poll Bigger group: aespa vs Stray Kids

[Odette Violet]

21 hours ago, Papi Juancho said:

Stray Kidz are doing stadiums in Latinamerica while Aespa can't even sell arenas, so... the boys 

the blatant lies

 

 

 

 

SKZ remains talentless and irrelevant outside their pann girls 

[Mitsuki]

21 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Because the numbers were proven wrong multiple times over.

 

This was all that needed to be said. My faves are significantly ahead of yours at 4 years in and are growing at a significant rate. Go ahead and prove me wrong. Post your faves on Spotify after 1,574 days. Let me know what your faves grossed on tour after 1,574 days. 
 

On top of that, Supernova is the biggest global hit from either group. The second biggest? Whiplash. The third biggest? Armageddon. 
 

I'll just let it go and wish your faves luck that their new single this month can finally become their first to surpass Armageddon  

According to this logic is safe to say RIIZE will become bigger than BTS because they had a bigger start 

[Pluto6]

15 hours ago, Eternium said:

Because the numbers were proven wrong multiple times over.

 

This was all that needed to be said. My faves are significantly ahead of yours at 4 years in and are growing at a significant rate. Go ahead and prove me wrong. Post your faves on Spotify after 1,574 days. Let me know what your faves grossed on tour after 1,574 days. 
 

On top of that, Supernova is the biggest global hit from either group. The second biggest? Whiplash. The third biggest? Armageddon. 
 

I'll just let it go and wish your faves luck that their new single this month can finally become their first to surpass Armageddon  

Sales:

Stray Kids - 31M

aespa - 8,8M

 

Streams across all platforms:

Stray Kids - 21,5B

aespa - 9,2B

 

(Stray Kids have 10B streams from Spotify alone, which is more than aespa total numbers across all platforms (9,2B) such as Spotify + YouTube + Apple Music + MelOn etc. combined)

 

Social media followers (IG + Twitter + TikTok combined):

Stray Kids - 71M

aespa - 35,5M

 

Billboard 200 

Stray Kids - 6 consecutive #1 albums

aespa - highest peak #3 (almost 3 years ago)

 

Billboard Hot 100

Stray Kids - 3 entries (highest peak #49)

aespa - 0 entries (not even bubbling under)

 

RIAA certifications 

Stray Kids - 9

aespa - 0

 

Charting in most countries across the world (both albums and singles) = Stray Kids

 

Tour gross: 

SKZ - Will have the biggest tour by a Kpop act so far

aespa - can't even surpass SKZ's 2nd world tour

 

14 hours ago, Odette Violet said:

SKZ remains talentless and irrelevant outside their pann girls 

 

 

Calling SKZ talentless is insane, when they are better live performers, better rappers, better dancers, can write and produce music. They have also literally build a reputation of being one of the best performers in the Kpop industry, unlike aespa who are constantly getting dragged for their lipsynching performances and lack of energy. They are not the same 

 

And calling them irrelevant is also insane, when their brand is bigger than aespa's, and them also being more popular than aespa almost everywhere 

 

Edited March 11 by Pluto6

[Eternium]

10 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

Sales:

Stray Kids - 31M

aespa - 8,8M

 

Streams across all platforms:

Stray Kids - 21,5B

aespa - 9,2B

 

(Stray Kids have 10B streams from Spotify alone, which is more than aespa total numbers across all platforms (9,2B) such as Spotify + YouTube + Apple Music + MelOn etc. combined)

 

Social media followers (IG + Twitter + TikTok combined):

Stray Kids - 71M

aespa - 35,5M

 

Billboard 200 

Stray Kids - 6 consecutive #1 albums

aespa - highest peak #3 (almost 3 years ago)

 

Billboard Hot 100

Stray Kids - 3 entries (highest peak #49)

aespa - 0 entries (not even bubbling under)

 

RIAA certifications 

Stray Kids - 9

aespa - 0

 

Charting in most countries across the world (both albums and singles) = Stray Kids

 

Tour gross: 

SKZ - Will have the biggest tour by a Kpop act so far

aespa - can't even surpass SKZ's 2nd world tour

 

Calling SKZ talentless is insane, when they are better live performers, better rappers, better dancers, can write and produce music. They have also literally build a reputation of being one of the best performers in the Kpop industry, unlike aespa who are constantly getting dragged for their lipsynching performances and lack of energy. They are not the same 

 

This is exactly why you keep getting dragged. As of the week of March 2nd, 2025, Aespa had 5,171,863,000 YouTube Music streams, 427,432,892 Genie streams and 1,392,933,400 Melon streams. That's 6,992,229,292 streams right there. The Kworb update from 3/9/25, Aespa had 3,723,261,679 Spotify streams. That's 10,715,490,971 streams for four platforms and it's not even accurate as of today's date. Please explain how they've spent months at #1 on platforms like Naver and Bugs, outcharted your faves on global Apple Music and done well on local platforms like Deezer and Line, yet you think those platforms add up to NEGATIVE 1,515,490,971 streams. Like, I would LOVE to see you attempt the math on that.

 

Tour grosses:

SKZ

1st global tour - $729,771 reported

2nd global tour - $3,984,422 reported

 

Aespa

1st global tour - $4,725,233 reported

2nd global tour - $19,083,589 reported (still ongoing)

 

Aespa has never had, and will never have, a tour that has grossed less than SKZ's first nor second global world tours.

 

Billboard Global 200

Supernova - 25 weeks

Whiplash - 20 weeks

Armageddon - 13 weeks

Stray Kids's entire career after 2,322 days - 30 weeks

 

Aespa are bigger at the same point in their careers despite getting less promo and having fewer releases. Stationhead can't save your faves. But for all of our enjoyment, can you post SKZ's Melon streams? Their Genie streams? Their weeks on the Global 200? Their peaks on the Global 200?

[Eternium]

@Pluto6 I went ahead and compiled all of Aespa's streams for you. Feel free to take a look.

 

Black Mamba (Digital Single)

Black Mamba - 272,875,198 S / 557M YTM / 22,358,600 G / 71,053,542 M = 923,287,340 total

Black Mamba (Girls Album) - 240,910 G / 1,531,016 M = 1,771,926 total

Total: 925,059,266

 

Next Level (Digital Single)

Next Level - 282,335,508 S / 709M YTM / 86,728,406 G / 226,873,167 M = 1,304,937,081 total

Next Level (Habstrakt Remix) - 4,119,505 S / 3.8M YTM / 287,996 G / 906,407 M = 9,113,908

Next Level (IMLAY Remix) - 2,304,817 S / 577k YTM / 96,738 G / 377,161 M = 3,355,716 total

Next Level (Lionclad Remix) - 1,870,681 S / 356k YTM / 70,686 G / 235,711 M = 2,533,078 total

Total: 1,319,939,783

 

Savage (1st Mini Album)

Savage - 264,228,836 S / 519M YTM / 36,667,515 G / 114,642,977 M = 934,539,328 total

Aenergy - 63,007,884 S / 17M YTM / 2,191,899 G / 10,133,345 M = 92,333,128 total

I'll Make You Cry - 22,448,860 S / 7.5M YTM / 826,848 G / 4,045,931 M = 34,821,639 total

YEPPI YEPPI - 37,675,471 S / 23M YTM / 2,848,800 G / 13,274,027 M = 76,798,298 total

ICONIC - 36,707,009 S / 12M YTM / 1,236,957 G / 6,039,768 M = 55,983,734 total

Lucid Dream - 91,909,270 S / 20M YTM / 1,594,815 G / 7,471,146 M = 120,975,231 total

Total: 1,315,451,358

 

Girls (2nd Mini Album)

Girls - 133,651,283 S / 281M YTM / 14,919,284 G / 56,138,847 M = 485,709,414 total

Illusion - 172,299,008 S / 176M YTM / 23,307,067 G / 70,340,287 M = 441,946,362 total

Lingo - 13,972,270 S / 5.5M YTM / 1,051,261 G / 4,947,686 M = 25,471,217 total

Life's Too Short - 12,241,510 S / 1,202,299 G / 5,071,264 M = 18,515,073 total

Life's Too Short (English Version) - 64,447,456 S / 105M YTM / 3,491,295 G / 19,130,045 M = 192,068,796 total

Life's Too Short (English Version) (Album Version) - 356,117 G / 1,107,857 M = 1,463,974 total

Life's Too Short (Instrumental) - 955,676 S / 670k YTM / 18,311 G / 136,288 M = 1,780,275 total

ICU - 13,351,647 S / 6.3M YTM / 925,245 G / 4,837,209 M = 25,414,101 total

Forever - 29,852,091 S / 74M YTM / 2,484,923 G / 12,812,911 M = 119,149,925 total

Forever (Album Version) - 154,630 G / 751,886 M = 906,516 total

Dreams Come True - 132,270,576 S / 221M YTM / 17,201,043 G / 65,008,825 M = 435,480,444 total

Dreams Come True (Album Version) - 205,408 G / 623,559 M = 828,967 total

Dreams Come True (SM Album Version) - 817,915 G / 1,479,608 = 2,297,523 total

Dreams Come True (Instrumental) - 3,476,905 S / 1.6M YTM / 44,190 G / 227,530 M = 5,348,625 total

Girls (BRLLNT Remix) - 1,188,968 S / 1.6M YTM / 134,494 G / 325,342 M = 3,248,804 total

Girls (Minit Remix) - 903,890 S / 475k YTM / 33,522 G / 260,569 M = 1,672,981 total

Total: 1,761,302,997

 

MY World (3rd Mini Album)

Spicy - 182,183,871 S / 320M YTM / 39,778,287 G / 122,648,769 M = 664,610,927 total

Welcome to MY World - 46,706,749 S / 39M YTM / 1,723,495 G / 10,448,969 M = 97,879,213 total

Salty & Sweet - 33,997,297 S / 38M YTM / 3,256,283 G / 18,679,509 M = 93,933,089 total

Thirsty - 61,395,599 S / 78M YTM / 7,982,044 G / 36,820,954 M = 184,198,597 total

I'm Unhappy - 21,731,708 S / 23M YTM / 1,261,438 G / 7,079,021 M = 53,072,167 total

'Til We Meet Again - 12,102,183 S / 5.8M YTM / 703,095 G / 5,007,407 M = 23,612,685 total

Spicy (Nitepunk Remix) - 1,821,869 S / 559k YTM / 31,856 G / 113,957 M = 2,526,682 total

Total: 1,119,833,360

 

Drama (4th Mini Album)

Drama - 349,929,070 S / 499M YTM / 26,347,126 G / 83,257,279 M = 958,533,475 total

Trick or Trick - 14,530,607 S / 6.9M YTM / 553,666 G / 3,672,946 M = 25,657,219 total

Don't Blink - 9,640,275 S / 3.8M YTM / 455,956 G / 2,835,655 M = 16,731,886 total

Hot Air Balloon - 8,037,163 S / 3.1M YTM / 487,131 G / 2,653,072 M = 14,277,366 total

YOLO - 7,070,809 S / 2.5M YTM / 429,509 G / 2,452,173 M = 12,452,491 total

You - 9,089,252 S / 5.5M YTM / 739,375 G / 3,825,691 M = 19,154,318 total

Better Things - 92,449,209 S / 135M YTM / 3,104,632 G / 17,273,322 M = 247,827,163 total

Better Things (Raye Remix) - 1,554,945 S / 2.6M YTM / 70,100 G / 157,990 M = 4,383,035 total

Better Things (Sped Up Version) - 1,341,666 S / 745k YTM / 21,930 G / 146,741 M = 2,255,337 total

Better Things (Tropkillaz Remix) - 877,067 S / 281k YTM / 78,950 G / 153,112 M = 1,390,129 total

Better Things (Snack Version) - 791,096 S / 100k YTM / 10,900 G / 106,246 M = 1,008,242 total

Better Things (Dance Remix) - 578,742 S / 154k YTM / 40,310 G / 194,400 M = 967,452 total

Better Things (Slowed Down Version) - 262,461 S / 184k YTM / 8,898 G / 39,352 M = 494,711 total

Drama (Sped Up Version) - 1,374,357 S / 1.8M YTM / 45,391 G / 199,704 M = 3,419,452 total

Total: 1,308,552,276

 

Armageddon (1st Full Album)

Supernova - 273,188,410 S / 333M YTM / 42,166,684 G / 117,116,532 M = 765,471,626 total

Armageddon - 212,816,635 S / 268M YTM / 17,922,143 G / 59,620,231M = 558,359,009 total

Set The Tone - 14,479,890 S / 9.3M YTM / 954,435 G / 4,013,886 M = 28,748,211 total

Mine - 12,703,080 S / 4.3M YTM / 433,307 G / 2,189,201 M = 19,625,588 total

Licorice - 11,855,377 S / 3.8M YTM / 504,748 G / 2,452,416 M = 18,612,541 total

BAHAMA - 18,717,768 S / 7.3M YTM / 589,941 G / 3,469,885 M = 30,077,594 total

Long Chat (#<3) - 8,896,811 S / 7.9M YTM / 503,222 G / 2,635,911 M = 19,935,944 total

Prologue - 11,160,595 S / 9.5M YTM / 628,408 G / 3,185,734 M = 24,474,737 total

Live My Life - 31,141,375 S / 43M YTM / 4,674,544 G / 18,734,121 M = 97,550,040 total

Melody - 9,050,592 S / 4.4M YTM / 528,622 G / 2,680,280 M = 16,659,494 total

Supernova (Grimes Remix) - 1,534,758 S / 1.2M YTM / 86,957 G / 105,776 M = 2,927,491 total

Supernova (KENZIE RE:WORKS) - 1,109,838 S / 746k YTM / 46,344 G / 111,401 M = 2,013,583 total

Armageddon (Flava D Remix) - 678,743 S / 535k YTM / 5,696 G / 24,180 M = 1,243,619 total

Armageddon (2Spade Remix) - 663,660 S / 328k YTM / 11,188 G / 33,027 M = 1,035,875 total

Armageddon (Mount XLR Remix) - 491,281 S / 65k YTM / 3,909 G / 16,749 M = 576,939 total

Total: 1,587,312,291

 

Whiplash (5th Mini Album)

Whiplash - 178,250,866 S / 276M YTM / 23,884,428 G / 64,491,575 M = 542,626,869 total

Kill It - 11,991,568 S / 6.9M YTM / 505,834 G / 2,547,850 M = 21,945,252 total

Flights, Not Feelings - 8,889,340 S / 4.3M YTM / 380,219 G / 2,267,972 M = 15,837,531 total

Pink Hoodie - 7,579,281 S / 4.2M YTM / 495,511 G / 2,406,436 M = 14,681,228 total

Flowers - 12,257,075 S / 8.1M YTM / 578,792 G / 2,608,772 M = 23,544,639 total

Just Another Girl - 7,226,452 S / 5M YTM / 399,478 G / 2,339,021 M = 14,964,951 total

Whiplash (monotostereo Remix) - 143,155 S / 97k YTM / 16,898 G / 22,964 M = 280,017 total

Flights, Not Feelings (Demicat Remix) - 12,511 S / 10k YTM / 1,135 G / 6,363 M = 30,009 total

Total: 633,910,496

 

Hot Mess (1st Japan Single)

Hot Mess - 18,257,909 S / 36M YTM / 690,121 G / 2,982,094 M = 57,930,124 total

Sun and Moon - 7,071,385 S / 6.6M YTM / 81,742 G / 576,452 M = 14,329,579 total

ZOOM ZOOM - 9,659,223 S / 2.6M YTM / 59,760 G / 383,260 M = 12,702,243 total

ZOOM ZOOM (Album Version) - 46,959 G / 336,650 M = 383,609 total

Total: 85,345,555

 

SYNK: Parallel Line (Special Digital Single)

Up (Karina Solo) - 100,429,194 S / 80M YTM / 15,039,313 G / 44,235,860 M = 239,704,367 total

Up (Karina Solo Coziest Remix) - 31,286 S / 27k YTM / 2,843 G / 12,295 M = 73,424 total

Dopamine (Giselle Solo) - 19,010,769 S / 8.6M YTM / 377,479 G / 1,924,193 M = 29,912,441 total

Bored! (Ningning Solo) - 15,124,308 S / 7.4M YTM / 437,268 G / 2,112,948 M = 25,074,524 total

Spark (Winter Solo) - 17,768,420 S / 11M YTM / 882,381 G / 4,292,920 M = 33,943,721 total

Spark (Winter Solo 2Spade Remix) - 191,512 S / 50k YTM / 3,124 G / 8,176 M = 252,812 total

Total: 328,961,289

 

Orphan Tracks

Hold On Tight - 141,308,956 S / 59M YTM / 1,876,465 G / 6,802,636 M = 208,988,057 total

Hold On Tight (Album Version) - 138,916 G / 2,256,027 M = 2,394,943 total

Beautiful Christmas - 11,639,125 S / 30M YTM / 1,510,117 G / 6,590,003 M = 49,739,245 total

Jingle Bell Rock - 10,611,698 / 8.6M YTM / 1,102,510 G / 5,117,191 M = 25,431,399 total

Jingle Bell Rock (Sped Up Version) - 394,412 S / 457k YTM / 39,401 G / 153,945 M = 1,044,758 total

We Go - 6,566,711 S / 3.7M YTM / 429,654 G / 1,333,108 M = 12,029,473 total

We Go (English Version) - 1,637,136 S / 571k YTM / 82,109 G / 201,904 M = 2,492,149 total

We Go (Instrumental) - 137,507 S / 84k YTM / 6,887 G / 27,722 M = 256,116 total

Regret of the Times - 4,743,147 S / 4.7M YTM / 512,240 G / 2,201,148 M = 12,156,535 total

Regret of the Times (Instrumental) - 247,626 S / 125k YTM / 4,330 G / 29,569 M = 406,525 total

Die Trying - 4,228,672 S / 1M YTM / 58,520 G / 174,311 M = 5,461,503 total

Die Trying (Album Version) - 3,473 G / 41,588 M = 45,061 total

Over You - 4,181,772 S / 567k YTM / 19,180 G / 99,100 M = 4,867,052 total

Over You (Album Deluxe) - 118 G / 1,700 M = 1,818 total

Rum Pum Pum Pum - 1,453,366 S / 3M YTM / 58,542 G / 242,573 M = 4,754,481 total

Total: 330,069,115

 

Spotify Total (3/8/25): 3,725,837,438

YouTube Music Total (Week of 3/2/25): 5,171,863,000

Genie Total (Week of 3/2/25): 427,432,892

Melon Total (Week of 3/2/25): 1,392,933,400

 

Discography Total: 10,718,066,730

[Pluto6]

On 3/12/2025 at 3:56 AM, Eternium said:

This is exactly why you keep getting dragged. As of the week of March 2nd, 2025, Aespa had 5,171,863,000 YouTube Music streams, 427,432,892 Genie streams and 1,392,933,400 Melon streams. That's 6,992,229,292 streams right there. The Kworb update from 3/9/25, Aespa had 3,723,261,679 Spotify streams. That's 10,715,490,971 streams for four platforms and it's not even accurate as of today's date. Please explain how they've spent months at #1 on platforms like Naver and Bugs, outcharted your faves on global Apple Music and done well on local platforms like Deezer and Line, yet you think those platforms add up to NEGATIVE 1,515,490,971 streams. Like, I would LOVE to see you attempt the math on that.

 

Tour grosses:

SKZ

1st global tour - $729,771 reported

2nd global tour - $3,984,422 reported

 

Aespa

1st global tour - $4,725,233 reported

2nd global tour - $19,083,589 reported (still ongoing)

 

Aespa has never had, and will never have, a tour that has grossed less than SKZ's first nor second global world tours.

The only reason I'm getting "dragged" here is because I refuse to follow the SM echo chamber that dominates this forum and constantly rebel against the SM propaganda in a space full of SM sheeps. Just like how Reddit is full of HYBE stans, ATRL is full of SM stans. 

 

Anyways, it's absurd that you are comparing SKZ's canceled world tour that only managed to have 10 shows with aespa's completed world tours.

But here are the actual tour grosses for both groups' world tours:

 

SKZ
1st World Tour: $3.9M reported (10 shows) – Took place just 1.8 years after their debut and was cancelled after 10 shows. (Notice how it almost surpassed aespa's first tour, even with only 10 shows while aespa had 31 shows)
2nd World Tour: $71.5M reported  (42 shows) – Took place 4.1 years after their debut.

 

aespa
1st World Tour: $4.7M reported (31 shows) – Took place 2.3 years after their debut.
2nd World Tour: $19M reported (43 shows & still ongoing) – Took place 3.7 years after debut.

 

Idk why you keep insisting on comparing their touring numbers. You know that it's highly unlikely that aespa will ever have SKZ's touring power at the end of the day, especially with how massive SKZ's 3rd world tour is going to be.

 

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SKZ's has multiple tours that have outgrossed aespa's entire total gross so far. 

SKZ has 1 album that has nearly outsold aespa's entire career.

On Spotify alone, SKZ has out streamed aespa across all platforms combined (Spotify, YouTube, MelOn, Genie, Bugs, Naver, etc.).

 

(and if we combine everything for SKZ as well, then it's a total stomp)

 

If you genuinely believe aespa are bigger than SKZ, you're being naïve. SKZ is constantly breaking all-time records and ranks top 3 globally across all major metrics such as best-selling, most-streamed, and highest-grossing K-pop acts ever. Meanwhile, aespa's achievements are still mostly limited to 4th gen comparisons. Like where are aespa's "all-time" records? For example, SKZ holds the record for the most #1 albums on Billboard 200 and RIAA album certifications for a K-pop act. Their ongoing tour is expected to be the most attended K-pop tour of all time so far etc.

 

You're setting aespa up by portraying them as bigger than what they really are, when they are basically on the same tier as IVE, GIDLE and LE SSERAFIM. 

 

Your logic of counting every single day and focus on who did what a certain point to make your fave seem bigger is very flawed. By that logic, groups like RIIZE and BOYNEXTDOOR should surpass BTS since they had bigger starts. But we all know that won't happen.

 

Also, SKZ and aespa didn't debut that far apart as you're trying to imply. You can't constantly use that as an excuse, especially when rival groups like BTS and BLACKPINK had even bigger gaps between their debuts for example. 

 

Though tbf, I don't entirely blame you or others for being unaware of SKZ's achievements, considering JYP isn't as strong with media-playing compared to SM. This is likely why people like you still feel confident questioning SKZ's status as the 4th-gen leader or as the second biggest K-pop boy group globally.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 14 by Pluto6

[Eternium]

8 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

The only reason I'm getting "dragged" here is because I refuse to follow the SM echo chamber that dominates this forum and constantly rebel against the SM propaganda in a space full of SM sheeps. Just like how Reddit is full of HYBE stans, ATRL is full of SM stans. 

 

Anyways, it's absurd that you are comparing SKZ's canceled world tour that only managed to have 10 shows with aespa's completed world tours.

But here are the actual tour grosses for both groups' world tours:

 

SKZ
1st World Tour: $3.9M reported (10 shows) – Took place just 1.8 years after their debut and was cancelled after 10 shows. (Notice how it almost surpassed aespa's first tour, even with only 10 shows while aespa had 31 shows)
2nd World Tour: $71.5M reported  (42 shows) – Took place 4.1 years after their debut.

 

aespa
1st World Tour: $4.7M reported (31 shows) – Took place 2.3 years after their debut.
2nd World Tour: $19M reported (43 shows & still ongoing) – Took place 3.7 years after debut.

 

Idk why you keep insisting on comparing their touring numbers. You know that it's highly unlikely that aespa will ever have SKZ's touring power at the end of the day, especially with how massive SKZ's 3rd world tour is going to be.

 

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SKZ's has multiple tours that have outgrossed aespa's entire total gross so far. 

SKZ has 1 album that has nearly outsold aespa's entire career.

On Spotify alone, SKZ has out streamed aespa across all platforms combined (Spotify, YouTube, MelOn, Genie, Bugs, Naver, etc.).

 

(and if we combine everything for SKZ as well, then it's a total stomp)

 

If you genuinely believe aespa are bigger than SKZ, you're being naïve. SKZ is constantly breaking all-time records and ranks top 3 globally across all major metrics such as best-selling, most-streamed, and highest-grossing K-pop acts ever. Meanwhile, aespa's achievements are still mostly limited to 4th gen comparisons. Like where are aespa's "all-time" records? For example, SKZ holds the record for the most #1 albums on Billboard 200 and RIAA album certifications for a K-pop act. Their ongoing tour is expected to be the most attended K-pop tour of all time so far etc.

 

You're setting aespa up by portraying them as bigger than what they really are, when they are basically on the same tier as IVE, GIDLE and LE SSERAFIM. 

 

Your logic of counting every single day and focus on who did what a certain point to make your fave seem bigger is very flawed. By that logic, groups like RIIZE and BOYNEXTDOOR should surpass BTS since they had bigger starts. But we all know that won't happen.

 

Also, SKZ and aespa didn't debut that far apart as you're trying to imply. You can't constantly use that as an excuse, especially when rival groups like BTS and BLACKPINK had even bigger gaps between their debuts for example. 

 

Though tbf, I don't entirely blame you or others for being unaware of SKZ's achievements, considering JYP isn't as strong with media-playing compared to SM. This is likely why people like you still feel confident questioning SKZ's status as the 4th-gen leader or as the second biggest K-pop boy group globally.

 

Oh, honey  

 

So that was the problem - you thought "reported" meant the final gross? Aespa's first tour had a reported gross of $4.725M after 8 shows. They had 33 shows total. If you applied the average to all dates, that would be $18,310,278. Their second tour had a reported gross of $19,083,589 after 14 shows. If you apply the average to all 43 dates, that would be $58,613,880.50. Their total is around $76,924,158.50 across the first two tours. 

 

SKZ's first tour had a reported gross of $729,771 with 2/14 shows reported. If you apply that average to all 14 dates, that's $5,108,397. Their second tour had a gross of $3,984,922 after 8 reported shows. If you apply that average to all 10 shows, that's a total of $4,981,152.50. Their total after two tours was around $10,089,549.50. Even if you include Maniac, which grossed $62,791,187 reported across all 42 shows, that's only $72,880,736.50. 
 

You're speaking on touring and you have no grasp of what you're saying. Aespa's tour gross as of this Sunday, just 1,579 days into their career, and after their second world tour is bigger than SKZ's after three world tours and 

1,978 days of career. 
 

Aespa have set all-time records already like longest charting K-pop song of all-time (Next Level), best-selling mini album by a girl group (MY World), best-selling album by a girl group (MY World), biggest debut album sales (Savage), most Daesangs for a song ever (Supernova), longest-charting #1 on FLO realtime charts (Supernova), longest charting #1 on Melon ever (Supernova), etc. Aespa started setting all-time records less than 1 year into their career and SKZ are just now getting some after 7 and a half years.

 

I literally counted out over 10B streams for you and broke them down and yet you're still using ChartMasters's streaming tool which MJD (that's the site owner, since you know literally nothing about charts) has acknowledged is not exact since before the tool launched. There's a reason the site does in-depth streaming dives for artists when they update CSPC - the tool applies a general tool for all artists that only fits white Western pop artists (I.e. Spotify-leaning musicians). For artists who rely on platforms outside of Spotify, their tool is not very accurate. 
 

Your entire argument is that Aespa is going to crash. Yet their last title track, Whiplash, is outstreaming every SKZ title track since God's Menu (and it's also streaming faster than God's Menu). Can you please do us a favor and post SKZ's Spotify + Melon + Genie + YTM streams for their last title tracks? I'd LOVE to see how they compare to Aespa's. Let me know if you need help  

[Blackout2006]

I think Stray Kids has the bigger fan base but Aespa has the bigger hits and acclaim and by a mile. Supernova and Whiplash were rlly big last year, if we are leaving Drama.

[Pluto6]

6 hours ago, Eternium said:

Oh, honey  

 

So that was the problem - you thought "reported" meant the final gross? Aespa's first tour had a reported gross of $4.725M after 8 shows. They had 33 shows total. If you applied the average to all dates, that would be $18,310,278. Their second tour had a reported gross of $19,083,589 after 14 shows. If you apply the average to all 43 dates, that would be $58,613,880.50. Their total is around $76,924,158.50 across the first two tours. 

 

SKZ's first tour had a reported gross of $729,771 with 2/14 shows reported. If you apply that average to all 14 dates, that's $5,108,397. Their second tour had a gross of $3,984,922 after 8 reported shows. If you apply that average to all 10 shows, that's a total of $4,981,152.50. Their total after two tours was around $10,089,549.50. Even if you include Maniac, which grossed $62,791,187 reported across all 42 shows, that's only $72,880,736.50. 
 

You're speaking on touring and you have no grasp of what you're saying. Aespa's tour gross as of this Sunday, just 1,579 days into their career, and after their second world tour is bigger than SKZ's after three world tours and 

1,978 days of career. 
 

Aespa have set all-time records already like longest charting K-pop song of all-time (Next Level), best-selling mini album by a girl group (MY World), best-selling album by a girl group (MY World), biggest debut album sales (Savage), most Daesangs for a song ever (Supernova), longest-charting #1 on FLO realtime charts (Supernova), longest charting #1 on Melon ever (Supernova), etc. Aespa started setting all-time records less than 1 year into their career and SKZ are just now getting some after 7 and a half years.

 

I literally counted out over 10B streams for you and broke them down and yet you're still using ChartMasters's streaming tool which MJD (that's the site owner, since you know literally nothing about charts) has acknowledged is not exact since before the tool launched. There's a reason the site does in-depth streaming dives for artists when they update CSPC - the tool applies a general tool for all artists that only fits white Western pop artists (I.e. Spotify-leaning musicians). For artists who rely on platforms outside of Spotify, their tool is not very accurate. 
 

Your entire argument is that Aespa is going to crash. Yet their last title track, Whiplash, is outstreaming every SKZ title track since God's Menu (and it's also streaming faster than God's Menu). Can you please do us a favor and post SKZ's Spotify + Melon + Genie + YTM streams for their last title tracks? I'd LOVE to see how they compare to Aespa's. Let me know if you need help  

Idk, what else more to tell you, since you actually believe that aespa are bigger than SKZ 

Like do you seriously believe that aespa are bigger than SKZ? 

[Eternium]

3 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

Idk, what else more to tell you, since you actually believe that aespa are bigger than SKZ 

Like do you seriously believe that aespa are bigger than SKZ? 

At the same point in their careers? Absolutely.

 

Aespa's first two tours after 4 years have outgrossed Stray Kids's first three tours after 6 years ($76,924,158.50 estimated versus $72,880,736.50 estimated). 
 

Aespa's outcharting SKZ globally (Whiplash, Supernova, Armageddon, etc. have outperformed every SKZ track on the Billboard Global 200 in their entire career).
 

Aespa are significantly ahead of SKZ in streams at the same point in their career despite less releases and less promo (over 800M on Spotify, over 1B on Melon, over 300M on Genie, etc. Aespa's Apple Music charting at 4 years in is better than SKZ's career). 
 

The only thing SKZ beat Aespa in is album sales. But even then, SKZ from 2017-2022 were only at 11,133,756. Aespa from 2020-2025 are at 8,788,436 and they have two comebacks left for the year still. You're downplaying Aespa's album sales as if they aren't the third-highest selling female act ever after TWICE and IVE. 
 

Nobody is arguing that SKZ after 7 and 1/2 years don't have a bigger overall career than Aespa after 4 and 1/2 years. Our argument was whether Aespa were bigger at the current point in their careers. Prove me wrong.

[Papi Juancho]

On 3/10/2025 at 7:09 PM, Odette Violet said:

the blatant lies

 

 

 

 

SKZ remains talentless and irrelevant outside their pann girls 

read again 

[Reginald]

Aespa obviously

They are the main characters of kpop and maximalist pop

Edited March 16 by Reginald

[Eternium]

12 hours ago, Papi Juancho said:

read again 

She was right. Aespa sold out every date of their tour. They put limited view seating on sale right before their concerts, which is why Mexico's boxscore didn't show sold out.

 

This isn't the first time that's happened to them - they have a venue from their first tour at the MGM Hall that reported 81.1% capacity sold at 4,061 sold. The venue maqueed the show as a sell out and ITZY's boxscore showed 100% capacity sell out with 4,052 tickets sold.
 

If you took two seconds to scroll up, you could see that Aespa after two world tours have a higher gross than SKZ after three world tours. Sure SKZ's fifth tour is about to be record-setting, but Aespa's gross after five tours and 7 and a half years will easily outgross SKZ's even if they don't grow at all in touring.

12 hours ago, Reginald said:

Aespa obviously

They are the main characters of kpop and maximalist pop

The accuracy. SKZ will never again have a song that outstreams Whiplash.

Edited March 16 by Eternium

[Pluto6]

On 3/16/2025 at 7:25 AM, Eternium said:

Sure SKZ's fifth tour is about to be record-setting, but Aespa's gross after five tours and 7 and a half years will easily outgross SKZ's even if they don't grow at all in touring.

The aespa setup 

 

Edited March 20 by Pluto6

[LuneMon]

Aespa.

 

Edited March 20 by LuneMon

[Eternium]

9 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

The aespa setup 

 

Is it? Stray Flopz are about to release another bomb (their 37th single in a row to fall to outchart Whiplash on a global scale) and they still haven't even grossed more than $200M on tour yet. 
 

Aespa after two tours and four years: $76,924,158.50

SKZ after three tours and six years: $72,880,736.50

SKZ 4th tour: $30.68M

 

SKZ are barely at $103M after 7.5 years and going on their fifth tour. Aespa are at $76.9M after two tours and just four years. Congrats to SKZ on finally beginning a large tour but they are so far behind they'll never compare to an actually big group like Aespa.

[Pluto6]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

Congrats to SKZ on finally beginning a large tour but they are so far behind they'll never compare to an actually big group like Aespa.

The way aespa aren't even top 5 or even top 10 in most metrics

Anyways, bookmarked 

[IBeMe]

it's obviously Stray Kids...idk why ppl are voting aespa  

[Hyune]

Those 73 losers make me laugh 

[K$Ellie]

considering skz can't chart with their singles and it's all just mass buying albums that end up in a landfill like NCT, i'm gonna have to go with aespa 

and let's not even get into the quality of music lol

[Pluto6]

47 minutes ago, K$Ellie said:

considering skz can't chart with their singles and it's all just mass buying albums that end up in a landfill like NCT, i'm gonna have to go with aespa 

and let's not even get into the quality of music lol

Putting SKZ on the same tier as NCT is the reason why some of you gg stans really need to stop saying things about bgs, especially if you are clueless about the topic, since SKZ are literally out streaming every NCT unit combined 

 

And saying SKZ's success are just the result of "mass buying" is insane, when they are the 3rd Kpop act with the most career streams across all platforms, just after BTS and BLACKPINK. They will literally also have the most attended Kpop tour of all time, and are able to chart across multiple countries globally with their songs and albums (if you have read the thread, then you already know that)

 

They are the only group along with BTS who are always charting on Spotify Global Artist all year long, and have never left the chart for over 3+ years.

Like SKZ are easily the most global Kpop act after BTS and BLACKPINK  

[K$Ellie]

11 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

Putting SKZ on the same tier as NCT is the reason why some of you gg stans really need to stop saying things about bgs, especially if you are clueless about the topic, since SKZ are literally out streaming every NCT unit combined 

 

And saying SKZ's success are just the result of "mass buying" is insane, when they are the 3rd Kpop act with the most career streams across all platforms, just after BTS and BLACKPINK. They will literally also have the most attended Kpop tour of all time, and are able to chart across multiple countries globally with their songs and albums (if you have read the thread, then you already know that)

 

They are the only group along with BTS who are always charting on Spotify Global Artist all year long, and have never left the chart for over 3+ years.

Like SKZ are easily the most global Kpop act after BTS and BLACKPINK  

aespa bigger and better we all know it

anyways both aren't big internationally outside of their fanbase, skz are marginally bigger by just barely charting for 1 single week and then falling off but domestically aespa's success is 10x bigger lol

Edited March 21 by K$Ellie

[Pluto6]

31 minutes ago, K$Ellie said:

aespa bigger and better we all know it

anyways both aren't big internationally outside of their fanbase, skz are marginally bigger by just barely charting for 1 single week and then falling off but domestically aespa's success is 10x bigger lol

It's so funny seeing y'all gg stans trying to cope whenever a bg is more successful than your faves, especially when media, music experts and most importantly objective numbers are right in of you

 

 

I just gave you multiple reasons as to why SKZ are absolutely destroying aespa in popularity and in terms of demand while you're just saying "well aespa are more popular in Korea" as if even AOA isn't out charting  SKZ as well, which shows how little influence the Korean market can have on groups who isn't dependent on it 

 

Edited March 21 by Pluto6

[newaespa]

SKZ fans still bumping this thread so that people will get to know them 

 

go take a damn bath omfg

[K$Ellie]

5 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

It's so funny seeing y'all gg stans trying to cope whenever a bg is more successful than your faves, especially when media, music experts and most importantly objective numbers are right in of you

 

 

I just gave you multiple reasons as to why Stray Kids are absolutely destroying aespa in popularity and in terms of demand while you're just saying "well aespa are more popular in Korea" as if even AOA isn't more popular than SKZ which shows how little influence the Korean market has on groups like SKZ

yeah i didn't read the meltdown and you made a thread asking our opinion and now you're mad that people are disagreeing, speaking of trying to cope