poll Has Ariana surpassed Gaga?

[CherryBay]

It wasn't that hard OP

 

[Eternium]

7 hours ago, Filthy Pop said:

An R-rated musical (not associated w an established Broadway hit, mind you) grossing 440m$ in 2018 is more than just "excellent due to low budget" let's not 

 

Arianators can enjoy this win but let's see if she has the range to sustain a career before making sweeping statements like this Liddos got cocky after ASIB too and look how well that worked out for us.

A Star Is Born is a successful film franchise in the U.S. and Gaga's version is the fourth re-telling. The third entry, Barbra Streisand's, was the 2nd highest grossing film of 1976. Yes Wicked is an established franchise, but so is ASIB

 

As far as gross goes, $436M in 2018 is not nearly as impressive in 2018 as it would be in 2024. That was only good enough to finish at #21 in 2018. Since COVID decimated grosses, $436M would currently be #10 for 2024 films with only Wicked, Mufasa and maybe Sonic left to surpass that gross.

 

Wicked is at $378M globally and #12 on the year end with only two global weekends counted and domestic counted through 12/4/24. It is the biggest pop girl film of the blockbuster era.

[Filthy Pop]

4 hours ago, Eternium said:

A Star Is Born is a successful film franchise in the U.S. and Gaga's version is the fourth re-telling. The third entry, Barbra Streisand's, was the 2nd highest grossing film of 1976. Yes Wicked is an established franchise, but so is ASIB

 

As far as gross goes, $436M in 2018 is not nearly as impressive in 2018 as it would be in 2024. That was only good enough to finish at #21 in 2018. Since COVID decimated grosses, $436M would currently be #10 for 2024 films with only Wicked, Mufasa and maybe Sonic left to surpass that gross.

 

Wicked is at $378M globally and #12 on the year end with only two global weekends counted and domestic counted through 12/4/24. It is the biggest pop girl film of the blockbuster era.

Do you not know how grosses work and how ratings affect them? Wicked is a PG fantasy aimed at children you literally cannot compare 

 

Luckily, music doesn't have the same type of ratings system, so let's circle back in a year and see if Wicked's soundtrack has the same staying power as ASIB OST

[Eternium]

5 hours ago, Filthy Pop said:

Do you not know how grosses work and how ratings affect them? Wicked is a PG fantasy aimed at children you literally cannot compare 

 

Luckily, music doesn't have the same type of ratings system, so let's circle back in a year and see if Wicked's soundtrack has the same staying power as ASIB OST

While an R-rating can be a crutch, the most successful R-rated movie of 2018 was Deadpool 2 with $786M. Wicked also has its own "crutches" - it's a Broadway adaptation, it's a musical, it's 2 hours and 40 minutes long, it has a black lead, it is completely female-lead, etc. which all, unfortunately, hurt its box office appeal. That doesn't change the fact that Wicked's domestic gross is bigger than ASIB's global gross despite ASIB having the advantage of a much larger market.

 

The ASIB soundtrack is a pop soundtrack with promoted singles and typical HAC pop. The Wicked soundtrack is Broadway covers complete with 7 minute long songs full of talking - it's not made for the streaming era and they're not going to be able to promote it as such. It also already exists as a 3x Platinum Broadway recording. There will also be a second album coming in a year which will split streams between projects. 
 

Nobody's dragging Gaga's performance with ASIB and it was definitely excellent when you compare the budget to the gross. But Wicked is bigger in every single way and it's not remotely close.

[Filthy Pop]

4 hours ago, Eternium said:

While an R-rating can be a crutch, the most successful R-rated movie of 2018 was Deadpool 2 with $786M.

The superhero comic book movie outgrossed the musical showbiz melodrama?!? Color me shocked

 

4 hours ago, Eternium said:

. Wicked also has its own "crutches" - it's a Broadway adaptation, it's a musical, it's 2 hours and 40 minutes long, it has a black lead, it is completely female-lead, etc. which all,

All of these are kind of canceled out by the fact that A. "Wicked" is the second highest grossing musical on Broadway (1b$+) surpassed only by "The Lion King," B. It is associated with arguably the most iconic film in the history of American cinema ("The Wizard of Oz"), and C. it's marketing campaign is one of the most aggressive I've literally ever seen

 

4 hours ago, Eternium said:

 

Nobody's dragging Gaga's performance with ASIB and it was definitely excellent when you compare the budget to the gross. But Wicked is bigger in every single way and it's not remotely close.

I agree "Wicked" is definitely bigger, but they're not starting off on an even playing field and it's success is surely not an indication that Ariana has "surpassed" Gaga. Like I said tho, a step in the right direction!

[vuelve88]

Ariana is a much better actress and singer. Gaga has a unique dancing style. 

[BYoncé]

Yes Ariana started eclipsing her about the time of the Bang Bang pride performance where she did the key change, proving she was a true ally in contrast to the pandering of Born This Way, and overtook her completely around 2016.
 

Dangerous Woman also influenced Gaga to scrap the original LG5 and pivot to what became Joanne, after she saw Ariana embrace artistry and a classic sound. It made Gaga yearn to do the same in pursuit of authenticity, but the results were poor because she isn't a true artist and writer like Ariana is. 
 

In terms of acting, I don't know why we are comparing. Ariana is acclaimed and has a background on Broadway, leading on television, and now smashing in films. Gaga was laughed and bullied out of art school and only landed roles after selling out as a popstar and even then she was everyone's second choice. 

[HonourableVomit]

15 hours ago, Eternium said:

A Star Is Born is a successful film franchise in the U.S. and Gaga's version is the fourth re-telling. The third entry, Barbra Streisand's, was the 2nd highest grossing film of 1976. Yes Wicked is an established franchise, but so is ASIB

 

As far as gross goes, $436M in 2018 is not nearly as impressive in 2018 as it would be in 2024. That was only good enough to finish at #21 in 2018. Since COVID decimated grosses, $436M would currently be #10 for 2024 films with only Wicked, Mufasa and maybe Sonic left to surpass that gross.

 

Wicked is at $378M globally and #12 on the year end with only two global weekends counted and domestic counted through 12/4/24. It is the biggest pop girl film of the blockbuster era.

what's going on here  the fourth remake of an adult drama across the past century that has different characters, different music, even a wildly different cinematic approach does not constitute a franchise what. Franchises are films that expand or reference each other in a series, which the ASIB films do not beyond having the same title and structure. You think the people who saw Barbra's in 1976 were turning up in 2018 after 42 years because of brand loyalty or something? 

 

Wicked has been on broadway and around the world consistently for the last 20 years, alongside the Wizard of Oz connection which is probably the most iconic children's movie of all time. Wicked's appeal for children cannot be overstated, as children's movies are pretty much the only surefire box office monkeymakers lately. 

[homosexual_behaviour]

yes. which is crazy cause i never would've thought that she would end up surpassing the likes of gaga, katy and nicki 

[Baegalme]

She definitely has

[Eternium]

11 hours ago, Filthy Pop said:

The superhero comic book movie outgrossed the musical showbiz melodrama?!? Color me shocked

 

All of these are kind of canceled out by the fact that A. "Wicked" is the second highest grossing musical on Broadway (1b$+) surpassed only by "The Lion King," B. It is associated with arguably the most iconic film in the history of American cinema ("The Wizard of Oz"), and C. it's marketing campaign is one of the most aggressive I've literally ever seen

 

I agree "Wicked" is definitely bigger, but they're not starting off on an even playing field and it's success is surely not an indication that Ariana has "surpassed" Gaga. Like I said tho, a step in the right direction!

You claimed that it couldn't have possibly done better thanks to the R-rating, and you were incorrect. I'm in no way arguing that it isn't a smash, however the R-rating isn't enough to claim that it was hindered more than Wicked.
 

Being based on an established Broadway musical isn't quite the positive box office draw you would expect it to be. Cats started megamusicals, was the longest and most successful Broadway and West End show ever and even had a smash stage-to-home-media release (it's 19x Platinum in the U.K.). The film, with an $80-100M budget and star-studded cast, grossed $75.5M. 
 

Broadway films almost never smash, which is why Grease was the highest grossing domestically for 46 years.

 

But yes, to your point, I originally said that Ariana isn't bigger than Gaga, but she is on her way. We agree there. I was just clocking someone who was trying to say Gaga is a much more successful actress than Ariana. I'm a firm believer that we need to free Gaga from film and get the good sis back to making excellent pop music.

10 hours ago, HonourableVomit said:

what's going on here  the fourth remake of an adult drama across the past century that has different characters, different music, even a wildly different cinematic approach does not constitute a franchise what. Franchises are films that expand or reference each other in a series, which the ASIB films do not beyond having the same title and structure. You think the people who saw Barbra's in 1976 were turning up in 2018 after 42 years because of brand loyalty or something? 

 

Wicked has been on broadway and around the world consistently for the last 20 years, alongside the Wizard of Oz connection which is probably the most iconic children's movie of all time. Wicked's appeal for children cannot be overstated, as children's movies are pretty much the only surefire box office monkeymakers lately. 

ASIB is literally one of the most iconic films in American history. It is a staple in both Judy Garland's and Barbra Streisand's career. It is incredibly established and that's why it was an honor for Gaga and Bradley to even get the role, just like it was an honor for Ariana and Cynthia to get their roles.
 

Wicked is fan fiction about the Wizard of Oz and it isn't child-appropriate. The stage musical and movie are more appropriate than the book it's based on, but it's not aimed at children in any way and that's why the demographic is actually doing poorly for the film. Children (0-12) made up less than 9% of the demographic for the opening weekend and that number got weaker thanks to the release of Moana. Wicked's strongest demo is 25-54 at 32%. 

[Erreur2 La Nature]

Gaga has had higher highs for sure but overall I feel like Ariana has surpassed her

[dumbsparce]

Ariana's consistency is truly admirable. She may have never reached Gaga's highs but there was also never a time in her career that she felt uncool. Right now she's obviously doing better in all aspects than Gaga but that could change in the future, not bc she'll bomb but bc Gaga's rollercoaster of a trajectory might pick up again.

[AlanRickman1946]

On 12/5/2024 at 11:16 PM, duybeeGAshantiGA said:

I stan both. But by your logic Gaga had ASIB before Ari so if anything Ari is catching up not surpassing.

But commercially wicked will devour ASIB if it hasn't already

[duybeeGAshantiGA]

25 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

But commercially wicked will devour ASIB if it hasn't already

Dear professor Snape,

 

You cant even compare movies like that.... they are different types of movies with different audiences. Also, Gaga was the lead and Ari is lowkey supporting. Also ASIB birthed Shallow (one of the biggest songs of all time) and other hits (AWUTW, etc.)... therr are much more to it than just gross numbers.

 

Even if we are just talking about Gross. You are also kinda wrong tbh. When we talk about box office numbers, it's important to mention the budget. Asib did 437M with the budget of only 37M, which is almost 12x times. So far Wicked has done 461M with 150M budget (only 3 times so far). It's not done yet but I dont think your statement is right even when it's all said and done. I dont think Wicked will be as profitable when we talk about the ratio of Budget:Profit.

 

I cant at you people pitting Gaga against other queens like Ari. "surpass" my ***. Let them all be successful on their own way.

 

Thank you,

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by duybeeGAshantiGA

[AlanRickman1946]

2 minutes ago, duybeeGAshantiGA said:

You cant even compare movies like that.... they are different types of movies with different audiences. Ari is the lead and Ari is lowkey supporting. Also ASIB birthed Shallow (one of the biggest songs of all time) and other hits (AWUTW, etc.)... therr are much more to it than just gross numbers.

 

Even if we are just talking about Gross. You are also kinda wrong tbh. When we talk about box office numbers, it's important to mention the budget. Asib did 437M with the budget of only 37M, which is almost 12x times. So far Wicked has done 461M with 150M budget (only 3 times so far). It's not done yet but I dont think your statement is right even when it's all said and done.

educate me

[Assassin]

Gaga needed Ariana for a #1 during the Chromatica era, so obviously.

[DevilsRollTheDice]

Actually an interesting question. I'd say their overall achievements/star power is similar. As another user said, Gaga's peak dwarfs Ariana's but Ariana's consistency (especially in her music career) is quite a bit better. I still think Gaga has more celebrity Aura.mp3 with the geepee, but that could also be bias because I stan her and grew up squarely during her peak. 

Two queens either way!

[Giorgoc]

On 12/5/2024 at 7:10 PM, Riverbank said:

If both were to collab again, we all know who will benefit from the other. Hope that answers your question

Yup, Ariana will grant Gaga her 6th number one while Gaga will grant Ariana her 3rd Grammy.

OT: It's close as Ariana has been way more consistent.