base talk Why did it take so long for Ariana to reach MPG status?

[Vrx.]

4 hours ago, Da Vinci said:

She was MPG after Problem, it was hit after hit after hit

She even had the controversies to go along with her MPG status (diva allegations, her dating life and of course Donutgate)

 

It was mostly just her haters who were using the #2s against her, especially when older MPGs like Rihanna and Katy were racking up #1s like it was nothing

No she wasn't. me was her "breakthrough" era and despite all the payola and Teenage Dream levels of promo and latching onto the biggest fad of the year (Iggy) she still couldn't score a #1. Actually, all of her singles were released with artists that were of significantly higher status than her at the time to get her name out. Only ONE single from ME was a solo song. Pair that with the floppage of focus  (which despite its peak fell off hard) and there was no way she was considered a MPG.

 

Revisionist history is insane. She was a mid tier pop girl who can go Top 40 for a long time until the TU,N era 

[PoisonPill]

MPG is based mostly on "feel" and she didn't feel like a true MPG until Thank U Next (single). I think she was on track to be an MPG after My Everything but donut-gate and then Focus kind of threw her off-course.

[genio]

She was more in the "ex-act" category (the one she was randomly thrown in with Demi and Selena, despite not even being a Disney girl nn) up until 2017-2018, despite My Everything and Dangerous Woman being huge and successful eras. The MPG title was only given to like 5-6 girls at the time (Adele, Taylor, Rih, Bey, Katy and Gaga). 

 

She needed the #1 so people started to consider her a MPG. Now there are still people saying she's not a MPG because she can't sell out a stadium. The goal post always moves. 

Edited 5 hours ago by genio

[Matchatea]

40 minutes ago, genio said:

She was more in the "ex-act" category (the one she was randomly thrown in with Demi and Selena, despite not even being a Disney girl nn) up until 2017-2018, despite My Everything and Dangerous Woman being huge and successful eras. The MPG title was only given to like 5-6 girls at the time (Adele, Taylor, Rih, Bey, Katy and Gaga). 

 

She needed the #1 so people started to consider her a MPG. Now there are still people saying she's not a MPG because she can't sell out a stadium. The goal post always moves. 

Why are they saying she can't sell out a stadium when she hasn't gone on tour in years?!?! Also would she be comfortable with performing in a stadium, I think she said a long time ago she feels safer in a venue but it may have changed. That's why she did a venue tour in 2019 but definitely could have gone bigger. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Matchatea

[Zaynsus]

6 hours ago, KKCuteCat said:

Seriously, who gets to decide who is MPG or not?

ME! And I declared that she was an MPG after she released Put Your Hearts Up

[Sadie Saxton]

I think she was definitely MPG certified by Dangerous Woman era. Yours Truly was too small - but The Way was a great start for her. My Everything was really the staple for her getting hits and getting out there. People loved to argue she wasn't because her sales were never high - she's quite literally ALWAYS been a streaming doll. I think TU,N gets a lot of attention for this because she simply was THE pop girl at that time.

[cat1867]

Part of being a mpg is having the press being obessed with them.

 

It took a bit for Ariana to have the drama and controversy that to get that obession.

 

Without that press, it made Ariana feel smaller than she was.

[Rotunda]

1. Ariana didn't have a "center of attention" moment until Thank U, Next. That's when obsession over her as a celebrity coincided with the public's love her for music. 
 

2. Ariana (imo) was the first MPG of the streaming era. It took a while for industry changes to reflect her relevance, but her pull with the younger crowd (and crossover appeal with Black audiences) was always there. 

[lgaga1fan]

It didn't. She's been there and half this site was too hyper focused on the older pop girls to admit Ariana was at their level. She's the biggest artist from her ex-act pack and the biggest celebrity from them. She was insta bagging massive hits and it took yall til TUN to realize she was a massive force WW. She was doing stadiums overseas that some "MPGs" couldn't even book in 2016

[Joey307]

2 hours ago, Vrx. said:

No she wasn't. me was her "breakthrough" era and despite all the payola and Teenage Dream levels of promo and latching onto the biggest fad of the year (Iggy) she still couldn't score a #1.

The delusion to pretend that Problem wasn't a smash because it peaked one spot shy of #1 is hilarious. Not to mention she also released Break Free (#4) and Love Me Harder (#7) that same year. 
 

2 hours ago, Vrx. said:

Actually, all of her singles were released with artists that were of significantly higher status than her at the time to get her name out. Only ONE single from ME was a solo song. 

Break Free wasn't a feature in the way you morons pretend it was is in order to drag Ariana. It would've smashed without the "Featuring Zedd"  considering his name isn't big at all and it's not typical at all for producers to be featured in the name of a song. No one knew who The Weekend was in 2014 either. 
 

Adding to all of that, that "ONE" single has surpassed Problem, Break Free, and Love Me Harder in streaming today. 
 

2 hours ago, Vrx. said:

Revisionist history is insane. She was a mid tier pop girl who can go Top 40 for a long time until the TU,N era 

Dangerous Woman is currently eligible for 6x Platinum, Into You is currently eligible for 8x Platinum, No Tears Left To Cry for 7x Platinum. Charts aren't everything and these weren't the small hits you wish they were. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Joey307

[Saintlor]

Ariana was the first main pop girl to start her career in the streaming era and at the beginning of the death of the monoculture

 

I think these things made her trajectory different to any other MPG prior 

[Brooklyn Baby]

7 hours ago, Broken said:

This. 

 

According to stans, one hit/era wonders like Chappelle, Tayla and the JJ Abrams' daughter are the new MPG. 

Literally no one is calling Gracie and Tyla MPGs  a case can be made for Chappell.

 

Rooting for Tyla though