QueenB Posted September 23 Posted September 23 13 minutes ago, Draper. said: She's redoing an iconic 1985 Levi's ad with Levii's Jeans. Might be cute. this could be legendary... please let levi jeans be the hit it deserves.. but I just know it'll be sent to pop radio in december 2
swissman Posted September 23 Posted September 23 3 minutes ago, king_queen said: I haven't read the other long ass essays in this thread and I ain't reading this one. I can tell you put some effort into this response though and for that, I commend you It's seven sentences plus a quote but okay. TLDR: a music video and an ad are not the same thing and no one views them as the same thing. 5
swissman Posted September 23 Posted September 23 It's just kind of crazy to me that it's 2024 and we're having the same basic "WHY ISN'T BEYONCÉ DOING WHAT I WANT HER TO DO" complaints as we did in 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018...etc. At some point you've just gotta take a breath and understand who Beyoncé is, where she is in her career, and what she is and is not likely to do. 2 6
swissman Posted September 23 Posted September 23 ANYWAY has anyone tried SIRDAVIS? I really want to but it's not available in my country.
Devin Posted September 23 Posted September 23 i havent tried but i heard great reviews. im tryna boycott but i do love whiskey, ima buy a bottle. 1
QueenB Posted September 23 Posted September 23 26 minutes ago, swissman said: Let's be absolutely clear about what she said to GQ. "Sometimes a visual can be a distraction from the quality of the voice and the music." What Beyoncé is saying is sometimes putting out a visual can distract from the material qualities of the music itself because it puts an emphatic stamp on the aesthetic and brings in a lot of other creative factors for people to focus their attention on and consume. An ad may do the same for some viewers, but really, no one is looking to an ad to receive deeper context of the song chosen for it. Ads are usually not even half the length of a song, so already it's nothing like the impact of a music video, nor will they ever (unless highly iconic and with a wide-release) be as emblematic of the song than an actual official music video will be. But correct me if I'm wrong, the extent of these "ads" in question are essentially IG reels, right? I don't necessarily think it's a big deal if people are "distracted" with visuals but I do think once you have a visual it's very hard to imagine it any other way and that sometimes people focus more on the visual aspects than the music itself (See: Single Ladies, Formation) so I see her point. I don't have to agree with it fully to not let it upset me. You may call me a bootlicker for not being angry and complaining about it, but I simply don't see the big deal. distractions =/= enhancements I'm sorry but Single Ladies and Formation being used as examples as her quote about "distracting" visuals being correct..? I can't be bothered to explain how wrong that is, I'll just say i've never been "distracted" by a Beyoncé video and they actually made me appreciate the musicality more because of how great the video was. 6
QueenB Posted September 23 Posted September 23 21 minutes ago, swissman said: ANYWAY has anyone tried SIRDAVIS? I really want to but it's not available in my country. The bottle is cute, I haven't opened her yet as I personally hate whiskey, but ill crack her open later and give a review 1
swissman Posted September 23 Posted September 23 8 minutes ago, QueenB said: distractions =/= enhancements I'm sorry but Single Ladies and Formation being used as examples as her quote about "distracting" visuals being correct..? I can't be bothered to explain how wrong that is, I'll just say i've never been "distracted" by a Beyoncé video and they actually made me appreciate the musicality more because of how great the video was. For the average person, was Single Ladies more about the video/dance or the actual material qualities of the music? I'm not just talking about "oh this is catchy!" but appreciating the production, the vocal mixing, etc. as she says she wants people to do without the visuals now when her music is arguably richer, more dense and packed with more meaning and intention? It's nearly impossible to think of Single Ladies song WITHOUT thinking of the video. This is why I cited it. And even if the video enhanced your appreciation of the song, it therefore has changed your experience of it. Put another way, people were mad at the video when it came out because it was so simple. They had other visions of how the video should be. BUT today no one ever thinks of a club setting or anything else for it nor do they expect a more detailed video. The video usurped one's own experience of the track and is how people engage with it now. I don't think her statement that "sometimes" visuals can be distractions needs to be taken as 100% truth in order for it to be a way of thinking for her at the moment. Beyoncé has long been about changing things up, competing with herself and questioning status quo in an effort to see what becomes of it. We could say her famous "they don't make albums" quote isn't 100% true either. But the fact that some artists were indeed still focused on making "albums" not collections of "quick little singles" neither changes nor negates her creative motivation. 3
Starshine Posted September 23 Posted September 23 pink wig cement ass is not getting a peep from neque, I know this is just making her cokehead spiral more. 13
Massive_Teardrop Posted September 24 Posted September 24 4 hours ago, Devin said: i havent tried but i heard great reviews. im tryna boycott but i do love whiskey, ima buy a bottle. Yeah same just waiting for that right weekend to indulge in whiskey.. it's gotta get a lil colder outside for me 1
FLAallday Posted September 24 Posted September 24 I got a bottle and drank it on the night of the presidential debate. We made the sir Davis old fashioned and the Houston. I preferred the old fashioned between the two but the Houston tasted way smoother after a few min of settling.
QueenBeyoncé Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) 9 hours ago, swissman said: ANYWAY has anyone tried SIRDAVIS? I really want to but it's not available in my country. I tried it in a cocktail.. was good af Whisky is too strong for me to drink it straight lol but ppl I know who did said it was very smooth and will get you right and taste even better on the rocks (ice) Go on tiktok so many good and funny reviews Edited September 24 by QueenBeyoncé 1
Cbreezy Posted September 24 Posted September 24 I'm naturally interested to see what the Levi's thing is but she generally is so unserious. There is literally nothing wrong with her doing it and in a way it's a welcome throwback to the time when her brand was "looser" and more mainstream in the things she would do/endorse. However, much like her recent business ventures, dropping them while her fans are salivating for something else entirely is wild work. My argument will ever and always be that fans would be WAY more enthused to buy whatever she's selling in the AFRTERFLOW of giving them what they want. Very much a "have them raving about your killer video and your iconic tour and they'll RUSH to buy the stuff you're selling around it to soak in as much "Beyonce" as they can" Doing it the way she's doing it feels backward and counterintuitive to being (as) successful with these ventures (as she could be) because we are way past the point of delayed gratification. I've seen a lot of stans who are resolute in their stance of "I'm not buying/supporting anything else until she gives me what I want: visuals...music...performances".
Calypso Posted September 24 Posted September 24 8 minutes ago, Cbreezy said: I'm naturally interested to see what the Levi's thing is but she generally is so unserious. There is literally nothing wrong with her doing it and in a way it's a welcome throwback to the time when her brand was "looser" and more mainstream in the things she would do/endorse. However, much like her recent business ventures, dropping them while her fans are salivating for something else entirely is wild work. My argument will ever and always be that fans would be WAY more enthused to buy whatever she's selling in the AFRTERFLOW of giving them what they want. Very much a "have them raving about your killer video and your iconic tour and they'll RUSH to buy the stuff you're selling around it to soak in as much "Beyonce" as they can" Doing it the way she's doing it feels backward and counterintuitive to being (as) successful with these ventures (as she could be) because we are way past the point of delayed gratification. I've seen a lot of stans who are resolute in their stance of "I'm not buying/supporting anything else until she gives me what I want: visuals...music...performances". You have a point but at this point we have to seriously consider her overall vision with the acts trilogy and the associcated visuals. At some point after Renaissance she clearly changed plans and has a new strategy for if and how she wants to give us "visuals". Yes it is frustrating, often cuz all we want is some videos and singles while bey is always up to some grander visual album or film. And this time it seems we get nothing. But I am certain she is very ambitious and cares about her legacy as a visual artist - so her decisions are not made lightly. Projects like cecred and sir Davis have been 3-4-5+ years in the making. Their timelines are what they are. But I agree, it's been frustrating as fans who also love beyonce for her videos, visuals and performances. At the same time, I've long reached a point where I'm just enjoying things. I will truly say that I have appreciated the vocals and production of Renaissance and CC a lot more (thanks to no videos). It is what it is. 2
Draper. Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, Cbreezy said: My argument will ever and always be that fans would be WAY more enthused to buy whatever she's selling in the AFRTERFLOW of giving them what they want. Very much a "have them raving about your killer video and your iconic tour and they'll RUSH to buy the stuff you're selling around it to soak in as much "Beyonce" as they can" Doing it the way she's doing it feels backward and counterintuitive to being (as) successful with these ventures (as she could be) because we are way past the point of delayed gratification. I've seen a lot of stans who are resolute in their stance of "I'm not buying/supporting anything else until she gives me what I want: visuals...music...performances". That makes sense but… most of the products she's promoting are not targeted to the fans. She herself said she didn't want her name attached to Cécred and Sir Davis from the very beginning. Tiffany's is a luxury brand. The perfume is targeted to fans and it came during the tour. The Verizon ad did come with music and is enjoyable even if you don't care about what's being promoted. Levi's is the one which would've sold better after a tour announcement, but they're working on their own schedule.
Cbreezy Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, Calypso said: You have a point but at this point we have to seriously consider her overall vision with the acts trilogy and the associcated visuals. At some point after Renaissance she clearly changed plans and has a new strategy for if and how she wants to give us "visuals". Yes it is frustrating, often cuz all we want is some videos and singles while bey is always up to some grander visual album or film. And this time it seems we get nothing. But I am certain she is very ambitious and cares about her legacy as a visual artist - so her decisions are not made lightly. Projects like cecred and sir Davis have been 3-4-5+ years in the making. Their timelines are what they are. But I agree, it's been frustrating as fans who also love beyonce for her videos, visuals and performances. At the same time, I've long reached a point where I'm just enjoying things. I will truly say that I have appreciated the vocals and production of Renaissance and CC a lot more (thanks to no videos). It is what it is. We're kind sorta on the same page. As well as being a huge Bey fan, I am pretty obsessed with music industry and marketing. So, the intersectionality of stanning Bey and having those interests has long been a sweet spot for me. Primarily because she is such a textbook case of how to get it right. I'll always be fascinated with her brand, her pivots, her longevity, and the really careful nuance she applies to ensure she stays Queen. Nuance, I feel, tends to fly over most people's heads (including many stans). I say that to say, I actually tend to be moreso fascinated and intrigued by her shenanigans than frustrated by them. I also don't think she's even being "that" groundbreaking with her antics. In cementing herself as a luxe product, she very very (very!) clearly adheres to the model of "limit the supply, increase the demand". It's what we're seeing with the visuals. It WILL be another big Beyonce moment whenever it comes. Even if the music doesn't benefit as much as it could, it WILL another cornerstone of her career. However... From a purely business perspective, you get more out of the consumer when they are happy with the present product. It's really that simple. Taylor Swift's fans eat out of her palm because she is playing the momentum game. She's feeding them so much musically and dare I say stirred up a cult-like following that if she were to drop a makeup line or a milkshake lol...anything...her fans would make it the top-selling thing. Give the people what they want (or at least some semblance of it) and trust that they'll give you what you need...e.g. support for your extracurricular activities! 2 1
Bicassie Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Renaissance really is her magnum opus huh even she knew 4
Santhosh Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Stop writing essays god damn it btw where is @Kristie Kuwa ?
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