base talk Are you shocked to learn that Kesha wrote Joyride with one of Dr Luke's inner circle?

[eyeroll]

hi kitties! I'd like to gently guide you home  

[YourFavoriteWeapon]

2 minutes ago, eyeroll said:

hi kitties! I'd like to gently guide you home  

The way I thought you were shading me at first omg  

[eyeroll]

1 minute ago, YourFavoriteWeapon said:

The way I thought you were shading me at first omg  

Not at all - honestly appreciated your thread and glad you were able to find some humor in it 

[YourFavoriteWeapon]

1 minute ago, eyeroll said:

Not at all - honestly appreciated your thread and glad you were able to find some humor in it 

The six Kats will all simultaneously have a 5150 moment the second the first day streams and Metacritic number comes in 

 

[MattieB]

On 8/31/2024 at 12:55 AM, YourFavoriteWeapon said:

I'm sure Kesha is way less critical of someone like Madison, a struggling songwriter who is in no position to turn down any gig. That's very different than someone like Katy who is worth $500M and could've afforded to run to any other producer that isn't a known rapist of multiple women. 

Babes we can't apply common sense here

[Yes, AND]

2 hours ago, MattieB said:

Babes we can't apply common sense here

Except Madison isn't a struggling songwriter. She has been involved in some of the biggest pop hits in recent years. 

[znake]

I'm not surprised 

[SoulKiwi]

On 9/4/2024 at 7:05 PM, Yes, AND said:

Except Madison isn't a struggling songwriter. She has been involved in some of the biggest pop hits in recent years. 

Well let's take a look. The only hits she has credits for this decade (both from over 4 years ago btw) are:

Ava's "King's and Queens" (<400k daily Spotify streams as of 09/01)

Gaga's "Sour Candy" (<90k streams as of 09/01)

Each song has 6+ songwriters. 
 

And looking further to last decade, we have:

MGK & Camila's "Bad Things" (<150k streams as of 09/01)

G-Eazy & Halsey's "Him & I" (<400k streams as of 09/01).
Ava's "Sweet but Psycho" (<550k Spotify streams as of 09/01)

All three have 5+ songwriters.

 

Only Ava's songs and "Him & I" would be Madison's real money makers. Considering each of these were released in the streaming era, their primary source of consumption is streaming. We know the base royalties for songwriters on Spotify is **** to begin with, and that's not even taking into account how the royalties will be split between the songwriters, producers, singer, etc.

 

But yes, I'm sure she is definitely able to pick and choose all her gigs.

 

Edited September 6 by SoulKiwi

[Yes, AND]

2 hours ago, SoulKiwi said:

Well let's take a look. The only hits she has credits for this decade (both from over 4 years ago btw) are:

Ava's "King's and Queens" (<400k daily Spotify streams as of 09/01)

Gaga's "Sour Candy" (<90k streams as of 09/01)

Each song has 6+ songwriters. 
 

And looking further to last decade, we have:

MGK & Camila's "Bad Things" (<150k streams as of 09/01)

G-Eazy & Halsey's "Him & I" (<400k streams as of 09/01).
Ava's "Sweet but Psycho" (<550k Spotify streams as of 09/01)

All three have 5+ songwriters.

 

Only Ava's songs and "Him & I" would be Madison's real money makers. Considering each of these were released in the streaming era, their primary source of consumption is streaming. We know the base royalties for songwriters on Spotify is **** to begin with, and that's not even taking into account how the royalties will be split between the songwriters, producers, singer, etc.

 

But yes, I'm sure she is definitely able to pick and choose all her gigs.

 

She definitely aint struggling to "put food on the table " as some claimed. 

[SoulKiwi]

26 minutes ago, Yes, AND said:

She definitely aint struggling to "put food on the table " as some claimed. 

Not struggling to put food on table =/= able to say no to any job she wants.

 

I don't struggle to put food on my table either, yet I can't really say no to working at my job because the thing about money is…it runs out  

[Yes, AND]

30 minutes ago, SoulKiwi said:

Not struggling to put food on table =/= able to say no to any job she wants.

 

I don't struggle to put food on my table either, yet I can't really say no to working at my job because the thing about money is…it runs out  

Well you can always look for a different job, instead of staying at one you dont like or picking up a part time gig with an employee you dont like. 

SO i guess Madison made her choice. Same as Mariah. Same as Katy. Yet only one woman is being attacked over it. Wonder why that is  ? 

[SoulKiwi]

3 minutes ago, Yes, AND said:

Well you can always look for a different job, instead of staying at one you dont like or picking up a part time gig with an employee you dont like. 

SO i guess Madison made her choice. Same as Mariah. Same as Katy. Yet only one woman is being attacked over it. Wonder why that is  ? 

And while she's looking for another job, especially in a field like the songwriting industry where each paycheck/royalty check isn't guaranteed to be the same amount unlike an hourly or salary job would, that money will be used up and slowly deplete as you pay bills, buy food, buy clothes, buy gas, etc.

 

The lengths you'll go instead of just saying

 "Katy Perry, [who was one of the biggest hit makers of the last two decades, and likely has  more money in the bank than all of ATRL COMBINED] why did you work with Dr. Luke instead of literally any other producer who would definitely jump on board to help you out?"

[Yes, AND]

17 minutes ago, SoulKiwi said:

And while she's looking for another job, especially in a field like the songwriting industry where each paycheck/royalty check isn't guaranteed to be the same amount unlike an hourly or salary job would, that money will be used up and slowly deplete as you pay bills, buy food, buy clothes, buy gas, etc.

 

The lengths you'll go instead of just saying

 "Katy Perry, [who was one of the biggest hit makers of the last two decades, and likely has  more money in the bank than all of ATRL COMBINED] why did you work with Dr. Luke instead of literally any other producer who would definitely jump on board to help you out?"

Same applies to Mariah i guess. But she gets a pass huh. 

 

It's funny how most of ATRL refers to Katy as a "fad of 2012" but now she is suddenly one of the biggest hitmakers of the last 2 decades LOL 

 

@spree the girls be funny ! 

[Yes, AND]

22 minutes ago, SoulKiwi said:

And while she's looking for another job, especially in a field like the songwriting industry where each paycheck/royalty check isn't guaranteed to be the same amount unlike an hourly or salary job would, that money will be used up and slowly deplete as you pay bills, buy food, buy clothes, buy gas, etc.

 

The lengths you'll go instead of just saying

 "Katy Perry, [who was one of the biggest hit makers of the last two decades, and likely has  more money in the bank than all of ATRL COMBINED] why did you work with Dr. Luke instead of literally any other producer who would definitely jump on board to help you out?"

Gurl what are you even talking about ? Madison is signed to APG and gets her check weekly. You're literally just inventing the most random **** to justify her working with Luke. 

Sit down. 

[Yes, AND]

An ATRL user has just made this outrageous claim to which I am completely shocked. 

I have only ever seen Katy referred to as a "fad of 2012" since I joined the site. What is this sudden revisionism about or do people now agree that Katy Perry was indeed one of the biggest hit makers of the last two decades? 

 

 

Thoughts ? 

[SoulKiwi]

16 minutes ago, Yes, AND said:

Same applies to Mariah i guess. But she gets a pass huh. 

 

It's funny how most of ATRL refers to Katy as a "fad of 2012" but now she is suddenly one of the biggest hitmakers of the last 2 decades LOL 

 

@spree the girls be funny ! 

Well considering neither I nor your original OP mentioned Mariah, I have not to say (especially since I know little regarding her and who she works with). I'm sure you can go make another thread about it to try and distract from Katy again though.

 

13 minutes ago, Yes, AND said:

Gurl what are you even talking about ? Madison is signed to APG and gets her check weekly. You're literally just inventing the most random **** to justify her working with Luke. 

Sit down. 

She gets her check weekly, however the check isn't the same amount per week unless those sales and streams remain perfectly consistent 24/7  asking "what are you even talking about" whew…

[SoulKiwi]

*was

 

If you want to quote me, quote me correctly  

 

Maybe if she didn't work with Luke, that power wouldn't have diminished to where she is now 

Edited September 7 by SoulKiwi

[ThomasTea]

Damn, everyone and their mother are really begging for a hit Katy thread on here atm… 

[blastoisebaby]

The girls are fighting....

[Gorjesspazze9]

She is. This ain't even a debate. 

[Distantconstellation]

That's an objective fact. Atrl popper gays are the maga of gays.

[Sprite]

She always outperforms every girl she's paired up against on hit making (except Rihanna), on here at least. I always thought her hit making status was overrated but whatever...

[Taylena]

I really REALLY don't like Katy Perry but that statement is not a lie. She was the biggest female pop star for a while. 

[Joey307]

I Kissed a Girl 

Hot n' Cold 

California Gurls 

Teenage Dream 

Firework 
E.T. 
TGIF 

TOTGA

Part of Me 

Wide Awake 

Roar

Dark Horse 

 

A lot of these are classics tbh so yes I'd say there's truth to it 

[Erotic]

Well they're only 50% wrong  which is a failure in any school, but points for effort