poll Bigger group: aespa vs Stray Kids

[Pluto6]

4 minutes ago, newaespa said:

SKZ fans still bumping this thread so that people will get to know them 

 

go take a damn bath omfg

Says the person who posts about LE SSERAFIM 24/7, despite claiming to dislike them 

 

 

Edited March 21 by Pluto6

[Pluto6]

21 minutes ago, K$Ellie said:

yeah i didn't read the meltdown and you made a thread asking our opinion and now you're mad that people are disagreeing, speaking of trying to cope 

I just had to check you, when you tried the "mass sales" narrative with SKZ and putting them on the same boat as NCT

Edited March 21 by Pluto6

[newaespa]

1 minute ago, Pluto6 said:

Says the person who posts about LE SSERAFIM 24/7 

 

 

 

 

 

Spotify being a weak metrics for aespa but yet they have more monthly listener than SKZ (despite skz having a comeback on December)

[Eternium]

16 hours ago, newaespa said:

 

 

 

Spotify being a weak metrics for aespa but yet they have more monthly listener than SKZ (despite skz having a comeback on December)

SKZ's latest comeback was actually today, sis. You just haven't heard of it because you're a member of the GP  

17 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

It's so funny seeing y'all gg stans trying to cope whenever a bg is more successful than your faves, especially when media, music experts and most importantly objective numbers are right in of you

 

 

I just gave you multiple reasons as to why SKZ are absolutely destroying aespa in popularity and in terms of demand while you're just saying "well aespa are more popular in Korea" as if even AOA isn't out charting  SKZ as well, which shows how little influence the Korean market can have on groups who isn't dependent on it 

 

The irony here is palpable. Like legit laughing at this. And to claim other people are coping  

17 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

Putting SKZ on the same tier as NCT is the reason why some of you gg stans really need to stop saying things about bgs, especially if you are clueless about the topic, since SKZ are literally out streaming every NCT unit combined 

 

And saying SKZ's success are just the result of "mass buying" is insane, when they are the 3rd Kpop act with the most career streams across all platforms, just after BTS and BLACKPINK.

That would be TWICE. If you're going to speak on stats, then know them.

 

SKZ's biggest song on YT Music: God's Menu - 635M

Some of TWICE's biggest songs: What Is Love? - 1.1B, The Feels - 884M, I Can't Stop Me - 971M, Fancy - 1B, Feel Special - 747M, Cheer Up - 778M, TT - 921M, Like Ooh-Ah - 739M, Likey - 833M, Yes or Yes - 642M

 

I have a feeling that you do the bare minimum with stats and that's why you're constantly wrong.

23 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

The way aespa aren't even top 5 or even top 10 in most metrics

Anyways, bookmarked 

Which metrics are Aespa struggling in? I'd LOVE to hear from you

 

#12 Hanteo all-time for all artists

#2 Hanteo all-time for female artists

#3 Gaon all-time for female artists

#12 Gaon all-time for all artists

#4 most Circle points ever for a female group

#5 most Cicle points ever for a group

Their touring is outpacing SKZ's and, even with SKZ set to have a big tour later this year, Aespa are still set to outgross them in the same time frame.

[Pluto6]

5 hours ago, Eternium said:

SKZ's latest comeback was actually today, sis. You just haven't heard of it because you're a member of the GP  

It was literally a mixtape for their 7th anniversary debut? Not an actual comeback lol 

 

5 hours ago, Eternium said:

That would be TWICE. If you're going to speak on stats, then know them.

 

SKZ's biggest song on YT Music: God's Menu - 635M

Some of TWICE's biggest songs: What Is Love? - 1.1B, The Feels - 884M, I Can't Stop Me - 971M, Fancy - 1B, Feel Special - 747M, Cheer Up - 778M, TT - 921M, Like Ooh-Ah - 739M, Likey - 833M, Yes or Yes - 642M

 

I have a feeling that you do the bare minimum with stats and that's why you're constantly wrong.

 

SKZ have surpassed TWICE on Spotify and will surpass TWICE when all platforms combined in a few days. 

 

If you're going to speak on stats, then know them. 

 

5 hours ago, Eternium said:

Which metrics are Aespa struggling in? I'd LOVE to hear from you

 

#12 Hanteo all-time for all artists

#2 Hanteo all-time for female artists

#3 Gaon all-time for female artists

#12 Gaon all-time for all artists

#4 most Circle points ever for a female group

#5 most Cicle points ever for a group

Did I say that aespa was struggling? I just said that they aren't top 10 in most metrics, which you just proved to me now. 

 

Anyways let's look at SKZ in different metrics:

 

#3 Hanteo all-time for all artists

#3 Gaon all-time for all artists

#3 most streamed Kpop act of all time across all platforms combined

#1 Most attended Kpop tour of all time

#1 Biggest Kpop tour in Europe

#1 Biggest Kpop tour in LATAM

#2 best selling Kpop artist in The US

#2 most RIAA certified artist in the US

#1 Kpop artist with most #1 entries on Billboard 200 (they are the first artist in history, to have all of their first 6 charting albums debuting at #1)

#7 Best selling Kpop act in Japan

#1 longest charting single by a foreign act in Japan in Oricon history

 

5 hours ago, Eternium said:

Their touring is outpacing SKZ's and, even with SKZ set to have a big tour later this year, Aespa are still set to outgross them in the same time frame.

No, they are not 

 

The fact that you're constantly comparing aespa's tour, which is 4 years into their career, with SKZ's cancelled world tour from just 1 year into their career, and you're calling it their 2nd world tour. This shows how desperate you are to make aespa seem bigger 

 

You know very well that SKZ's touring situation is far more nuanced than what you're presenting. They faced obstacles and couldn't complete a full-scale world tour until 2022, which is why they suddenly managed to gross over $100 million between 2022-2023.

 

The Maniac Tour in 2022 was more them testing waters, marking their first world tour since the cancellation of their initial one. Just a few months later, they did a mini Dome Tour that almost outgrossed half of the Maniac Tour, even with 3X fewer dates and only in Japan. This shows that the Maniac Tour didn't fully reflect their true demand at the time, especially since SKZ skipped LATAM and Europe which are two of their biggest markets.

 

Fast forward to their ongoing tour, SKZ will make their LATAM debut performing in stadiums, bypassing smaller venues entirely.

The last time they performed in Europe was in 2019 as rookies for their showcase tour. Now, with their ongoing tour, they've gone from performing in theaters to jumping straight to stadiums, skipping arenas altogether. This massive jump from theaters to stadiums shows just how much revenue and gross they missed out on in previous years by not doing or being prevented from doing full tours in these key regions earlier.

 

This is also why groups like ENHYPEN recently managed to outgross SKZ's Maniac Tour, even though they don't actually have a bigger demand. In general, 4th-gen boy groups are much stronger touring acts than 4th-gen girl groups and the gap is huge. There isn't a 4th-gen girl group with the same touring power as BLACKPINK or TWICE.

Stop trying to make aespa seem like a bigger touring act than what they actually are lol. Like aespa can't even compete with ENHYPEN, TXT or ATEEZ in touring for example.

 

Anyways SKZ are about to DESTROY 4th gen with their ongoing DominATE tour 

 

 

 

Edited March 22 by Pluto6

[Eternium]

3 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

It was literally a mixtape for their 7th anniversary debut? Not an actual comeback lol 

 

 

SKZ have surpassed TWICE on Spotify and will surpass TWICE when all platforms combined in a few days. 

 

If you're going to speak on stats, then know them. 

 

Did I say that aespa was struggling? I just said that they aren't top 10 in most metrics, which you just proved to me now. 

 

Anyways let's look at SKZ in different metrics:

 

#3 Hanteo all-time for all artists

#3 Gaon all-time for all artists

#3 most streamed Kpop act of all time across all platforms combined

#1 Most attended Kpop tour of all time

#1 Biggest Kpop tour in Europe

#1 Biggest Kpop tour in LATAM

#2 best selling Kpop artist in The US

#2 most RIAA certified artist in the US

#1 Kpop artist with most #1 entries on Billboard 200 (they are the first artist in history, to have all of their first 6 charting albums debuting at #1)

#7 Best selling Kpop act in Japan

#1 longest charting single by a foreign act in Japan in Oricon history

 

No, they are not 

 

The fact that you're constantly comparing aespa's tour, which is 4 years into their career, with SKZ's cancelled world tour from just 1 year into their career, and you're calling it their 2nd world tour. This shows how desperate you are to make aespa seem bigger 

 

You know very well that SKZ's touring situation is far more nuanced than what you're presenting. They faced obstacles and couldn't complete a full-scale world tour until 2022, which is why they suddenly managed to gross over $100 million between 2022-2023.

 

The Maniac Tour in 2022 was more them testing waters, marking their first world tour since the cancellation of their initial one. Just a few months later, they did a mini Dome Tour that almost outgrossed half of the Maniac Tour, even with 3X fewer dates and only in Japan. This shows that the Maniac Tour didn't fully reflect their true demand at the time, especially since SKZ skipped LATAM and Europe which are two of their biggest markets.

 

Fast forward to their ongoing tour, SKZ will make their LATAM debut performing in stadiums, bypassing smaller venues entirely.

The last time they performed in Europe was in 2019 as rookies for their showcase tour. Now, with their ongoing tour, they've gone from performing in theaters to jumping straight to stadiums, skipping arenas altogether. This massive jump from theaters to stadiums shows just how much revenue and gross they missed out on in previous years by not doing or being prevented from doing full tours in these key regions earlier.

 

This is also why groups like ENHYPEN recently managed to outgross SKZ's Maniac Tour, even though they don't actually have a bigger demand. In general, 4th-gen boy groups are much stronger touring acts than 4th-gen girl groups and the gap is huge. There isn't a 4th-gen girl group with the same touring power as BLACKPINK or TWICE.

Stop trying to make aespa seem like a bigger touring act than what they actually are lol. Like aespa can't even compete with ENHYPEN, TXT or ATEEZ in touring for example.

 

Anyways SKZ are about to DESTROY 4th gen with their ongoing DominATE tour 

 

 

 

"Giant (Korean Ver)" is a title track, sis. They even spelled it out in their promotional materials. 
 

Can you go ahead and post SKZ's streams on all platforms? They're bombing on Melon, Apple Music, Genie, YouTube Music, etc. so I don't see how they could possibly surpass TWICE. TWICE have 3.1B Melon streams, 1B Genie streams, 9.6B Spotify streams and  almost 20B streams on YT Music. Stray Kids can't compete with that.

 

Your numbers aren't even correct. You're counting a tour that hasn't even started yet and you're just making up streaming numbers. Like, come on, girl. I counted out 10B streams for you and did an entire inventory of Aespa's streams. Let's see you post SKZ's actual streams instead of using ChartMaster's tool which they don't even use for their studies because they know it's just an estimate.

 

I'm comparing Aespa's first two tours and first four years to SKZ's first four tours and seven and a half years. As of today, SKZ have only grossed $100M on tour. Aespa are already over $70M. Aespa faced the same challenges with COVID and still rose above it. 
 

Also, I'm cackling at you saying Aespa can't compete with these boy groups, not posting Aespa's numbers and then posting a boy-groups-only touring Tweet and it shows only one of those boy groups outgrossing Aespa  

 

Anyways, SKZ are about to bomb with another title track that's currently being outcharted by six Aespa singles. And Aespa's about to comeback with another title track bigger than every SKZ song ever.

[TaylenaStan]

idc about inflated album sales which land in the trash, aespa is bigger, better, more talented etc etc 

Edited March 22 by TaylenaStan

[Pluto6]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

Can you go ahead and post SKZ's streams on all platforms? They're bombing on Melon, Apple Music, Genie, YouTube Music, etc. so I don't see how they could possibly surpass TWICE. TWICE have 3.1B Melon streams, 1B Genie streams, 9.6B Spotify streams and  almost 20B streams on YT Music. Stray Kids can't compete with that.

Saying that SKZ are bombing on Youtube Music is insane, when they have more streams than aespa on the platform, despite not have inflated numbers like adspa.

Apple Music doesn't disclose their numbers either.

 

I am TWICE stan myself, and SKZ are definitely on their way to surpass them. They have already surpassed them in global audio streams, sales and will have a bigger tour than them. Though TWICE are still ahead of them in Asia overall.

 

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

Your numbers aren't even correct. You're counting a tour that hasn't even started yet and you're just making up streaming numbers. Like, come on, girl. I counted out 10B streams for you and did an entire inventory of Aespa's streams. Let's see you post SKZ's actual streams instead of using ChartMaster's tool which they don't even use for their studies because they know it's just an estimate.

 

How am I making up streaming numbers when I'm literally pointing out where I got the numbers from??  It's literally you claiming that aespa has 10B streams without any source, while I literally linked a very known tool (ChartMasters) backing up my claim. Stop downplaying ChartMasters, just because it make your faves look like flops in comparison to SKZ 

Let's remember that SKZ have more streams on Spotify alone (10,1B) than aespa does across all platforms (MelOn + Genie+ Naver + Spotify + YouTube music, Apple Music etc.) combined  

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

I'm comparing Aespa's first two tours and first four years to SKZ's first four tours and seven and a half years. As of today, SKZ have only grossed $100M on tour. Aespa are already over $70M. Aespa faced the same challenges with COVID and still rose above it. 

And as I told you before, they managed to gross $100M between 2022-2023, which is something aespa will never be able to do. This is why you are so focused on comparing SKZ showcase tour and cancelled world tour during their rookie years to aespa's world tours that happened after they managed to establish themselves years into their career post Covid. 

This just shows how much SKZ are actually bigger than aespa lol. 

 

Let's wait and see if aespa manages to have a tour outgrossing their Maniac tour first or if they can gross $100M between 2024-2025, like SKZ did between 2022-2023.

Heck, let's even say aespa were to outgross Maniac tour in the future. Do you seriously believe that aespa in the future will ever be able to do pull the same numbers as SKZ are pulling now with their DominATE tour??? 

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

Also, I'm cackling at you saying Aespa can't compete with these boy groups, not posting Aespa's numbers and then posting a boy-groups-only touring Tweet and it shows only one of those boy groups outgrossing Aespa  

Well cause they can't  The thing is that the top 6 most grossed 4th gen tours so far are only bgs  TXT, ATEEZ and ENHYPEN (who literally debuted in the same month as a aespa), are all completely destroying aespa in touring as well. aespa simply aren't the touring girls you want them to be sadly. 

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

6 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

 

"Giant (Korean Ver)" is a title track, sis. They even spelled it out in their promotional materials. 

It's labelled a title track for a mixtape. Like it's literally a Korean version of a Japanese song that they released in 2024 and it doesn't even have an MV or is it promoted. This mixtape project is not a commercial release and is celebration of their 7th debut anniversary, that they will also perform at their LATAM leg tour. 

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

Anyways, SKZ are about to bomb with another title track that's currently being outcharted by six Aespa singles. And Aespa's about to comeback with another title track bigger than every SKZ song ever.

 

Stay tuned for when SKZ releases 2 albums this year and how they will keep widen the gap between them and aespa  Heck even if they weren't to release any music this year, they would still out stream aespa daily, who can't even chart on Spotify Global Artist Daily 

 

 

1 hour ago, TaylenaStan said:

idc about inflated album sales which land in the trash, aespa is bigger, better, more talented etc etc 

Do you care about streams, tour gross. etc.?  

 

And saying that aespa are more talented than SKZ, is definitely an opinion 

 

 

Edited March 22 by Pluto6

[Eternium]

4 hours ago, TaylenaStan said:

idc about inflated album sales which land in the trash, aespa is bigger, better, more talented etc etc 

Oh, drag them. SKZ are struggling outside of StationHead and bulk buys. 

3 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

Saying that SKZ are bombing on Youtube Music is insane, when they have more streams than aespa on the platform, despite not have inflated numbers like adspa.

Apple Music doesn't disclose their numbers either.

 

I am TWICE stan myself, and SKZ are definitely on their way to surpass them. They have already surpassed them in global audio streams, sales and will have a bigger tour than them. Though TWICE are still ahead of them in Asia overall.

 

 

 

How am I making up streaming numbers when I'm literally pointing out where I got the numbers from??  It's literally you claiming that aespa has 10B streams without any source, while I literally linked a very known tool (ChartMasters) backing up my claim. Stop downplaying ChartMasters, just because it make your faves look like flops in comparison to SKZ 

Let's remember that SKZ have more streams on Spotify alone (10,1B) than aespa does across all platforms (MelOn + Genie+ Naver + Spotify + YouTube music, Apple Music etc.) combined  

 

And as I told you before, they managed to gross $100M between 2022-2023, which is something aespa will never be able to do. This is why you are so focused on comparing SKZ showcase tour and cancelled world tour during their rookie years to aespa's world tours that happened after they managed to establish themselves years into their career post Covid. 

This just shows how much SKZ are actually bigger than aespa lol. 

 

Let's wait and see if aespa manages to have a tour outgrossing their Maniac tour first or if they can gross $100M between 2024-2025, like SKZ did between 2022-2023.

Heck, let's even say aespa were to outgross Maniac tour in the future. Do you seriously believe that aespa in the future will ever be able to do pull the same numbers as SKZ are pulling now with their DominATE tour??? 

 

Well cause they can't  The thing is that the top 6 most grossed 4th gen tours so far are only bgs  TXT, ATEEZ and ENHYPEN (who literally debuted in the same month as a aespa), are all completely destroying aespa in touring as well. aespa simply aren't the touring girls you want them to be sadly. 

 

It's labelled a title track for a mixtape. Like it's literally a Korean version of a Japanese song that they released in 2024 and it doesn't even have an MV or is it promoted. This mixtape project is not a commercial release and is celebration of their 7th debut anniversary, that they will also perform at their LATAM leg tour. 

 

 

Stay tuned for when SKZ releases 2 albums this year and how they will keep widen the gap between them and aespa  Heck even if they weren't to release any music this year, they would still out stream aespa daily, who can't even chart on Spotify Global Artist Daily 

 

 

Do you care about streams, tour gross. etc.?  

 

And saying that aespa are more talented than SKZ, is definitely an opinion 

 

 

SKZ's peak on YouTube Music: God's Menu - 635M (2,698 days)

Aespa's peak on YouTube Music : Next Level - 707M (1,586 days)

 

Yeah, SKZ are not doing well in comparison on YouTube Music. If you look at their Spotify, you'd expect so much more. But when you remember that their Spotify streams all come from the same accounts abusing Stationhead, it makes sense.

 

SKZ will definitely never surpass TWICE because they're failing to crossover on major platforms. They're bombing on YT Music, Melon, Genie, Apple Music, etc. Sure, the Spotify is being propped up by a massive fanbase, but that's not enough. And they're past their peak ages and about to start hitting enlistments while TWICE are still releasing.

 

ChartMasters is a secondary source for data. You were informed that the tool on ChartMasters is an estimate and that MJDangerous (the site owner) doesn't even use it when doing deep dives because it is not accurate for all artists across all demographics. It just applies a very standard formula for Caucasian, Spotify-driven artists. So knowing that those numbers aren't correct, you're still trying to pass them off as the end-all-be-all because you have no grasp of how ChartMasters works.

 

I literally counted out 10.7B streams for Aespa for you above using PRIMARY SOURCES. Go ahead and go through those numbers and clock me directly using YouTube Music, Spotify, Melon and Genie? Wanna know the real gag? My numbers are now too low and underestimated.  You have to use a secondary source's tool that creates an estimate that the site literally warns you isn't correct, but now you want to claim that Spotify, YTM, Melon and Genie are somehow lying in Aespa's favor? And somehow you STILL can't provide SKZ's actual streams for us? That's odd.

 

You're excluding girl groups because they aren't posting their boxscores. It's crazy that you're so obsessed with touring yet you have no idea how it works  I guess you didn't need to know because your fave barely hit $100M after 7 years. My fave will hit that next year.

 

SKZ just released a title track for a digital EP (which is more than my faves got for 20% of their title tracks which were only digital singles). It being a Korean version of a Japanese song isn't an excuse - SNSD got a bigger hit than any SKZ song with "Mr. Taxi" despite it being released as a post-album single.

Unfortunately SKZ's two releases this year won't help. SKZ haven't had a title track outstream "Supernova" since its release and all of Aespa's title tracks in 2024 outstreamed all of SKZ's. We'll see a repeat this year and the considerably more talented group will win again  

[Pluto6]

8 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Oh, drag them. SKZ are struggling outside of StationHead and bulk buys. 

SKZ's peak on YouTube Music: God's Menu - 635M (2,698 days)

Aespa's peak on YouTube Music : Next Level - 707M (1,586 days)

 

Yeah, SKZ are not doing well in comparison on YouTube Music. If you look at their Spotify, you'd expect so much more. But when you remember that their Spotify streams all come from the same accounts abusing Stationhead, it makes sense.

 

SKZ will definitely never surpass TWICE because they're failing to crossover on major platforms. They're bombing on YT Music, Melon, Genie, Apple Music, etc. Sure, the Spotify is being propped up by a massive fanbase, but that's not enough. And they're past their peak ages and about to start hitting enlistments while TWICE are still releasing.

 

ChartMasters is a secondary source for data. You were informed that the tool on ChartMasters is an estimate and that MJDangerous (the site owner) doesn't even use it when doing deep dives because it is not accurate for all artists across all demographics. It just applies a very standard formula for Caucasian, Spotify-driven artists. So knowing that those numbers aren't correct, you're still trying to pass them off as the end-all-be-all because you have no grasp of how ChartMasters works.

 

I literally counted out 10.7B streams for Aespa for you above using PRIMARY SOURCES. Go ahead and go through those numbers and clock me directly using YouTube Music, Spotify, Melon and Genie? Wanna know the real gag? My numbers are now too low and underestimated.  You have to use a secondary source's tool that creates an estimate that the site literally warns you isn't correct, but now you want to claim that Spotify, YTM, Melon and Genie are somehow lying in Aespa's favor? And somehow you STILL can't provide SKZ's actual streams for us? That's odd.

 

You're excluding girl groups because they aren't posting their boxscores. It's crazy that you're so obsessed with touring yet you have no idea how it works  I guess you didn't need to know because your fave barely hit $100M after 7 years. My fave will hit that next year.

 

SKZ just released a title track for a digital EP (which is more than my faves got for 20% of their title tracks which were only digital singles). It being a Korean version of a Japanese song isn't an excuse - SNSD got a bigger hit than any SKZ song with "Mr. Taxi" despite it being released as a post-album single.

Unfortunately SKZ's two releases this year won't help. SKZ haven't had a title track outstream "Supernova" since its release and all of Aespa's title tracks in 2024 outstreamed all of SKZ's. We'll see a repeat this year and the considerably more talented group will win again  

I can't take you serious using YouTube for aespa, when they are the Kpop act with most inflated streams after BABYMONSTER, since youtube MV's with ads are also counted towards YouTube Music numbers. 

 

And as I  also mentioned in the Kpop thread, SKZ just ended aespa with a MIXTAPE with 4 new songs, like I don't need any excuses don't worry  

 

Edited March 22 by Pluto6

[Eternium]

4 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

I can't take you serious using YouTube for aespa, when they are the Kpop act with most inflated streams after BABYMONSTER, since youtube MV's with ads are also counted towards YouTube Music numbers. 

 

And as I  also mentioned in the Kpop thread, SKZ just ended aespa with a MIXTAPE with 4 new songs, like I don't need any excuses don't worry  

 

This is extra funny because the site who makes up non-organic YouTube views, Soridata, actually had Chk Chk Boom at more inorganic views than any Aespa songs last year. Like, girl……   You really don't know what you're talking about.

 

SKZ's latest era has five promoted songs and they did music videos for them all. I wish them a ton of luck in surpassing Whiplash's streams - they're going to need it after that terrible global debut.

 

Btw, when are you going to post SKZ's Spotify, YouTube Music, Melon and Genie numbers? I'm still waiting.

[Pluto6]

12 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Btw, when are you going to post SKZ's Spotify, YouTube Music, Melon and Genie numbers? I'm still waiting.

I don't even need to post anything other than Spotify numbers, since SKZ'S Spotify numbers alone are bigger than aespa's numbers across all platforms combined as I have told you hundred of times. If I also were to include YouTube music and other platforms it would be a massacre 

 

Edited March 22 by Pluto6

[Pluto6]

17 minutes ago, Eternium said:

This is extra funny because the site who makes up non-organic YouTube views, Soridata, actually had Chk Chk Boom at more inorganic views than any Aespa songs last year. Like, girl……   You really don't know what you're talking about.

While that site is not 100 % accurate, it does give you a picture of who uses a lot of ads and not, with aespa having around 15 % ad views in their career, while SKZ only has 4 % even though SKZ are releasing way more MV's than aespa.

 

 

Edited March 22 by Pluto6

[Eternium]

32 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

I don't even need to post anything other than Spotify numbers, since SKZ'S Spotify numbers alone are bigger than aespa's numbers across all platforms combined as I have told you hundred of times. If I also were to include YouTube music and other platforms it would be a massacre 

 

 

On 3/13/2025 at 8:06 PM, Eternium said:

@Pluto6 I went ahead and compiled all of Aespa's streams for you. Feel free to take a look.

 

Black Mamba (Digital Single)

 

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Black Mamba - 272,875,198 S / 557M YTM / 22,358,600 G / 71,053,542 M = 923,287,340 total

Black Mamba (Girls Album) - 240,910 G / 1,531,016 M = 1,771,926 total

Total: 925,059,266

 

Next Level (Digital Single)

 

  Reveal hidden contents

Next Level - 282,335,508 S / 709M YTM / 86,728,406 G / 226,873,167 M = 1,304,937,081 total

Next Level (Habstrakt Remix) - 4,119,505 S / 3.8M YTM / 287,996 G / 906,407 M = 9,113,908

Next Level (IMLAY Remix) - 2,304,817 S / 577k YTM / 96,738 G / 377,161 M = 3,355,716 total

Next Level (Lionclad Remix) - 1,870,681 S / 356k YTM / 70,686 G / 235,711 M = 2,533,078 total

 

Total: 1,319,939,783

 

Savage (1st Mini Album)

 

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Savage - 264,228,836 S / 519M YTM / 36,667,515 G / 114,642,977 M = 934,539,328 total

Aenergy - 63,007,884 S / 17M YTM / 2,191,899 G / 10,133,345 M = 92,333,128 total

I'll Make You Cry - 22,448,860 S / 7.5M YTM / 826,848 G / 4,045,931 M = 34,821,639 total

YEPPI YEPPI - 37,675,471 S / 23M YTM / 2,848,800 G / 13,274,027 M = 76,798,298 total

ICONIC - 36,707,009 S / 12M YTM / 1,236,957 G / 6,039,768 M = 55,983,734 total

Lucid Dream - 91,909,270 S / 20M YTM / 1,594,815 G / 7,471,146 M = 120,975,231 total

 

Total: 1,315,451,358

 

Girls (2nd Mini Album)

 

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Girls - 133,651,283 S / 281M YTM / 14,919,284 G / 56,138,847 M = 485,709,414 total

Illusion - 172,299,008 S / 176M YTM / 23,307,067 G / 70,340,287 M = 441,946,362 total

Lingo - 13,972,270 S / 5.5M YTM / 1,051,261 G / 4,947,686 M = 25,471,217 total

Life's Too Short - 12,241,510 S / 1,202,299 G / 5,071,264 M = 18,515,073 total

Life's Too Short (English Version) - 64,447,456 S / 105M YTM / 3,491,295 G / 19,130,045 M = 192,068,796 total

Life's Too Short (English Version) (Album Version) - 356,117 G / 1,107,857 M = 1,463,974 total

Life's Too Short (Instrumental) - 955,676 S / 670k YTM / 18,311 G / 136,288 M = 1,780,275 total

ICU - 13,351,647 S / 6.3M YTM / 925,245 G / 4,837,209 M = 25,414,101 total

Forever - 29,852,091 S / 74M YTM / 2,484,923 G / 12,812,911 M = 119,149,925 total

Forever (Album Version) - 154,630 G / 751,886 M = 906,516 total

Dreams Come True - 132,270,576 S / 221M YTM / 17,201,043 G / 65,008,825 M = 435,480,444 total

Dreams Come True (Album Version) - 205,408 G / 623,559 M = 828,967 total

Dreams Come True (SM Album Version) - 817,915 G / 1,479,608 = 2,297,523 total

Dreams Come True (Instrumental) - 3,476,905 S / 1.6M YTM / 44,190 G / 227,530 M = 5,348,625 total

Girls (BRLLNT Remix) - 1,188,968 S / 1.6M YTM / 134,494 G / 325,342 M = 3,248,804 total

Girls (Minit Remix) - 903,890 S / 475k YTM / 33,522 G / 260,569 M = 1,672,981 total

 

Total: 1,761,302,997

 

MY World (3rd Mini Album)

 

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Spicy - 182,183,871 S / 320M YTM / 39,778,287 G / 122,648,769 M = 664,610,927 total

Welcome to MY World - 46,706,749 S / 39M YTM / 1,723,495 G / 10,448,969 M = 97,879,213 total

Salty & Sweet - 33,997,297 S / 38M YTM / 3,256,283 G / 18,679,509 M = 93,933,089 total

Thirsty - 61,395,599 S / 78M YTM / 7,982,044 G / 36,820,954 M = 184,198,597 total

I'm Unhappy - 21,731,708 S / 23M YTM / 1,261,438 G / 7,079,021 M = 53,072,167 total

'Til We Meet Again - 12,102,183 S / 5.8M YTM / 703,095 G / 5,007,407 M = 23,612,685 total

Spicy (Nitepunk Remix) - 1,821,869 S / 559k YTM / 31,856 G / 113,957 M = 2,526,682 total

 

Total: 1,119,833,360

 

Drama (4th Mini Album)

 

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Drama - 349,929,070 S / 499M YTM / 26,347,126 G / 83,257,279 M = 958,533,475 total

Trick or Trick - 14,530,607 S / 6.9M YTM / 553,666 G / 3,672,946 M = 25,657,219 total

Don't Blink - 9,640,275 S / 3.8M YTM / 455,956 G / 2,835,655 M = 16,731,886 total

Hot Air Balloon - 8,037,163 S / 3.1M YTM / 487,131 G / 2,653,072 M = 14,277,366 total

YOLO - 7,070,809 S / 2.5M YTM / 429,509 G / 2,452,173 M = 12,452,491 total

You - 9,089,252 S / 5.5M YTM / 739,375 G / 3,825,691 M = 19,154,318 total

Better Things - 92,449,209 S / 135M YTM / 3,104,632 G / 17,273,322 M = 247,827,163 total

Better Things (Raye Remix) - 1,554,945 S / 2.6M YTM / 70,100 G / 157,990 M = 4,383,035 total

Better Things (Sped Up Version) - 1,341,666 S / 745k YTM / 21,930 G / 146,741 M = 2,255,337 total

Better Things (Tropkillaz Remix) - 877,067 S / 281k YTM / 78,950 G / 153,112 M = 1,390,129 total

Better Things (Snack Version) - 791,096 S / 100k YTM / 10,900 G / 106,246 M = 1,008,242 total

Better Things (Dance Remix) - 578,742 S / 154k YTM / 40,310 G / 194,400 M = 967,452 total

Better Things (Slowed Down Version) - 262,461 S / 184k YTM / 8,898 G / 39,352 M = 494,711 total

Drama (Sped Up Version) - 1,374,357 S / 1.8M YTM / 45,391 G / 199,704 M = 3,419,452 total

 

Total: 1,308,552,276

 

Armageddon (1st Full Album)

 

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Supernova - 273,188,410 S / 333M YTM / 42,166,684 G / 117,116,532 M = 765,471,626 total

Armageddon - 212,816,635 S / 268M YTM / 17,922,143 G / 59,620,231M = 558,359,009 total

Set The Tone - 14,479,890 S / 9.3M YTM / 954,435 G / 4,013,886 M = 28,748,211 total

Mine - 12,703,080 S / 4.3M YTM / 433,307 G / 2,189,201 M = 19,625,588 total

Licorice - 11,855,377 S / 3.8M YTM / 504,748 G / 2,452,416 M = 18,612,541 total

BAHAMA - 18,717,768 S / 7.3M YTM / 589,941 G / 3,469,885 M = 30,077,594 total

Long Chat (#<3) - 8,896,811 S / 7.9M YTM / 503,222 G / 2,635,911 M = 19,935,944 total

Prologue - 11,160,595 S / 9.5M YTM / 628,408 G / 3,185,734 M = 24,474,737 total

Live My Life - 31,141,375 S / 43M YTM / 4,674,544 G / 18,734,121 M = 97,550,040 total

Melody - 9,050,592 S / 4.4M YTM / 528,622 G / 2,680,280 M = 16,659,494 total

Supernova (Grimes Remix) - 1,534,758 S / 1.2M YTM / 86,957 G / 105,776 M = 2,927,491 total

Supernova (KENZIE RE:WORKS) - 1,109,838 S / 746k YTM / 46,344 G / 111,401 M = 2,013,583 total

Armageddon (Flava D Remix) - 678,743 S / 535k YTM / 5,696 G / 24,180 M = 1,243,619 total

Armageddon (2Spade Remix) - 663,660 S / 328k YTM / 11,188 G / 33,027 M = 1,035,875 total

Armageddon (Mount XLR Remix) - 491,281 S / 65k YTM / 3,909 G / 16,749 M = 576,939 total

 

Total: 1,587,312,291

 

Whiplash (5th Mini Album)

 

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Whiplash - 178,250,866 S / 276M YTM / 23,884,428 G / 64,491,575 M = 542,626,869 total

Kill It - 11,991,568 S / 6.9M YTM / 505,834 G / 2,547,850 M = 21,945,252 total

Flights, Not Feelings - 8,889,340 S / 4.3M YTM / 380,219 G / 2,267,972 M = 15,837,531 total

Pink Hoodie - 7,579,281 S / 4.2M YTM / 495,511 G / 2,406,436 M = 14,681,228 total

Flowers - 12,257,075 S / 8.1M YTM / 578,792 G / 2,608,772 M = 23,544,639 total

Just Another Girl - 7,226,452 S / 5M YTM / 399,478 G / 2,339,021 M = 14,964,951 total

Whiplash (monotostereo Remix) - 143,155 S / 97k YTM / 16,898 G / 22,964 M = 280,017 total

Flights, Not Feelings (Demicat Remix) - 12,511 S / 10k YTM / 1,135 G / 6,363 M = 30,009 total

 

Total: 633,910,496

 

Hot Mess (1st Japan Single)

 

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Hot Mess - 18,257,909 S / 36M YTM / 690,121 G / 2,982,094 M = 57,930,124 total

Sun and Moon - 7,071,385 S / 6.6M YTM / 81,742 G / 576,452 M = 14,329,579 total

ZOOM ZOOM - 9,659,223 S / 2.6M YTM / 59,760 G / 383,260 M = 12,702,243 total

ZOOM ZOOM (Album Version) - 46,959 G / 336,650 M = 383,609 total

 

Total: 85,345,555

 

SYNK: Parallel Line (Special Digital Single)

 

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Up (Karina Solo) - 100,429,194 S / 80M YTM / 15,039,313 G / 44,235,860 M = 239,704,367 total

 

Up (Karina Solo Coziest Remix) - 31,286 S / 27k YTM / 2,843 G / 12,295 M = 73,424 total

Dopamine (Giselle Solo) - 19,010,769 S / 8.6M YTM / 377,479 G / 1,924,193 M = 29,912,441 total

Bored! (Ningning Solo) - 15,124,308 S / 7.4M YTM / 437,268 G / 2,112,948 M = 25,074,524 total

Spark (Winter Solo) - 17,768,420 S / 11M YTM / 882,381 G / 4,292,920 M = 33,943,721 total

Spark (Winter Solo 2Spade Remix) - 191,512 S / 50k YTM / 3,124 G / 8,176 M = 252,812 total

 

 

Total: 328,961,289

 

Orphan Tracks

 

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Hold On Tight - 141,308,956 S / 59M YTM / 1,876,465 G / 6,802,636 M = 208,988,057 total

 

Hold On Tight (Album Version) - 138,916 G / 2,256,027 M = 2,394,943 total

Beautiful Christmas - 11,639,125 S / 30M YTM / 1,510,117 G / 6,590,003 M = 49,739,245 total

Jingle Bell Rock - 10,611,698 / 8.6M YTM / 1,102,510 G / 5,117,191 M = 25,431,399 total

Jingle Bell Rock (Sped Up Version) - 394,412 S / 457k YTM / 39,401 G / 153,945 M = 1,044,758 total

We Go - 6,566,711 S / 3.7M YTM / 429,654 G / 1,333,108 M = 12,029,473 total

We Go (English Version) - 1,637,136 S / 571k YTM / 82,109 G / 201,904 M = 2,492,149 total

We Go (Instrumental) - 137,507 S / 84k YTM / 6,887 G / 27,722 M = 256,116 total

Regret of the Times - 4,743,147 S / 4.7M YTM / 512,240 G / 2,201,148 M = 12,156,535 total

Regret of the Times (Instrumental) - 247,626 S / 125k YTM / 4,330 G / 29,569 M = 406,525 total

Die Trying - 4,228,672 S / 1M YTM / 58,520 G / 174,311 M = 5,461,503 total

Die Trying (Album Version) - 3,473 G / 41,588 M = 45,061 total

Over You - 4,181,772 S / 567k YTM / 19,180 G / 99,100 M = 4,867,052 total

Over You (Album Deluxe) - 118 G / 1,700 M = 1,818 total

Rum Pum Pum Pum - 1,453,366 S / 3M YTM / 58,542 G / 242,573 M = 4,754,481 total

 

 

Total: 330,069,115

 

Spotify Total (3/8/25): 3,725,837,438

YouTube Music Total (Week of 3/2/25): 5,171,863,000

Genie Total (Week of 3/2/25): 427,432,892

Melon Total (Week of 3/2/25): 1,392,933,400

 

Discography Total: 10,718,066,730

This is literally the 16th time you've tried to peddle that lie  Like, give it UP, girl. Damn!

27 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

While that site is not 100 % accurate, it does give you a picture of who uses a lot of ads and not, with aespa having around 15 % ad views in their career, while SKZ only has 4 % even though SKZ are releasing way more MV's than aespa.

The exploit they use isn't accurate and it was confirmed years ago, girl  Even then, they confirmed that they didn't start using YT Chart data until 2023. And, would you look at that, they're claiming your fave had the most inorganic video in 2024. Like you realize you're undermining your fave's stats here, right?  

[FlauntYourTeeth]

Imagine saying stray dudz are gonna surpass twice. NEVER will they be able to lol. The absolute delusion

 

[Pluto6]

21 minutes ago, Eternium said:

 

This is literally the 16th time you've tried to peddle that lie  Like, give it UP, girl. Damn!

The exploit they use isn't accurate and it was confirmed years ago, girl  Even then, they confirmed that they didn't start using YT Chart data until 2023. And, would you look at that, they're claiming your fave had the most inorganic video in 2024. Like you realize you're undermining your fave's stats here, right?  

And yet SKZ's video from 2024 has more likes and comments than any aespa video from 2024  And SKZ did not have the most inorganic video of 2024 you liar 

 

Girl let's not forget aespa's iconic ad views run throughout their career, and why they are literally  nicknamed "adspa" lol. But at least they have simmed down on the ads 

SKZ's youtube numbers have always been bigger and way more organic than aespa's in general. It's insane how you're trying to remove aespa's ad history 

 

5 minutes ago, FlauntYourTeeth said:

Imagine saying stray dudz are gonna surpass twice. NEVER will they be able to lol. The absolute delusion

 

I have bad news for you...

 

Edited March 22 by Pluto6

[Namie-Knowles]

5 minutes ago, FlauntYourTeeth said:

Imagine saying stray dudz are gonna surpass twice. NEVER will they be able to lol. The absolute delusion

 

[Eternium]

20 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

And yet SKZ's video from 2024 has more likes and comments than any aespa video from 2024  And SKZ did not have the most inorganic video of 2024 you liar 

 

Girl let's not forget aespa's iconic ad views run throughout their career, and why they are literally  nicknamed "adspa" lol. But at least they have simmed down on the ads 

SKZ's youtube numbers have always been bigger and way more organic than aespa's in general. It's insane how you're trying to remove aespa's ad history 

 

I have bad news for you...

 

Girl, open the ******* link  Chk Chk Boom had 31M "inorganic" views according to the site. That's more than any other SKZ or Aespa song. And not commenting on likes and comments on a YouTube video. This isn't 2008 - normal people don't like and comment on YouTube videos at all. 
 

If we want to talk about actually organic streams, let's see where both artists rank in Circle Digital Chart points. South Korea is the only country in the world that weeds out fraudulent streams and autoplay. Aespa have 6.4B+ points and are climbing by 40M weekly. SKZ have yet to hit 500M  

 

Anyway, are you going to post SKZ's YTM, Melon and Genie numbers or what? We're waiting  

20 hours ago, FlauntYourTeeth said:

Imagine saying stray dudz are gonna surpass twice. NEVER will they be able to lol. The absolute delusion

 

He uses a tool on ChartMasters that isn't complete (and the site acknowledges that and warns you that it isn't) and then pretends they're real numbers when you can literally go into YTM, Spotify, Melon and Genie and pull out real numbers. So he's underestimating TWICE because SKZ have outdone them on one platform. He doesn't realize that there are 40+ platforms out there