Arrows Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 1989 TV announced in Singapore, then released going into European dates would be perfect. It’s the type album her potential European listeners would love the most and could dominate the next summer. I think and hope she would go all out with promo for it, since it’s gonna be the hardest album to replace the original version. She’s gonna want to make everyone aware that this should be the version to listen to, not just her fanbase.
Cleanromantic Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 The funniest thing about the oth seething is that they act like they Stan some underground singers with indie music cred when they Stan some of the most successful artists who release mainstream music like Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga, and Britney . They also pretend that the reason for the success of the re-recordings is that Taylor's music is basic while stanning discographies that follow musical trends and that were created in writing camps with a main focus on hit singles and a bunch of filler album tracks . The reason the re-recordings only work for Taylor is because her albums were consistently positively received critically and successful commercially and all of them have album tracks that are praised more than singles. Meanwhile, their faves catalogue lack this consistency. They may have one or two commercially successful albums and the rest were underperformances or straight up flops, they may have one album that was positively received but the rest are panned, and they may have popular singles but the rest of the album is all disposable fillers. Only Taylor checks every box, and the reason her discography is this popular on streaming is because it is actually of great consistent quality unlike their pop girls music. 2
KOMH Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Emil Larsen said: and Scandimavian countries. She is super massive in Norway, followed by Denmark and Sweden. It can be seen that she is big in countries with high English proficiency. China would like a word dear. No Western (or non-Chinese Eastern) pop star comes remotely close to her dominance there.
Emil Larsen Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, KOMH said: China would like a word dear. No Western (or non-Chinese Eastern) pop star comes remotely close to her dominance there. She's super big in Philippines and Vietnam as well. Though the death of monoculture made people who do not like her become less aware of her.
TaylorNation Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 most of these release calendars and plans chile thank God some of you are not part of her team 9 hours ago, Taylor fanboy said: The critics consensus to Speak Now TV is becoming: 1. Better Than Revenge 2. What are these Taylor’s Versions for again? She can change the narrative to the second one. Maybe: 1. Signed CDs / Vinyls in small music shops. 2. Donation of proceeds. 3. Surprise drop. I have to say it’s really unfortunate that, out of all the albums in the re-recording project, Speak Now seems to be the first one turning the tide ever so slightly. It really doesn’t deserve it. This is the first time since Folklore that I’m seeing cracks in the facade, no matter how tiny. And it’s been building up for a while imo (M*tty, Ice Spice, pride month, etc.) When you add it all up she definitely isn’t in the same position she was a couple of months ago. Of course Speak Now TV is going to sell a ****-ton and be super successful in that regard, but imo the critic-darling bubble seems to have burst and this release doesn’t seem to have the mass GP support of Red TV and Midnights. We all know how self-aware she is so I’m sure she knows it too, hopefully this makes her hurry up with these releases 3
thisloveisntcrazy Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, TaylorNation said: most of these release calendars and plans chile thank God some of you are not part of her team I have to say it’s really unfortunate that, out of all the albums in the re-recording project, Speak Now seems to be the first one turning the tide ever so slightly. It really doesn’t deserve it. This is the first time since Folklore that I’m seeing cracks in the facade, no matter how tiny. And it’s been building up for a while imo (M*tty, Ice Spice, pride month, etc.) When you add it all up she definitely isn’t in the same position she was a couple of months ago. Of course Speak Now TV is going to sell a ****-ton and be super successful in that regard, but imo the critic-darling bubble seems to have burst and this release doesn’t seem to have the mass GP support of Red TV and Midnights. We all know how self-aware she is so I’m sure she knows it too, hopefully this makes her hurry up with these releases You would be right if a. her streams/goodwill started to go down (none did) and b. SN TV did not pull massive streams on its 1st day. I can agree that her goodwill peak is gone but popularity is still here. Having said that, I absolutely do not want another release or rerelease up till european leg of the tour. She's on the verge right now.
TaylorNation Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, thisloveisntcrazy said: You would be right if a. her streams/goodwill started to go down (none did) and b. SN TV did not pull massive streams on its 1st day. I can agree that her goodwill peak is gone but popularity is still here. Having said that, I absolutely do not want another release or rerelease up till european leg of the tour. She's on the verge right now. yes yes I know her streams are insane, which is why I said it’s going to sell a lot and be successful. but GP reaction seems to extremely muted so far, at least in my corner of the internet. Red TV was dominated by memes and commentary about the scarf, Jake, Maggie, the vault tracks etc, but so far I’m not seeing a lot (or anything) for Speak Now
fridayteenage Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 i think some ppl may have gotten resentful of how huge and dominant she's gotten again with every concert going viral on twitter etc, always huge audence numbers raking in millions for her. similar to 1989, and we know how that led to the disruption of the every 2 years album cycle from all the backlash cuz she was just that huge. 1
Cleanromantic Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Suffering from too much success , what's new for the Beatles of the 21 century ? 2
Taylor fanboy Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 The TV just trailing one point above the last one is “weird” for her imperial phase. This should have been regarded highly, the passion and effort she’s doing is becoming a narrative of capitalist (Taylor) vs. capitalist (Scooter). She needs to course correct. PS Yes this is dramatic.
enchanted0 Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 lmaooo you guys are so delusional taking about “goodwill”, she’s bigger than ever rn, and yeah I’d say she’s actually bigger than now she was in 3 months ago. Speak Now TV was always supposed to perform like this 2
Emil Larsen Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Can anyone explain to me why South Korea doesn't like Taylor but they love Charli Puth and Anne Marie so much??
Emil Larsen Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 26 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said: Suffering from too much success , what's new for the Beatles of the 21 century ? She's way bigger than The Beatles taking into account sales climate. What works against Taylor is that she is peaking when monoculture is dead so all people who don't like her can just avoid her whole existence. 1
enchanted0 Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 And yeah I know you guys were not just talking about her popularity
Emil Larsen Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 33 minutes ago, fridayteenage said: i think some ppl may have gotten resentful of how huge and dominant she's gotten again with every concert going viral on twitter etc, always huge audence numbers raking in millions for her. similar to 1989, and we know how that led to the disruption of the every 2 years album cycle from all the backlash cuz she was just that huge. They are not resentful of her. They are bitter that their faves don't sell as much. I stan for both Carly and Taylor and I find it annoying how many Carly's stans on Popheads and Twitter have to bring Taylor('s music) down to praise Carly. Except sensible stan like @Headlock of course. Two Queens can exist at the same time and have their own achievements. 1
enchanted0 Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Emil Larsen said: They are not resentful of her. They are bitter that their faves don't sell as much. I stan for both Carly and Taylor and I find it annoying how many Carly's stans on Popheads and Twitter have to bring Taylor('s music) down to praise Carly. Except sensible stan like @Headlock of course. Two Queens can exist at the same time and have their own achievements. Lmaooo yeah this is weird af. This went too far and at some point one user on Atrl once said 1989 was just a copy of EMOTION when EMOTION was released after. If TLT had some critical success (no shade here I’m like the biggest Dedicated stan on ATRL) people would be probably even more annoying now Edited July 9, 2023 by enchanted0
Taylena Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Emil Larsen said: Can anyone explain to me why South Korea doesn't like Taylor but they love Charli Puth and Anne Marie so much?? Anne Marie only has one hit there. That's it. Taylor is the 2nd most liked/streamed female int. artist after Ariana. Taylor just isn't bigger because there are already Korean female artists doing what she does but in Korean (e.g. IU and Taeyeon). Edited July 9, 2023 by Taylena
Emil Larsen Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, enchanted0 said: Lmaooo yeah this is weird af. This went too far and at some point one user on Atrl once said 1989 was just a copy of EMOTION when EMOTION was released after. If TLT had some critical success (no shade here I’m like the biggest Dedicated stan on ATRL) people are probably even more annoying now Yeah. Have you read The Loneliest Time thread on Popheads? Bitter Carly's stans turned that whole thread into an anti-Taylor thread. I have never seen so much bitterness in my life. Let's be brutally honest here, Carly could have released TLT in any week and it would still have flopped. And if Carly hadn't wanted to be overshadowed by Taylor, she could have just moved her album one week early. It is Carly's fault that she kept the release date. Taylor has nothing to do with TLT being a flop so it's so ridiculous that Carly's stans took their frustration on Taylor.
Emil Larsen Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, enchanted0 said: Lmaooo yeah this is weird af. This went too far and at some point one user on Atrl once said 1989 was just a copy of EMOTION when EMOTION was released after. If TLT had some critical success (no shade here I’m like the biggest Dedicated stan on ATRL) people are probably even more annoying now They wrote things like "Emotion walked so 1989 could run". So dumb. Emotion is literally a copy cat of 1989 with catchier beats but less deep lyrics. 1989 made poptimism gain traction in the music industry and Emotion benefitted from it. It's not the other way round like Carly's delusional fans think.
Emil Larsen Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 That Popheads website is so miserable. They hate everything that is popular.
Emil Larsen Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Taylor could easily sell out 2 dates at Stade De France if she wanted to. In France, Taylor is an ALBUM artist.
Bonicap Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 1 hour ago, TaylorNation said: We all know how self-aware she is so I’m sure she knows it too, hopefully this makes her hurry up with these releases Hurry up with the re-recordings is the exact opposite of what she should do She is in the biggest tour of all time, released Midnights 8 months ago, has a song at #1 on US Pop radio, another one from a different album close to #1 on Global Spotify, three albums doing +10M daily streams, +80M streams overall... and in this environment you think that dropping the remaining re-recordings at a faster pace would be benefitial for her. This whole process is making her the most successful artist in the world (by a mile) and the only issue is that her catalog is overshadowing the new releases and they cannibalize each other streams. Slowing down is the smartest thing she can do commercially.
Emil Larsen Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bonicap said: Hurry up with the re-recordings is the exact opposite of what she should do She is in the biggest tour of all time, released Midnights 8 months ago, has a song at #1 on US Pop radio, another one from a different album close to #1 on Global Spotify, three albums doing +10M daily streams, +80M streams overall... and in this environment you think that dropping the remaining re-recordings at a faster pace would be benefitial for her. This whole process is making her the most successful artist in the world (by a mile) and the only issue is that her catalog is overshadowing the new releases and they cannibalize each other streams. Slowing down is the smartest thing she can do commercially. She is slowing down. 1989 TV won't be out until next year.
Bonicap Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, Emil Larsen said: She is slowing down. 1989 TV won't be out until next year. That's what she should do. Once she has decided to make Cruel Summer a single that should be the absolute focus. And then "rest" for a few months so the hype can resurge. Her catalog will keep doing insane numbers thanks to the Tour.
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