charts discussion All Time Hot 100 Songwriters

[Cockney Cupcake]

14 hours ago, Fitzswiftie said:

My money’s on Stevie Wonder or Prince.

Mine is on McCartney/Stevie

I don’t think Prince has that many entries tbh Bruce Springsteen/Barry Gibb/MaxMartin will be ahead of him I feel 

[Ash12345]

1 hour ago, Cockney Cupcake said:

 

 

I’m sorry but Katy having 20+ more entries and more hits, Nicki having 100+ entries and then barely edging out Adele with 17 entries  

 

 

Having a small number of co-writers (or none) definitely helps on this ranking. Taylor was already closing in on the top 50 by the time she was old enough to buy a beer.

[Cherry123]

Really surprised Mariah is not top 50 and Nicki is not in the top 100. This is really gonna be an all-male list 

[Ash12345]

12 minutes ago, Cherry123 said:

Really surprised Mariah is not top 50 and Nicki is not in the top 100. This is really gonna be an all-male list 

Yeah, it's mostly men, but there is one woman on the list that hasn't been mentioned by anyone here.

[1DES]

1 hour ago, Ash12345 said:

Yeah, it's mostly men, but there is one woman on the list that hasn't been mentioned by anyone here.

Diane Warren...it's Carole King. 

[Ash12345]

Just now, 1DES said:

Diane Warren...it's Carole King. 

They've both been mentioned already. This woman is pretty unknown to ATRL.

[Ash12345]

Kesha Sebert

Points: 6387

 

 

Most streamed Hot 100 hits on Spotify

 

626m - Timber (Pitbull feat. Kesha)

392m - Tik Tok (Kesha)

310m - Praying (Kesha)

249m - Die Young (Kesha)

236m - Good Old Days (Macklemore feat. Kesha)

 

 

Table of Points

 

@SoulKiwi

[SoulKiwi]

Oooo I feel special  thank you so much for doing this, and all the rest of the artists 

 

 

[trainsskyscrapers]

1 hour ago, Ash12345 said:

Kesha Sebert

Points: 6387

 

 

Most streamed Hot 100 hits on Spotify

 

626m - Timber (Pitbull feat. Kesha)

392m - Tik Tok (Kesha)

310m - Praying (Kesha)

249m - Die Young (Kesha)

236m - Good Old Days (Macklemore feat. Kesha)

 

 

Table of Points

 

@SoulKiwi

This is crazy.

 

1. I always thought the hook of Flo-Rida's "Right Round" was written by Kesha.... but I guess not.

 

2. Because of her writing upbringing/Kemosabe partnership with Luke I expected to see her writing all over Katy, Becky G, Femme Fatale era Britney, Roman Reloaded era Nicki, maybe even circa 2007 Avril and Kelly Clarkson, but I'm a little shocked to not see her as a bonafide pop-girl writer sans "Till The World Ends".

 

3. I know she also wrote for Ariana Grande's shelved debut project (Pink Champagne, etc...).. but I guess nothing charted. 

[Ash12345]

30 minutes ago, trainsskyscrapers said:

This is crazy.

 

1. I always thought the hook of Flo-Rida's "Right Round" was written by Kesha.... but I guess not.

 

2. Because of her writing upbringing/Kemosabe partnership with Luke I expected to see her writing all over Katy, Becky G, Femme Fatale era Britney, Roman Reloaded era Nicki, maybe even circa 2007 Avril and Kelly Clarkson, but I'm a little shocked to not see her as a bonafide pop-girl writer sans "Till The World Ends".

 

3. I know she also wrote for Ariana Grande's shelved debut project (Pink Champagne, etc...).. but I guess nothing charted. 

She did write a few songs for other artists, but not Katy/Becky G/Nicki/Avril/Kelly, mostly just for lesser known artists. She did have writing credits on Miley's "The Time of Our Lives" though.

Edited January 3, 2020 by Ash12345

[Mr. Duff]

Katy Perry  

A few more hits and she'll be getting in. She needs to have a self-written ballad that should go up the charts!

 

Nicki Minaj has so many entries!

[Ash12345]

Meghan Trainor

Points: 7312

 

 

Most streamed Hot 100 hits on Spotify

 

534m - Like I'm Gonna Lose You (Meghan Trainor feat. John Legend)

506m - All About That Bass (Meghan Trainor)

299m - No (Meghan Trainor)

286m - Ain't Your Mama (Jennifer Lopez)

263m - Lips Are Movin (Meghan Trainor)

 

 

Table of Points

 

@lipes

[lipes]

22 minutes ago, Ash12345 said:

Meghan Trainor

Points: 7312

 

 

Most streamed Hot 100 hits on Spotify

 

534m - Like I'm Gonna Lose You (Meghan Trainor feat. John Legend)

506m - All About That Bass (Meghan Trainor)

299m - No (Meghan Trainor)

286m - Ain't Your Mama (Jennifer Lopez)

263m - Lips Are Movin (Meghan Trainor)

 

 

Table of Points

 

@lipes

Thanks for checking it out for me!!

I expected her total points to be a little higher, but looking at this, her writing credits for other artists didn't help her that much.

 

I'm looking forward to see the rest of the list, I can't imagine how the top10 looks like if we have those songwriters with multiple hits missing out the top50.

[Ash12345]

60. Bob Dylan

Points: 23,677

 

 

During high school, Bob Dylan really enjoyed rock n roll, but when he started college, he became drawn to folk music for its greater emotional depth. After signing Columbia Records, he released his Self-Titled debut album in 1962, which mostly contained traditional folk songs, with only two original compositions. That album failed to achieve commercial success, but he had more luck on his second album "The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan", where he wrote all the songs, and people connected the songs to the anti-war and civil rights movements. The most popular song on the album was "Blowin' In The Wind", which became his first Hot 100 hit when it was covered by Peter, Paul & Mary.

 

In 1965, Bob Dylan began recording songs with electric guitar, which was a controversial move with the folk community, but lead to what are often considered his three best albums, "Bringing It All Back Home", "Highway 61 Revisited" and "Blonde on Blonde", released between 1965 and 1966. Following those albums, he released five albums from 1967 to 1973 that included religious themes and had a country sound. His most popular album of the 1970s was his 1975 break-up album "Blood On The Tracks". In the late 70s, he took another controversial turn by converting to Evangelical Christianity and releasing three Christian albums. He returned to secular music in 1983, but by that point his main period of commercial success was over, and his albums from the 80s onwards were less consistent quality-wise. 1997's "Time Out of My Mind" was critically acclaimed, and contains his most streamed song "Make You Feel My Love" which was covered by Adele on "19".

Although Bob Dylan released dozens of albums, that didn't necessarily translate into huge hits. Many of his songs didn't have mainstream pop appeal, and he's not the best vocalist, so many of his songwriter hits were covers of his original recordings. His last major hit, "Wagon Wheel" by Darius Rucker used an old Bob Dylan demo for its chorus.

 

Most streamed Hot 100 hits on Spotify

 

306m - All Along The Watchtower (Jimi Hendrix)

258m - Wagon Wheel (Darius Rucker)

171m - Like A Rolling Stone (Bob Dylan)

138m - Knockin' On Heaven's Door (Bob Dylan)

120m - The Times They Are A-Changin' (Bob Dylan)

 

*Make You Feel My Love has around 500m streams from all charting versions but Adele's cover which is responsible for most of those streams didn't chart on the Hot 100.

 

 

Table of Points

 

 

@Green @Revenge @Witch Privilege @trainsskyscrapers @Insanity @Fitzswiftie  @Juanny @JawBreaker @alfonso12 @Weed @Nip Tuck @Cherry123 @eli's_rhythm @1DES @princedonte @Alpha Male @Timber @jordanjm @SoulKiwi@Ohno @Mezik@DougAF @Chainsmoker@suburbannature @Erotic@mcohen@ChatshireCat@cuneytb @Arxane @1989 @Mr. Duff @ECNEICSNOC @BtDecember @pavi @Kylie Jenner @deGonzz @Jorq @Dibbles @Alexz

Edited January 3, 2020 by Ash12345

[mcohen]

Bob Dylan is such a legend 

[Into The Void]

Whats Charlie Puths points?

[cuneytb]

6 hours ago, Ash12345 said:

61. Mariah Carey

Points: 22,899

 

 

One of the most successful artists of all time, Mariah Carey learned to master her voice from her mother, who was also a singer. She started writing songs in high school, and got more serious about that in her senior year after meeting co-writers Ben Margulies and Gavin Christopher. She struggled to get a record deal until she met singer Brenda K. Starr who showed her demos to Tommy Mottola, head Columbia Records (who she would marry a few years later). Mottola felt Mariah had great potential and invested in top producers and a major promotional campaign, and her self-titled debut album turned into a block-buster success with four #1 singles in 1990-1991. She released six more highly successful albums in the 90s, all with several major hits, with the later of those albums taking on more R&B and hip-hop influences.

 

Following her break-up with Mottola, she left Columbia and signed Virgin Records America in 2001. However, she began going through some personal struggles, which negatively affected her public image, and her first album with Virgin, the soundtrack album for the movie "Glitter" struggled to achieve commercial success, leading to her getting dropped by her new label. After "Charmbracelet" also struggled, she surprised everyone with her big come-back album "The Emancipation of Mimi" in 2005, which revived her career with several major hits, most notably "We Belong Together", and she was able to get additional hits with the albums that followed. Just as she again began to struggle to get new hits in the 2010s, streaming made it possible for her 1994 Christmas classic "All I Want For Christmas Is You" to chart more easily, reaching #1 for the first time in 2019, and it should allow her to continue to have significant chart success in the fourth decade of her career.

 

Most streamed Hot 100 hits on Spotify

 

832m - All I Want For Christmas Is You (Mariah Carey)

545m - Don't (Bryson Tiller)

214m - We Belong Together (Mariah Carey)

151m - Always Be My Baby (Mariah Carey)

120m - Emotionless (Drake)

 

 

Table of Points

 

 

@Green @Revenge @Witch Privilege @trainsskyscrapers @Insanity @Fitzswiftie  @Juanny @JawBreaker @alfonso12 @Weed @Nip Tuck @Cherry123 @eli's_rhythm @1DES @princedonte @Alpha Male @Timber @jordanjm @SoulKiwi@Ohno @Mezik@DougAF @Chainsmoker@suburbannature @Erotic@mcohen@ChatshireCat@cuneytb @Arxane @1989 @Mr. Duff @ECNEICSNOC @BtDecember @pavi @Kylie Jenner @deGonzz @Jorq @Dibbles @Alexz

Okay wow, this is a shock. 

[Timber]

Wow, a writer. 

[Alexz]

On 1/1/2020 at 10:11 PM, Ash12345 said:

Wow this is shocking.

[Cockney Cupcake]

9 hours ago, Ash12345 said:

Having a small number of co-writers (or none) definitely helps on this ranking. Taylor was already closing in on the top 50 by the time she was old enough to buy a beer.

Yeah cause Taylors unlike Nickis entries she’s are mainly 33%, 50% or 100% along with almost 100 entries or something. 

She will be high high 

[Nip Tuck]

15 hours ago, Cockney Cupcake said:

I’m sorry but Katy having 20+ more entries and more hits, Nicki having 100+ entries and then barely edging out Adele with 17 entries  

That's because Nicki is often a featured artist + producers are often given credits as writers.

 

When you work out Nicki's credits based on who is actually a 'songwriter' the results would be different but alas that's not how it works unfortunately

[Ash12345]

2 hours ago, Nip Tuck said:

That's because Nicki is often a featured artist + producers are often given credits as writers.

 

When you work out Nicki's credits based on who is actually a 'songwriter' the results would be different but alas that's not how it works unfortunately

Yeah, it's tricky, but I agree overall her contributions are bigger than the number of co-writers would make it seem.

 

In earlier decades, most songs were written by one or two people at a piano or guitar, coming up with some lyrics and vocal melodies to go along with the piano/guitar chords. It's only after that that they'd get taken to a producer who would help with the arrangements and stuff.

 

Now the most common way of songwriting is singing/rapping to a beat/instrumental track you got from a producer, and the instrumental track you get sent does shape what the main songwriter/rapper/top-liner will come up with, so I think it makes sense to give the producer some songwriting credit, even if they're not the main person doing what would normally be considered songwriting. The beat is especially important in shaping the songwriting on rap songs which often don't have much of a chord progression or melody so it's mostly just about how the beat and rapper's flow interact. I don't consider the beat to be songwriting though, like if someone wrote a rap and got someone to add the beat after the fact I don't think the beat maker should get any songwriting credit, only if the song starts with a beat and the beat helps shape how the songwriting comes together. So I still think that whoever comes up with the lyrics and vocal melody/rhythm should be considered the main songwriter.

 

Nicki definitely has a lot of songs as a featured artist, and also songs with guest performers, which leads to a lot of co-writers in addition to the producers. Only about 40% of her hits have her as the lead, and even less as a solo lead. I think she also gets help sometimes with sung choruses/hooks from people like Ester Dean, at least I assume that's what Ester does on the Nicki songs she has writing credits on. It's hard to say exactly how much of the songwriting shares she owns, which can help get a sense of how significant her contributions were, but it definitely doesn't look like some other singers who have 4-6 co-writers and only own 5% of the songwriting share. For Nicki it seems like she owns an equal share to her co-writers when she's the lead artist, sometimes even a bigger share. 

 

 

[deGonzz]

11 hours ago, cuneytb said:

Okay wow, this is a shock. 

 

 

[Cockney Cupcake]

3 hours ago, Nip Tuck said:

That's because Nicki is often a featured artist + producers are often given credits as writers.

 

When you work out Nicki's credits based on who is actually a 'songwriter' the results would be different but alas that's not how it works unfortunately

 

21 minutes ago, Ash12345 said:

Yeah, it's tricky, but I agree overall her contributions are bigger than the number of co-writers would make it seem.

 

In earlier decades, most songs were written by one or two people at a piano or guitar, coming up with some lyrics and vocal melodies to go along with the piano/guitar chords. It's only after that that they'd get taken to a producer who would help with the arrangements and stuff.

 

Now the most common way of songwriting is singing/rapping to a beat/instrumental track you got from a producer, and the instrumental track you get sent does shape what the main songwriter/rapper/top-liner will come up with, so I think it makes sense to give the producer some songwriting credit, even if they're not the main person doing what would normally be considered songwriting. The beat is especially important in shaping the songwriting on rap songs which often don't have much of a chord progression or melody so it's mostly just about how the beat and rapper's flow interact. I don't consider the beat to be songwriting though, like if someone wrote a rap and got someone to add the beat after the fact I don't think the beat maker should get any songwriting credit, only if the song starts with a beat and the beat helps shape how the songwriting comes together. So I still think that whoever comes up with the lyrics and vocal melody/rhythm should be considered the main songwriter.

 

Nicki definitely has a lot of songs as a featured artist, and also songs with guest performers, which leads to a lot of co-writers in addition to the producers. Only about 40% of her hits have her as the lead, and even less as a solo lead. I think she also gets help sometimes with sung choruses/hooks from people like Ester Dean, at least I assume that's what Ester does on the Nicki songs she has writing credits on. It's hard to say exactly how much of the songwriting shares she owns, which can help get a sense of how significant her contributions were, but it definitely doesn't look like some other singers who have 4-6 co-writers and only own 5% of the songwriting share. For Nicki it seems like she owns an equal share to her co-writers when she's the lead artist, sometimes even a bigger share. 

 

 

Yeah it really depends who you’re working with tbh cause you see some interviews of producers and they’re like “I got sent the song and then did some work on it ampler this added that etc” it’s more about technicalities like adding revere somewhere or whatever than the actual songwriting.

Oh well still you can tell who actually writes and who doesn’t do that’s fine 

[marsblyr]

17 hours ago, Ash12345 said:

Having a small number of co-writers (or none) definitely helps on this ranking. Taylor was already closing in on the top 50 by the time she was old enough to buy a beer.