base talk Bigger Era: Stripped vs Britney

[brainmaniac]

4 minutes ago, Protocol said:

Because millions of people already owned those albums by the time the singles were released  

That’s not why  Many albums have sold millions and still had later singles go Top 10 and even #1 with a commercial release. Christina Aguilera the album had already sold millions by the time I Turn To You and Come On Over Baby were released as singles and they still went to #3 and even #1 respectively 

Edited May 12, 2022 by brainmaniac

[brainmaniac]

3 minutes ago, UseYourIllusion2002 said:

You’re so right! Britney fans are so delusional. And this is coming from someone who prefers Britney miles more than Christina. First they deny the Hot100, but then they deny Spotify and Digital stats. They live in their own bubble where TRL still plays every morning while they wait for their fathers to come home and give them a sliver of attention. 

So true 

[Protocol]

Just now, brainmaniac said:

That’s not why  Many albums have sold millions and still had later singles go Top 10 and even #1 with a commercial release. Christina Aguilera the alive had already sold millions by the time I Turn To You and Come On Over Baby were released as singles and they still went to #3 and even #1 respectively 

Idk, you'd have to get into the nitty gritty of what was going on back then. Stronger and Broken Heart weren't as big on radio, which is probably why. The fans already had the tracks and because radio wasn't spamming them the GP didn't bother to buy them. At any rate Oops was a massive album and bigger than Mi Reflejo, My Kind of Christmas and Stripped combined.

[Pedro Labre]

4 minutes ago, UseYourIllusion2002 said:

No offense but please do not comment when the same thing applies to Christina, it makes you seem VERY uneducated sis :( “Beautiful” was not released as a CD single in the USA, nor was Fighter. And if you have problems with the Hot 100 peaks, you could look at the Spotify stats as well. PLEASE educate yourself. 

beautiful was released in vinyl and cd in 2003 it literally charted on the singles sales charts

[Pedro Labre]

9 minutes ago, brainmaniac said:

Beautiful still went to #2 without physical sales though. And Christina had more success and radio power than the other 3 artists combined at the time, so she clearly was the leading force behind Lady Marmalade going to #1  without a physical release.

congrats for her having payola power, that didn’t translate in sales neither in streams

 

Britney album had a small fraction of airplay and sold as much as stripped ??‍♂️

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[brainmaniac]

37 minutes ago, Pedro Labre said:

the album was released a few weeks after it happened 

 

im not saying it stopped people from getting out from their house, but certainly it was a cultural shift that impact music industry 

 

if people will argue about bubblegum music being at peak, let me tell, it wasn’t after that 

But if it didn’t stop people from getting out of the house, then it doesn’t have any relevance in being mentioned in relation to Britney’s sales. 

 

Bubblegum pop was starting to decline regardless even before that happened, but that was still the last year of that boom. 

[brainmaniac]

Just now, Pedro Labre said:

congrats for her having payola power, that didn’t not translate in sales neither in streams

 

Britney album had a small fraction of airplay and sold as much as stripped ??‍♂️

Again, you’re comparing a teen pop era album with a post teen pop album era in pure sales, and yet the numbers are still close.

 

We know Britney fans don’t like to compare their post teen pop albums in pure sales, because Stripped beats In The Zone by a good margin 

[dirrtydiana]

17 minutes ago, Protocol said:

Lady Marmalade went #1 in Summer 2001, a full year later, when the single sales market had declined dramatically. Since you live in the early 2000s I would've expected you to know this. If you are going to troll by seriously trying to argue that Oops I Did It Again, which has more streams than ANY Christina single from any of her own studio albums, was not a smash hit, you are going to have to try harder.

 

15 minutes ago, Pedro Labre said:

well no song in any christina album went #1 without physical sales

 

im not surprised a soundtrack with four acts managed to do that, that’s not a christina single achievement 

this x2! They never learn 
 

 

 

10 minutes ago, brainmaniac said:

That’s not why  Many albums have sold millions and still had later singles go Top 10 and even #1 with a commercial release. Christina Aguilera the album had already sold millions by the time I Turn To You and Come On Over Baby were released as singles and they still went to #3 and even #1 respectively 

Come on over and what a girl wants had to be remixed to become hits. The songs were different versions than what was on the album. I-

[Pedro Labre]

Just now, brainmaniac said:

Again, you’re comparing a teen pop era album with a post teen pop album era in pure sales, and yet the numbers are still close.

 

We know Britney fans don’t like to compare their post teen pop albums in pure sales, because Stripped beats In The Zone by a good margin 

Stripped sold more than In The Zone, im fine with that

 

why would i be worried by Britney fourth album selling less than Christina allegedly second/third whatever you choose LOL

 

do you really want to bring other albums????

 

25m - BOMT

20m - OOPS

13M - Christina Aguilera 

10.3M - Britney

9.5M - Stripped

7M - Im the Zone

6M - My Prerogative

 

five albums above 5M vs two albums… LMAO

[Protocol]

6 minutes ago, brainmaniac said:

Again, you’re comparing a teen pop era album with a post teen pop album era in pure sales, and yet the numbers are still close.

 

We know Britney fans don’t like to compare their post teen pop albums in pure sales, because Stripped beats In The Zone by a good margin 

That is only because My Prerogative: Greatest Hits came out only a year after In the Zone, severely diluting its appeal. Compilations always hurt LP sales because the public get the album for the hits, and so once a compilation comes out they prefer to buy the CD with all the hits on it. This effect has been seen time and time again, it's the reason Like a Prayer "only" sold about 4.5M copies in America despite Madonna being so huge at the time, because Immaculate Collection came out the following year.

 

In overall consumption, In the Zone and Stripped are neck and neck at 13M units.

[brainmaniac]

Just now, dirrtydiana said:

 

Come on over and what a girl wants had to be remixed to become hits. The songs were different versions than what was on the album. I-

I Turn To You still went to #3 and it was not remixed.

 

And there were other artists during that time who had already sold millions and still had Top 10 hits and even #1 with their commercial releases like Santana and Destinys Child, so that’s not an excuse for why Britney couldn’t go Top 10 with her commercial releases.

[brainmaniac]

Just now, Protocol said:

Nope

 

Stripped: 13,160,000

 

In the Zone: 13,080,000

 

And with much higher daily streams it's only a matter of months before it passes it.

 

I don’t even know what figure that is, but Stripped is still higher there and regardless I’m referring to the US here since we were discussing album sales in relation to The Hot 100 and Stripped has sold about 4.5 million and In The Zone has sold about 3 million 

[Pedro Labre]

Just now, brainmaniac said:

I Turn To You still went to #3 and it was not remixed.

 

And there were other artists during that time who had already sold millions and still had Top 10 hits and even #1 with their commercial releases like Santana and Destinys Child, so that’s not an excuse for why Britney couldn’t go Top 10 with her commercial releases.

seriously no one care about radio or hot 100 when these components don’t translate in real consumption 

 

britney had more sales, sold more tickets

 

christina had airplay, LOL

[Protocol]

Just now, brainmaniac said:

I don’t even know what figure that is, but Stripped is still higher there and regardless I’m referring to the US here since we were discussing album sales in relation to The Hot 100 and Stripped has sold about 4.5 million and In The Zone has sold about 3 million 

There is an argument to be made Christina was the bigger artist in America during 2003, yes.

[Pedro Labre]

3 minutes ago, Protocol said:

There is an argument to be made Christina was the bigger artist in America during 2003, yes.

she had chart points (payola only)

 

she wasnt the best seller or the biggest touring act… not even biggest celebrity 

[lex]

stripped is bigger and more referenced

 

however that’s the only matchup where xtina wins, sorry fighters

Edited May 12, 2022 by ☆lex

[UseYourIllusion2002]

20 minutes ago, Pedro Labre said:

beautiful was released in vinyl and cd in 2003 it literally charted on the singles sales charts

Except it WASN’T released as a CD single in the USA. But yes it was released as a 12” vinyl, but it would’ve reached #2 without it  please educate yourself and do research. Discogs is free, thanks!!!!! 

[brainmaniac]

28 minutes ago, Pedro Labre said:

beautiful was released in vinyl and cd in 2003 it literally charted on the singles sales charts

Now, that is not true at all. Beautiful was never released as a cd single in the US, otherwise it would have gone to #1.

 

It may have been released on vinyl, but vinyl singles sales were irrelevant by that time and only released in select record stores in low quantity, and not in the major markets so they would make little to no difference on The Hot 100. 

 

And vinyl only releases were are not really seen as commercial singles in this context for that reason.

 

That’s why Try Again and Lady Marmalade are considered the first singles to go to #1 without a commercial release, because they had no CD single, despite having a vinyl release.

 

And if I’m not mistaken, many of Britney’s singles that you would say had no commercial release still had vinyl releases. So unless you want to claim Britney had commercial releases too then...

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[collin]

Stripped obviously  

[brainmaniac]

9 minutes ago, Pedro Labre said:

seriously no one care about radio or hot 100 when these components don’t translate in real consumption 

 

britney had more sales, sold more tickets

 

christina had airplay, LOL

But they did translate to real success. You’re acting like Xtina, Santana, and Destiny’s Child were Rihanna like artists with lots of hits but low album sales, but they all had multi-platinum albums and Christina is near Diamond and Santana even outsold Britney 

[Pedro Labre]

1 minute ago, brainmaniac said:

But they did translate to real success. You’re acting like Xtina, Santana, and Destiny’s Child were Rihanna like artists with lots of hits but low album sales, but they all had multi-platinum albums and Christina is near Diamond and Santana even outsold Britney 

britney had more sales than christina 

 

britney sold more tickets than christina

 

britney was bigger celebrity than christina 

 

christina had more airplay than britney 

 

these are undeniably FACTS

[brainmaniac]

6 minutes ago, Pedro Labre said:

britney had more sales than christina 

 

britney sold more tickets than christina

 

britney was bigger celebrity than christina 

 

christina had more airplay than britney 

 

these are undeniably FACTS

When you constantly tour and release, you’re bound to be higher in that 

Bigger celebrity for the wrong reasons 

More airplay and more single success. 

And there’s many other things Christina has more of, but that’s not even the topic that was being discussed. 

 

The point was you can have well rounded success in albums AND singles like Xtina, Santana, and Destiny’s Child did. It’s not this either or situation where you must pick one over the other, that you guys are falsely trying to portray just because Britney wasn’t able to do it.

[unclefloprry]

Britney by miles 

 

nobody remembers what is a Striper 

[Star dance]

2 minutes ago, brainmaniac said:

When you constantly tour and release, you’re bound to be higher in that 

Bigger celebrity for the wrong reasons 

More airplay and more single success. 

And there’s many other things Christina has more of, but that’s not even the topic that was being discussed. 

 

The point was you can have well rounded success in albums AND singles like Xtina, Santana, and Destiny’s Child did. It’s not this either or situation where you must pick one over the other, that you guys are falsely trying to portray just because Britney wasn’t able to do it.

britney also outsold christina per project so it's not thagood as an argument

she outsold her debut by 10m and still managed to outsold her debut by a 6m a year later

 

britney and stripped sold pretty simillar amount and ITZ and MP sold more than it when combined

 

BTB sold blackout, but not by much and blackout is more remebered than it. after that circus sold almost as much as BTB in a worse climate and is a bigger era

 

FTF outsold all of christina albums since 2010

[dirrtydiana]

12 minutes ago, brainmaniac said:

When you constantly tour and release, you’re bound to be higher in that 

Bigger celebrity for the wrong reasons 

More airplay and more single success. 

An artist promoting and releasing their music, THATS MADNESS! And wasn’t xtina releasing just as constantly? And on top doing duets and lady marmalade in between releases. Stripped had two (2) tours 

 

you make ridiculous excuses like these yet claim 9/11 isn’t a reason when it literally changed the world ?‍♀️ 

 

and Britney was a celebrity for her music in 2001, it wasn’t 2007 yet 

 

and xtina getting more payola AirPlay is the equivalent of her getting more streams nowadays. People used to go out and buy albums in person for $19.99 which is $33.58 today btw

Edited May 12, 2022 by dirrtydiana