. Crazy how Britney debuted only 4 years before Beyoncé went solo but was already fading by that time

Britney debuted in 1998. Beyoncé went solo 5-6 years later.

[dirrtydiana]

3 minutes ago, abeille said:

There are various metrics that measure how big an artist is. If you're asking whether Britney's peak was bigger, the answer is unmistakable: very few artists (if any) have come close to her commercial peak from 1998 to the early 2000s. We shouldn't disregard Beyoncé's consistency and success spanning 3 decades either though. As the two legends of their generation they both have areas they excel in.

I cannot disagree 

[Jjang]

Around Sasha tbh. 

[BILLIONAIRE✘BOY]

8 hours ago, Girls5eva said:

Why compare soundtracks and last singles, so arbitrary,  just look at all time charts since this is about overall career 

 

BB HOT 100 All Time: 

 

Bey - 40 

DC - 90 

Brit - OUT 

 

 

Nsjssjs 

[sasashite]

The lack of intelligence on this thread. 

They're talking about career overall, not during each era. Otherwise Ariana would be bigger than Madonna and Mariah, given that Ari outsells these two ladies since her debut in 2013.

 

OT: During self-titled era.

[Homebrand]

10 hours ago, Robyn. said:

This analogy never made any sense.  

 

How does comparing Beyoncé's DEBUT album to Britney's FOURTH makes any sense?  

 

Beyoncé was bigger than Britney in the 10s decade for sure though.

Well the thread question was when did Beyonce become bigger than Britney, not what era Beyonce surpassed Britney career wise. Reading is comprehension sis.