EnigmaticAndroid Posted September 1 Posted September 1 Katy was only bigger than Gaga during the Prism era. Yes, Katy had 5 #1s on 1 album, but that isn't everything. As overall eras, TF/M and BTW were bigger than OOTB and TD. Not to take away from Katy's success at the time, but Gaga was on another level in the pop world. Gaga repairing her career with Joanne and coming back with ASIB while Katy floundered is when they were truly went on different trajectories in the long-term.
Lüwís Posted September 1 Posted September 1 I remember being into KP when I Kissed a Girl and Hot N Cold came out, but then, within months, Gaga came out of nowhere and had a chokehold on pop culture—more so than KP ever had (even with Teenage Dream's huge singles). I feel like if Gaga never debuted, I would have been way more into KP than I ever was. Gaga always felt like the bigger star, the bigger name. ARTPOP was an underperformance compared to The Fame/The Fame Monster/Born This Way, but she was still a big star. Also, as someone else pointed out, ARTPOP's numbers were on par with Prism and Bangerz—their numbers were considered "highs" for them. I don't think KP ever surpassed Gaga. She came close to being even, or so, during Prism, but that's it. Gaga pulled far ahead after A Star Is Born and Chromatica. Gaga has always been better in every way. 3 1
Miracle Posted September 1 Posted September 1 Gaga has always been bigger than Katy except for maybe 3 years? But in the end, Gaga won TFM is bigger than Teenage Dream. BTW is bigger than PRISM. All other Gaga albums are bigger than the rest of Katy's. Bad Romance, Poker Face and Shallow are bigger than Roar, Dark Horse and Firework. 2 1
Jack! Posted September 1 Posted September 1 Their success was coherent for the most part of their respective careers up until about 2018, I'd say. I think things are different now because Gaga chose to explore other options, use her "down time" to work on extra-curricular projects, I guess you could put it. Allowing her to expand her audience, reach different target markets and be bigger to the public eye today. But it's interesting how similar the trajectory of their careers are up until Joanne and Witness. That was definitely where things switched.
MonsterNavy Posted September 2 Posted September 2 I dont know what kind of history revisionism yall have been doing lately but they have never been in the same level since day 1 if yall have been there at their peaks Katy had massive hits but people never cared about her as a celebrity. Gaga was the biggest celebrity in the world and every single move is on tv even her just stepping out of her hotel she had the massive hits and Britney level of celebrity status. She was the coolest girl in the world Katy had more #1s because of 69c discounts, remixes and last minute features and massive payola but that's it and even on the singles department, Gaga isn't even thst far from Katy's despite Gaga's songs not being pushed to #1 with discounts, remixes and massive payola Album sales: Gaga Touring: Gaga Acclaim: Gaga Awards: Gaga Talent: Gaga PopularityCelebrity Status: Gaga yall need to quit with this narrative cause again they were never in the same boat, like, ever 7
Bethenny Frankel Posted September 2 Posted September 2 The only time I'd say Katy was bigger was 2013-13 but even then the artRave was still a successful tour. Gaga winning a Grammy with Tony Bennett, the Golden Globe with AHS and the Sound of Music Oscars performance in 2015 combined with Rise flopping officially put Gaga ahead.
taylamour Posted September 2 Posted September 2 (edited) Gaga = blue Katy = red Add Taylor (not that she's relevant to the OP, but even Gaga peaked above Taylor today) Spoiler Edited September 2 by taylamour 2
Orsay Posted September 2 Posted September 2 (edited) gaga was always bigger, 2013-14 was a fluke even Katy knows it tbh, you can tell from her early interactions with/interview comments about Gaga that she felt inferior. Gaga was mean and pretentious about it pre-2013 but we all know Artpop humbled ha and she's not like that anymore. it probably had to happen and was for the best (for Gaga at least), retrospectively Edited September 2 by Orsay 1
MonsterNavy Posted September 2 Posted September 2 even in the Teenage Dream era (2010-2012) Gaga was still miles bigger than Katy. You have to understand that Gaga and her team never really pushed Gaga's singles from 2008-2011 the way Katy & Rihanna pushed their singles at that time. Katy & Rihanna were playing the game and that's why all their songs went #1 ARTPOP was seen as an underperformance album sales wise but its sales were on par with Miley's Bangerz and Katy's Prism even when they were both ahead of Gaga in the singles department back then 2013-2014 might be the only years Katy was slightly bigger than Gaga because of how massive Roar & Dark Horse then when all ARTPOP's singles flopped but other than the singles department, Gaga was still on par or bigger than Katy in orher departments 2015-2024 its Gaga so yeah i'll give Katy 2013-2014 I guess 1
Tylerbv Posted September 2 Posted September 2 Katy's been bigger for a few months during TD and for the Roar-Dark Horse period. That's it.
AvadaKedavra Posted September 2 Posted September 2 (edited) When she showed artistry,classyness and how she was bigger than the Electro Pop wave itself (EDM was fading in the mid 2010s) From another flash in the pan-she is over-seen as a clown no talent to...................... she's a modern legend. She's incredible. We love her again. She regained all the goodwill from her first eras And katy instead of showing evolution and movin with the trends she showed this Electropop album with messy lyrics and just bad thing after bad thing. Videos, style, everything lol Edited September 2 by AvadaKedavra 1
FrederickGa Posted September 2 Posted September 2 Gaga has always been ahead of Katy, Katy just came close overall during PRISM Era but Gaga was already ahead after TF, TFM & BTW
FrederickGa Posted September 2 Posted September 2 3 hours ago, Sheep said: Katy was only bigger from 2012-4, I say this as a die hard of both. Even during the height of TD when Katy was getting better numbers, Gaga's grip on the culture was at the level of Taylor Swift's in 2024. Taylor has fan-inflated stats Not same level of Gaga's IMPACT during her IMPERIAL Phase 1
JoeAg Posted September 2 Posted September 2 surpass* but uhhh I'd say it happened instantly with her The Sound of Music tribute performance. she kinda solidified SUPER in-it-for-the-long-haul earnestness at that moment for the broadest scope. if we were to pinpoint exact critical and commercial moments of her surpassing Katy, it'd be maybe the release of The Fame Monster already being more substantial, profound, and instantly impactful than anything that an artist of Katy's caliber could even dream of producing and releasing; and for the commercial aspect, well, we unfortunately had to wait for Katy to start flopping with Birthday (a shame, cause it's one of her best songs, and also a f*cking goddamned shame because Gaga deserved to have been more commercially successful than Katy way before that). so tl;dr for a combined surpassing moment, look no further than The Sound of Music performance. but for more in-depth, separate analysis, TFM for critical, Birthday flopping for commercial! 1
Rino Posted September 2 Posted September 2 (edited) I don't really like him but that youtuber Todd in the Shadows put it perfectly: "there are 2 types of pop stars. first are the ones that are so compelling, so infused with that star quality and creativity, that they will always have that loyal core fanbase waiting for the next record. and then there are the superstars who will be superstars for as long as the music is good, and if the bops stop coming for even a second, they are gone". Spoiler Gaga has proven to be the first type of pop star, while Katy never broke out of the second type. Edited September 2 by Rino 3
Daglazzo Posted September 2 Posted September 2 8 hours ago, Ramcoro said: Another Katy vs Gaga thread Objectively the "bigger" (who was dominating charts/radio at the moment) artist was Before December 2008 - Katy Perry Between December 2009 and May 2010 - Lady Gaga Between May 2010 and February 2011 - Katy Perry* Between February 2011 and May 2011 - Lady Gaga Between June 2011 and February 2015 - Katy Perry 2015 Suber Bowl - 2017 Super Bowl Lady Gaga Parts of 2017: Katy Perry After Feels dies off: Mostly Lady Gaga ** *Before anyone comes for me, I am talking about who was dominating the charts and radio at the time. Yes, they both had breaks in between these moments, which gave space for the other. ** After 2017, they both took breaks, but LG was much more active and bigger on charts/radio. KP's depression and large gaps hit her hard (her mental health and career.) She's had some moments in the sun post-2017. We can't ignore NRO and HIW going viral. Even if her music is not nearly as successful, you cannot deny her star power. Hell, she went viral for a fake AI image at the Met Gala she didn't attend. Any time she says something remotely unbefitting, it also go virals. If she was truly a "has been" we would not care she tweeted about a cyber truck. We wouldn't be see the 1,000 threads a day about her. No one would even think to ask "Who had the bigger music career Ashlee Simpson or Adele?" It's not 2009 or 2013 anymore. Let's grow up a little bit. I am pretty sure both hate the constant comparisons. I actually think Katy is LIVING for such comparisons, it makes her feel like she's someone. Gaga is the one who simply doesn't care just like us, cause you can't compare broken bike to Lamborghini…
Aries Groove Posted September 2 Posted September 2 11 hours ago, Calvin said: 2024 You dont even believe that
Blade Posted September 2 Posted September 2 17 hours ago, FrederickGa said: Gaga has always been ahead of Katy, Katy just came close overall during PRISM Era but Gaga was already ahead after TF, TFM & BTW It really puts the Roar v Applause fight in perspective when this was an embarrassing loss for Gaga: Roar #1 (17 weeks Top 10) Applause #4 (14 weeks Top 10) but this is how Katy's losses look now: Die With A Smile #3 (3+ weeks Top 10) Woman's World #63 (1 week)
znake Posted September 2 Posted September 2 Katy ROAR and her 6 #1 singles destroyed gaga , and dont let me mention Dark Horse and I kissed a girl
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted September 2 Posted September 2 (edited) When you really think about it, Gaga was actually always miles miles ahead of Katy since the veru start. Katy caught up a bit when Gaga slowed down a bit with ARTPOP but that doesnt mean Katy surpassed Gaga. And when Gaga performed The Sound of Music and onwards until today, the race has finished with a clear winner. Edited September 2 by duybeeGAshantiGA
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