base talk Is Taylor's downfall imminent?

[Rihinvention]

3 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

No. She will at least have success well into her late 40s. 

 

By the time she turns 48 and releases an out of touch record that doenst resonate with younger fans (like Madge had with MDNA) then we're talking

I think Taylor will age much more gracefully, and will veer towards making music that's inspired by timeless sounds, like Fleetwood Mac's work. Her fans today will probably still be invested in her new music when she's older, and its authenticity might even perform well with young people of the future.

 

Don't get me wrong, her star-power will definitely fade when she's older, but I don't see her dressing like Miss Vanjie and releasing a robotic dance-pop album called Cokelore when she's 53.

 

I don't think it will ever truly be "out of touch" like Madonna is. It'll be more like folklore/evermore (maybe even back to country) and young people will either like it, or see it as "for their parents."

 

But I don't see her clinging to her youth in the way that Madonna does, aside from maybe writing the odd high school metaphor. I do hope she grows out of that eventually though.

 

Edited August 29 by Rihinvention

[Polgg48]

her recent downfall was matty healy thing and she bit her tongue to acknowledge that trainwreck really swift. what im thinking coming up next is her next sound, the replicate patterns from folk-evermore and last two albums are part one-two which obviously wrote all before tour began. now she still on tour and stuck with jack will cause more trouble for next material, she need new team or back to max martin.  

[Totami Legend]

Y'all never learn, she is going to have re-peak

[Gelato]

if she reinvents herself again then no

 

if she doesn't then she won't have a downfall per se but she will start to decline a little over time just from exhaustion

[Starfish]

She isn't releasing anything before 2025 so it doesn't matter what the public thinks of her now. 

[no_better]

Can Swifties of atrl please tell me why is Taylor Swift praised more now than she was during folklore/evermore era when her artistry was at its highest...

 

Apart from a handful of Midnights tracks from the 3AM version (such as Would've, could've, should've), her output was (to me) disappointing.

 

And so even if she doesn't have a downfall with the gp I think music nerds are done with her

 

Edit: And before you come at me saying I'm a hater, she is my second most listened to artist on last.fm, but as a fan I have been incredibly disappointed with her music since Midnights

Edited August 29 by no_better

[LosingHimWasBlue]

I think i've seen this thread before (for 363737 times) and we did knew the ending... 

[By the Water]

ATRL told me reputation was her BTW and that her Artpop was coming so any day now 

[Kiss It Better]

yall always say this then she keeps getting bigger like..... 

[Yayo94]

I always hope the celebrities now get super not-famous in the future so that I can pay like 20$ to meet them when I'm 60 and they're 70/80 and we're all just chill

[ONOPKA]

keep saying it

 

just keep saying it out loud

 

and maybe you will convince hope.

[Outlaws]

Nah, she has a fanbase that is big enough to keep carrying her career and her failures.

[mael]

It's only been a week since She's been on break, come awn now... 

[Gagaast]

I hope, as a fan, that she faces a slight downfall, and she will. But not in the way OP or other hope.

 

Because TS 13 should be her peak so a bit of correction (just like stock market correction during Bullrun) is essential.

[Eternal220]

No. You guys have been saying this since Reputation and she has just become way bigger since.

[DevilsRollTheDice]

4 hours ago, Shimenawa said:

She has a huge fanbase of teen girls. They will keep buying everything she puts out for years to come

I'm amazed that the "teen girls" thing continues to be a justification for Taylor's success when her career (and multi platinum debut) are now old enough to vote 

 

Swifties giving immoral Cullens, we love to see it. 

Edited August 29 by DevilsRollTheDice

[T.O.A.D.S.]

2 hours ago, Rihinvention said:

I think Taylor will age much more gracefully, and will veer towards making albums that are inspired by much more timeless sounds, like Fleetwood Mac. Her fans today will probably still be invested in her older releases, and its authenticity might even perform well with young people of the future.

 

Don't get me wrong, her star-power will definitely fade when she's older, but I don't see her dressing like Miss Vanjie and releasing a robotic dance-pop album called Cokelore when she's 53.

 

I don't think it will ever truly be "out of touch" like Madonna is. It'll be more like folklore/evermore (maybe even back to country) and young people will either like it, or see it as "for their parents."

 

But I don't see her clinging to her youth in the way that Madonna does, aside from maybe writing the odd high school metaphor. I do hope she grows out of that eventually though.

Taylor is already following the MDNA blueprint by using younger, more hip artists (e.g. Karma remix was essentially her GMAYL moment). The difference is that Taylor started latching onto younger artists a lot earlier in her career than Madonna. It will be interesting to see which Gen Alpha singers she milks when she's 54…

 

When Madonna was 34, not even during her backlash Erotica era, did she didn't feel the need to do that…

[Rihinvention]

19 minutes ago, T.O.A.D.S. said:

Taylor is already following the MDNA blueprint by using younger, more hip artists (e.g. Karma remix was essentially her GMAYL moment). The difference is that Taylor started latching onto younger artists a lot earlier in her career than Madonna. It will be interesting to see which Gen Alpha singers she milks when she's 54…

 

When Madonna was 34, not even during her backlash Erotica era, did she didn't feel the need to do that… at 34 is just a collaboration. It's not "oh no, I desperately need a younger artist to stay relevant."

A collaboration at 34 is just a collaboration.

 

It's not, "oh no…I desperately need to work with a younger artist to seem hip with the kiddos."

 

Call me crazy, but I think Taylor was more popular with teenagers than Ice Spice was anyway, so…what?

 

Edited August 29 by Rihinvention

[Lemon]

45 minutes ago, no_better said:

Can Swifties of atrl please tell me why is Taylor Swift praised more now than she was during folklore/evermore era when her artistry was at its highest...

 

Apart from a handful of Midnights tracks from the 3AM version (such as Would've, could've, should've), her output was (to me) disappointing.

 

And so even if she doesn't have a downfall with the gp I think music nerds are done with her

 

Edit: And before you come at me saying I'm a hater, she is my second most listened to artist on last.fm, but as a fan I have been incredibly disappointed with her music since Midnights

Music nerds… 

[Hexchromatica]

Her career is off to a shaky start

 

[305]

Yall have said this every year since like 2018:

The general public is not Twitter, go outside and talk to people 

[fromily]

tbh she's too big to fail now and unlike the banks she has amassed not only incalculable wealth but also a core audience of hardcore female fans and those, traditionally, are the most ride or die when it comes to supporting their faves. usually they'll only jump ship if they're stanning a man and he starts dating/gets married. honestly the only way i can see taylor taking a major hit would be if the gaylor conspiracy nuts are right and she comes out as a lesbian, which would lose her a big chunk of her more conservative base. even then she'd still be more successful than 99% of her peers so at the end of the day... we're stuck with her 

 

Spoiler

tbh i'd be here for a gay taylor. not musically ofc, but here nonetheless.

[Cruel Summer]

Yes. She's finally been defeated and will never have another week at #1, she'll start debuting with 90+% less units, she'll stop being the most-streamed artist literally every single day, and she'll fade away without so much as a whisper of a legacy.

 

Anyway, realistically, her literally unparalleled consistency in terms of success, celebrity, and relevance suggests she's never going to have a downfall. She'll naturally decline very slowly and one day won't be the biggest artist in the world anymore, but at this rate, we're looking at that happening sometime in the 2030s and she's likely to be the kind of commercial force that can always grab a few weeks at #1, especially in the US, until she decides to retire or passes away decades from now. Two straight decades of nonstop commercial dominance is enough to establish her as a commercial anomaly that isn't going to spontaneously self-resolve.

[Revolution]

inshallah

[Slap]

3 hours ago, The7thStranger said:

Taylor doesn't tend to take too many artistic risks, so I don't know that we're going to see her get backlash. That seems unlikely. I think it's more likely that people could simply tire of her omnipresence.

Katy Perry arguably didn't take creative risks and look where that got her though…

 

Everything that goes up must come down, it might seem impossible right now but it will happen to Taylor, especially because she's a woman and let's face it being super successful as a woman makes you a huge target. But she will always be successful to some degree if she can even hold onto like 10% of her fanbase.
 

As with all huge artists there is about 50% GP who will shift to the next big thing once it becomes uncool, 10% lifetime hardcore fans, 30% of people stanning her to have an identity that is consistent with the zeitgeist and 10% of people who listen to her and don't care about what others thing.