discussion Terrorist-state Israel attacks journalists funeral

[Jjang]

8 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

 

Attacking other people is NOT okay. Ever.
 

The situation was a mess with all the clashes with the police and stuff, and I’m sure there were better ways to handle the situation without invading the mosque.

 

But are y’all really comparing tear gas and rubber-coated bullets to rockets? Are y’all ******* insane? 

You do realize innocent people became spineless and others lost their eyesight / had some serious brain fractures because of the Al Aqsa military raid this Ramadan right?  Plus it was during Ramadan on like the second holiest sight in Islam on the planet. It’s a rightfully provoking act. 

[Bosque]

20 minutes ago, Jjang said:

 The size in damage is nowhere near close. The Iron Dome effectively shuts down like 95% of those rockets or minimizes damage.

Well Palestinians don’t have an Iron Dome but their population is still growing. We all know what would happen to the population of Israel if they didn’t have the Iron Dome. 

[ZeroSuitBritney]

1 minute ago, Dephira said:

Well Palestinians don’t have an Iron Dome but their population is still growing. We all know what would happen to the population of Israel if they didn’t have the Iron Dome. 

Look. At. The. Death. Toll.

[Rodrighost]

1 minute ago, Dephira said:

Well Palestinians don’t have an Iron Dome but their population is still growing. We all know what would happen to the population of Israel if they didn’t have the Iron Dome. 

what is dis hunny

[Nano]

46 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

The fact that we have ATRL members being so bold supporting Zionists their terrorist gov and even become genocide apologists 

Stop using the term genocide. Genocide is when a population is being systematically killed. The Palestinian and the Israeli-Arab population is growing and has never stopped growing. If Israel was the neo-Nazi government people seem to think they are, they wouldn't have allowed that to happen.

[Bosque]

5 minutes ago, ZeroSuitBritney said:

Look. At. The. Death. Toll.

Because of the Iron Dome. As I said in my post. Sometimes literally thousands of rockets are shot at Israel within weeks. Totally indiscriminately. To justify that by saying “well they have the iron dome so it’s fine!” Is disgusting. 

 

[ProudLBS]

1 minute ago, ZeroSuitBritney said:

When the tear gas and rubber-coated bullets and batons can actually do more damage than shitty homemade rockets that will literally get nowhere due to the Iron Dome defense system, then yes. And then Israel fires back rockets which are 100% guaranteed to take out innocent civilians, targeting places they know rockets aren't even coming from. Baby go look at the death tolls. You're not winning this argument. You never will. You know what Israel is doing for decades now is evil, you just don't care. You love seeing innocent Arabs being attacked, shot, killed, harassed, and evicted without choice. You fully support the genocide going on.

 

Anyways, enjoy your pathetic, racist, Zionist life. I bet you bust a load every time Israel fires a rocket.

“shitty homemade rockets” that have pierced through walls and killed people?

 

The unfortunate death toll just means Gaza’s defense system (or lack thereof) is crap. Another reason why they shouldn’t fire rockets at civilians.

 

Believe it or not, I just want everyone to get along and for the whole mess to be solved

[State of Grace.]

Its giving "their population is still growing rapidly so it's fine if Israel is committing genocide"  

[ProudLBS]

12 minutes ago, Jjang said:

You do realize innocent people became spineless and others lost their eyesight / had some serious brain fractures because of the Al Aqsa military raid this Ramadan right?  Plus it was during Ramadan on like the second holiest sight in Islam on the planet. It’s a rightfully provoking act. 

I literally condemned the storming of the mosque in the post you quoted.

[Nano]

1 minute ago, State of Grace. said:

Its giving "their population is still growing rapidly so it's fine if Israel is committing genocide"  

State of Grace tries opening a dictionary challenge (impossible)

[CBC]

Is anyone actually surprised? 

[ZeroSuitBritney]

6 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Because of the Iron Dome. As I said in my post. Sometimes literally thousands of rockets are shot at Israel within weeks. Totally indiscriminately. To justify that by saying “well they have the iron dome so it’s fine!” Is disgusting. 

 

And then they fire rockets back at civilians knowing dozens if not hundreds will be killed. Targeting hospitals, mosques, schools, etc. Places they know aren't a threat. Justify that.

 

Again, Hamas never fires rockets just to fire rockets. They fire rockets as retaliation to violence by Israeli soldiers on Palestinian civilians for no reason. Is it smart to fire rockets? No. What else do you expect them to do? Just sit idly by and wait for more people to keep dying at the hands of Israeli brutality? No country is helping them. They are literally on their own.

[Kitty Kat]

11 minutes ago, Nano said:

State of Grace tries opening a dictionary challenge (impossible)

Sure we understand the Oxford and Collins interpretations of the word, but the United Nations Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect office denotes the following as the definition:

 

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

People that use the term genocide to refer to the current situation in Palestine are merely following the definition under Article II on the Genocide Convention.

[Nano]

3 minutes ago, Kitty Kat said:

People that use the term genocide to refer to the current situation in Palestine are merely following the definition under Article II on the Genocide Convention.

B is the only one that vaguely applies. And that part of the article is a complete joke. Might as well say all wars are genocidal.

[ZeroSuitBritney]

1 minute ago, Nano said:

B is the only one that vaguely applies. And that part of the article is a complete joke. Might as well say all wars are genocidal.

A. B, D all apply, and not vaguely. Maybe even C. But whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Nano]

Posting this yet again.

 

[State of Grace.]

Even a wall would understand by now 

[Bosque]

53 minutes ago, ZeroSuitBritney said:

And then they fire rockets back at civilians knowing dozens if not hundreds will be killed. Targeting hospitals, mosques, schools, etc. Places they know aren't a threat. Justify that.

 

Again, Hamas never fires rockets just to fire rockets. They fire rockets as retaliation to violence by Israeli soldiers on Palestinian civilians for no reason. Is it smart to fire rockets? No. What else do you expect them to do? Just sit idly by and wait for more people to keep dying at the hands of Israeli brutality? No country is helping them. They are literally on their own.

And Israel doesn’t fire rockets just to fire rockets. Has Israel killed civilians? Sure and you can call that a tragedy, a war crime, whatever you like. But unlike Hamas they actually go out of their way to ensure that all potential civilian targets are evacuated from the area. It would probably help if Hamas didn’t use civilians as shields or purposefully installed their bases in schools, mosques and hospitals. And unlike Hamas, Israel does not pay monetary compensation to Israeli citizens who murder Palestinian civilians.

Edited May 13, 2022 by Dephira

[ClashAndBurn]

"Palestine's population has increased over the years, so violence against them is justified and totally not oppression!"

 

Do you guys even listen to yourselves? Unbelievable.  

[LookinAssHittas]

54 minutes ago, Nano said:

Posting this yet again.

 

Do you not know how STUPID you look? Just because the population of the State of Palestine is increasing does not mean that the State of Israel isn’t committing acts of apartheid/genocide against the Palestinian people.

 

• The Israelis have imposed a blockade on Gaza for over 15 years

• The Israelis continue to evict Palestinians from their homes

• The Israelis continue to limit the freedom of movement for the Palestinian people with hundreds of checkpoints

• And last but certainly not least, the Israelis continue to build illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian territory

 

All of these acts listed are acts of apartheid/genocide.

 

To invalidate all these acts as acts of apartheid/genocide simply because the population of Palestine is growing is insensitive and wrong. You really need to shut the **** up.

 

[Nano]

32 minutes ago, LookinAssHittas said:

The Israelis have imposed a blockade on Gaza for over 15 years

Because if we didn't, Hamas' terrorism against Israelis would go way beyond throwing rockets at us. Also, in case you haven't noticed (or never looked at this area on a map), Gaza also has a border with Egypt. Now why do you think Egypt doesn't want anything to do with Gaza, either?

 

33 minutes ago, LookinAssHittas said:

The Israelis continue to limit the freedom of movement for the Palestinian people with hundreds of checkpoints

Because this was the only way to end the second Intifada. You think Israel is doing these things just for fun?

[Bethenny Frankel]

how hard is it to just let them mourn her? 

[Communion]

4 hours ago, Nano said:

Stop using the term genocide. 

 

4 hours ago, Nano said:

B is the only one that vaguely applies.

Israel is considered a genocidal state because its literal mission statement qualifies C - the intended *goal* of the destruction of the Palestinian people. It's why Zionists get mad when people point out how Israel is a settler-colonial state with the goal of establishing an ethno-state and how every leader had led Israel since its inception on the claim of it being "a land with no people for a people with no land".

 

For Israel to exist, it must succeed at displacing and removing every Palestinian from the land until their claim comes true - that there simply is no such place known as Palestine because no Palestinians live there. It's not genocide through extermination but through the openly-promoted goal of eradication of Palestine as a nation in its entirety. 

 

It's why people can sit here and say they don't approve of the settlements but yet Israel is simply not stopping.

 

[Nano]

22 minutes ago, Communion said:

Israel is considered a genocidal state because its literal mission statement qualifies C - the intended *goal* of the destruction of the Palestinian people.

...It's literally not. Like, Jesus Christ.

 

22 minutes ago, Communion said:

and how every leader had led Israel since its inception on the claim of it being "a land with no people for a people with no land".

Once again, you're talking nonsense. Israelis in the past even elected several Prime Ministers who wanted to reach a two-state solution with the Palestinians. Ever heard of someone called Yitzhak Rabin?

 

22 minutes ago, Communion said:

For Israel to exist, it must succeed at displacing and removing every Palestinian from the land until their claim comes true - that there simply is no such place known as Palestine because no Palestinians live there.

Nonsense again. You're talking about a right-wing version of the one-state solution, something that will never happen. If you don't think the Israeli government won't attempt to pull something like that off only because of the immorality of it, they *definitely* won't do it because of how plain impractical it would be.

 

And to emphasize how ridiculous you're being: the current Israeli government coalition actually includes an Arab party. It includes a pacifist left-wing party too.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Nano

[Communion]

34 minutes ago, Nano said:

...It's literally not

What do you think Zionism as a political movement literally believes?

 

You cannot establish a Jewish state without establishing an ethno-state; how else would you achieve the *openly stated goal* of never letting non-Jews becoming a majority of the population if not through policy and legislation?

 

It's why decades of official Israel policy has seen the systemic expulsion of Palestinians and the refusal to allow a forcibly displaced Palestinian diaspora to return to places they lived less than a hundred years ago. If you don't think Palestinians are under genocide because "their population is growing", then surely you'd have no issue or objection to the return of millions of Palestinian refugees and diaspora back to their rightful homes, yes? 

 

34 minutes ago, Nano said:

Ever heard of someone called Yitzhak Rabin?

You mean the PM who was assassinated by Israeli nationalists because he was seen as weak on Palestinians?  Just like the UN peacekeeper also assassinated by ultra-nationalist militias whose terrorist members would go on to become the beginning of the IDF, the national army??

 

34 minutes ago, Nano said:

You're talking about a right-wing version of the one-state solution, something that will never happen

THIS is who was most recently elected to be the face of your claim of a "politically diverse coalition government". 

The Israeli prime minster quite literally has bragged about KILLING Palestinians??? 

The Israeli government is filled with far-right politicians who call for things like the execution of mixed race couples. 

 

I would never say a government represents every single individual within its borders, but you're taking the piss now trying to deny the easily observed facts that Israel is objectively a far-right, ethno-nationalist state.

 

The government coalition you're praising is literally trying to pass anti-miscegenation laws??? 

Edited May 14, 2022 by Communion