doonerr Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said: The discounts and payola are giving me Butterfly and Rainbow era vibes (The label needed Mariah to be #1, no matter what) Girl what are you talking about, none of her #1 singles from those albums were #1 on Pop let alone Overall Radio Take a sit, before you come for Mariah "Legend" Carey
SlaylorSwift Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 59 minutes ago, Mr. Adele said: Sure sweetheart Telling me sure when you appeared in more Taylor Swift's thread than most swifties
Blue Honeymoon Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 1 minute ago, doonerr said: Girl what are you talking about, none of her #1 singles from those albums were #1 on Pop let alone Overall Radio Take a sit, before you come for Mariah "Legend" Carey Of course they weren't, because even payola can't make your song #1 on pop radio if people aren't here for it (as with Look What You Made Me Do). But they pushed the singles as far as they could on radio, and they heavily discounted them. I mean... Honey, My All, Heartbreaker,Thank God I Found You, Loverboy, Don't Forget About Us. All of those #1 singles (and Loverboy) were very unorganic and forced by the label. That's the reason they peaked and then fastly dropped. I mean... look at their year-end chart positions. They all charted very low compared to Mariah real and organic #1's. (Fantasy, One Sweet Day, Always Be My Baby, Vision of Love, We Belong Together, Hero, etc.)
taylor__fan Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Blue Honeymoon said: Of course they weren't, because even payola can't make your song #1 on pop radio if people aren't here for it (as with Look What You Made Me Do). But they pushed the singles as far as they could on radio, and they heavily discounted them. I mean... Honey, My All, Heartbreaker,Thank God I Found You, Loverboy, Don't Forget About Us. All of those #1 singles (and Loverboy) were very unorganic and forced by the label. That's the reason they peaked and then fastly dropped. I mean... look at their year-end chart positions. They all charted very low compared to Mariah real and organic #1's. (Fantasy, One Sweet Day, Always Be My Baby, Vision of Love, We Belong Together, Hero, etc.) Basically like every label does on radio? Why are you blaming Mariah for something everybody does? Edited October 6, 2017 by taylor__fan
Rated Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Well, Mariah's label didn't payol'd Rainbow and Glitter era. They used strategy to push song to the airplay, waiting for solid audience peak and then releasing physical single with discount. After first week of sales her singles gained big amount of sales and jumped to #1 spot. Yeah, they falled down soon after their peak, because song wasn't hit on the radio. Edited October 6, 2017 by Rated
Blue Honeymoon Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Just now, taylor__fan said: Basically like every label does on radio? Why are you blaming Mariah for something everybody does? Not everybody does that. For example, all of Katheryn's #1's are legit, and you can see that by their sales and chart performance. CTTR flopped, and the label didn't go for ridiculous payola trying to get a hit when the GP clearly said "no"
doonerr Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said: Of course they weren't, because even payola can't make your song #1 on pop radio if people aren't here for it (as with Look What You Made Me Do). But they pushed the singles as far as they could on radio, and they heavily discounted them. I mean... Honey, My All, Heartbreaker,Thank God I Found You, Loverboy, Don't Forget About Us. All of those #1 singles (and Loverboy) were very unorganic and forced by the label. That's the reason they peaked and then fastly dropped. I mean... look at their year-end chart positions. They all charted very low compared to Mariah real and organic #1's. (Fantasy, One Sweet Day, Always Be My Baby, Vision of Love, We Belong Together, Hero, etc.) Sis, are you even serious? All those songs were sales driven despite low airplay not because people didn't like them, they obviously did since they are all platinum or 2x platinum coming off 4x platinum and 3x platinum albums. It's just radio didn't like Mariah's new image and sound. A reverse Taylor Swift 1989 era tea All the songs you listed minus Loverboy reached #1 being sales-driven without a discount during the peak position Edited October 6, 2017 by doonerr
Rated Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 1 minute ago, doonerr said: Sis, are you even serious? All those songs were sales driven despite low airplay not because people didn't like them, they obviously did since they are all platinum or 2x platinum coming off 4x platinum and 3x platinum albums. It's just radio didn't like Mariah's new image and sound. A reverse Taylor Swift 1989 era tea All hit songs you listed despite Loverboy reached #1 being sales-driven without a discount during the peak position Loverboy could be #1, because it was the best-selling week of 2001, but radio was weak, when Bootylicious reched the top on sales and airplay.
Mr. Adele Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 14 minutes ago, SlaylorSwift said: Telling me sure when you appeared in more Taylor Swift's thread than most swifties If you say so Not gonna waste my time arguing with you, specially in a chart thread. This is off topic and unnecessary. OP: Do you guys think 1-800 will hit #1 on pop radio?
Rated Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Just now, Mr. Adele said: OP: Do you guys think 1-800 will hit #1 on pop radio? It will #1 not only on Pop, but overall too. Probably after two week.
Mr. Adele Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Just now, Rated said: It will #1 not only on Pop, but overall too. Probably after two week. Oh wow Thanks for the answer!
Letters From Adi Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 33 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said: The discounts and payola are giving me Butterfly and Rainbow era vibes (The label needed Mariah to be #1, no matter what) nah, that was Mottola. Butterfly could've been possibly another #1 she missed because Mottola refused to release it in physical.
Blue Honeymoon Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 1 minute ago, doonerr said: Sis, are you even serious? All those songs were sales driven despite low airplay not because people didn't like them, they obviously did since they are all platinum or 2x platinum coming off 4x platinum and 3x platinum albums. It's just radio didn't like Mariah's new image and sound. A reverse Taylor Swift 1989 era tea All hit songs you listed despite Loverboy reached #1 being sales-driven without a discount during the peak position They sold well because they were heavily discounted. I mean... there are many articles that have analyzed Mariah's cheap tactics. Just an example: "In the 1990s and early 2000s, Billboard‘s Hot 100 was primarily tabulated based on sales. Most singles cost $2.99. When Mariah Carey’s career started to lose steam, her singles were discounted to 49 cents. Fox News explained how Mariah turned chart flops into chart toppers with this type of manipulation" "In mid-1997, Mariah released the song “Honey,” which was not doing so well on the radio, at least not as well as expected. Call out research on the song was only average. However, when Sony discounted the song to 49 cents, the song immediately hit No. 1. Sony and Billboard were trying to give an illusion that Mariah was still a chart-topper, and it worked to a certain extent. In the spring of 1998, Mariah released another “No. 1” song, “My All,” which would have only been a top 10 hit had it not been discounted for 49 cents. The same could be said for future Mariah Carey “No. 1” songs such as “Heartbreaker” and “Thank God I Found You.”"
Rated Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Letters From Adi said: nah, that was Mottola. Butterfly could've been possibly another #1 she missed because Mottola refused to release it in physical. Butterfly could be real #1, because single's Billboard component charts positions are better than every song from this album has.
Letters From Adi Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said: They sold well because they were heavily discounted. I mean... there are many articles that have analyzed Mariah's cheap tactics. Just an example: "In the 1990s and early 2000s, Billboard‘s Hot 100 was primarily tabulated based on sales. Most singles cost $2.99. When Mariah Carey’s career started to lose steam, her singles were discounted to 49 cents. Fox News explained how Mariah turned chart flops into chart toppers with this type of manipulation" "In mid-1997, Mariah released the song “Honey,” which was not doing so well on the radio, at least not as well as expected. Call out research on the song was only average. However, when Sony discounted the song to 49 cents, the song immediately hit No. 1. Sony and Billboard were trying to give an illusion that Mariah was still a chart-topper, and it worked to a certain extent. In the spring of 1998, Mariah released another “No. 1” song, “My All,” which would have only been a top 10 hit had it not been discounted for 49 cents. The same could be said for future Mariah Carey “No. 1” songs such as “Heartbreaker” and “Thank God I Found You.”" Not that reposted Examiner article again. You can clearly say he's far from being a fan of Mariah just by the language Discounts cannot make a song go from just Top 10 to #1. If someone doesn't like the song, they won't purchase irregardless. Practices like these were commonplace. Discounting has been going on for decades even before she came and even well after her peak and will continue to be. Every artist that has amassed multiple #1s or massive sellers has used some trick in one way or another.
taylor__fan Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Blue Honeymoon said: Not everybody does that. For example, all of Katheryn's #1's are legit, and you can see that by their sales and chart performance. CTTR flopped, and the label didn't go for ridiculous payola trying to get a hit when the GP clearly said "no" Well you dont even know if they pushed them ior not, if the songis huge in radio, they use it for it to last more at the top, but it happends with maaany songs anyway, including all from taylor, including her country times Even in the country billboard report of the week you could see ads saying final push this week for songs that were peaking, every week for different songs, including for example Mean, sparks fly and ours (that i remember) Edited October 6, 2017 by taylor__fan
teamlor Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?VIEWID=&GRC=C Look's still not on the pop callout Feel It Still
taylor__fan Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, teamlor said: http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?VIEWID=&GRC=C Look's still not on the pop callout Feel It Still The lack of taste is real Feel it still is excellent
Inner Insanity Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 The three best songs at the bottom The GP taste is absolutely tragic.
butterflysupreme Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 I get why people don’t like FIS. It gets old very quickly and is extremely repetitive
butterflysupreme Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 I get why people don’t like FIS. It gets old very quickly and is extremely repetitive
potent Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 1 hour ago, butterflysupreme said: I get why people don’t like FIS. It gets old very quickly and is extremely repetitive I mean I like it but yeah this Praying too, her voice gets so annoying by the end
Fruity Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Sorry but Look not meeting the familiarity is weird now
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