base talk Should Taylor let others shine?

[Princess Aurora]

I say yes

[Feanor]

It's not her fault she's such a dominant force.  

The others can and are having their own success stories, but that's no reason why Taylor should dim her own light just because no one else is as big of a star as she is.

[family.guy123]

30 minutes ago, latingrl2005 said:

That's where your complete wrong. I understand. Women are always told to tone it down, dont rock the boat and support other women. That's not how the real world works. No one gives up there top spot to no one. If you are given a raise do you turn it down to help your fellow worker? If Taylor stopped making music do you really believe any of these artist would sell 1m the first week? There are 8b people on earth, why can't any of them motivate 1m people to buy their music? Is Taylor stopping the whole world from buying music?

Your CEO comparison is stupid and illogical, was my point. Doubling down with an even worse comparison isn't helping whatever point you're trying to make. 
 

The much more intelligent and articulate user above me laid it out better than I would be able to. 
 

But to answer your question, if I had already reached the pinnacle of my career and for whatever reason I was given the choice for a $0.50 raise for either myself or for a more junior, possibly impoverished employee, I would give it up to them, yes. You? 

[Bussea]

how about we stop making everything Taylor's responsibility. maybe if yall would actually stream the artists yall keep claiming she's blocking instead of obsessing over her variants and what her fanbase is doing, maybe your "fav's" wouldnt sink like a rock in their second week. it's so funny how yall make everything a competition one second but then want to sit and clutch your pearls the next   

 

she doesn't have to minimize her success for anyone. step your game up

Edited August 16 by Bussea

[latingrl2005]

1 hour ago, Rihinvention said:

We're…sexist because we want OTHER women to share her spotlight?   
 

I feel like your point would make more sense if the men in this conversation were advocating for male artists to get a #1 album. But…we're not. We're literally advocating for OTHER women to get one simple thing: No sales tactics during their release weeks/biggest sales weeks, so that they can (potentially) achieve the HUGE career milestone of a #1 album, for something that they've worked really hard on.

 

No one remembers if an album spent 3 weeks, or 11 weeks, or 5 weeks at #1. But being able to say your album went #1 at all is a huge accomplishment for ALL women. It's how people introduce you in radio interviews, TV interviews and award shows. Not to mention the pride and joy each (female) artist would feel after achieving it. It's a really big deal.

 

Also, no one's saying she should "step down" or "retire." We're simply saying "doing everything in your power to prevent another girl from getting a #1 album isn't a good look."

 

I say all of this as a huge Taylor fan myself.

 

She has a lyric, "we all got crowns." Well, this is not crown-straightening behaviour. This is "we have to add more jewels to MY crown this week so that SHE doesn't get one" behaviour. Whether it's her intention or not, that's how it looks.

 

So kindly, don't accuse us of being sexist for advocating for ALL women. That's a very serious accusation and it's completely missing the point.

 

Lastly, comparing someone to a relentless CEO isn't the slay you think it is. The CEOs that stand out in society are the ones who do good in this world. Remember when Taylor donated all that money to her truck drivers and food banks in each city? That's the Taylor people want to see. We want to see her congratulating other women for getting the #1 spot, not doing everything in her power to stop it, including variants that are only available for 1 week, exclusively in the country that's posing a "threat" in the charts.

 

And here's the thing: if you're a CEO with 20 years of experience, the newcomer's not stealing your job anyway. We're just saying "celebrate the kid's wins along the way. It'll make everyone around you go, "you know what, she's a great person. I really like her. No wonder she's the CEO."

Aren't they shining? As far I see everyone is having a moment. But it's still not Taylor's  problem if no one wants to buy their music. Why can't any of them sell more 100k in the 1st week? This is the real issue. They don't make people stan and support them with cash. You have to wonder why they aren't connecting with fans they why Taylor has. 

[latingrl2005]

1 hour ago, family.guy123 said:

Your CEO comparison is stupid and illogical, was my point. Doubling down with an even worse comparison isn't helping whatever point you're trying to make. 
 

The much more intelligent and articulate user above me laid it out better than I would be able to. 
 

But to answer your question, if I had already reached the pinnacle of my career and for whatever reason I was given the choice for a $0.50 raise for either myself or for a more junior, possibly impoverished employee, I would give it up to them, yes. You? 

In what job do they ask if you want to donate your raise? No one retires once they reach the top. That's when the hard work really starts. 

[lonnie]

The funniest part is it's purely her fans and not the GP consuming the exclusives like this. Taylor saw what the big shot K-Pop groups like BTS were doing and took from their playbook and extended it to such an extreme because really what's the point of these weekly releases

It's so strange how can someone this successful and wealthy be so thirsty for a vanity record/extended stay at number one. And the fans that buy her stuff aren't any better than the BTS stans they used to drag some years back

[Rihinvention]

32 minutes ago, latingrl2005 said:

Aren't they shining? As far I see everyone is having a moment. But it's still not Taylor's  problem if no one wants to buy their music. Why can't any of them sell more 100k in the 1st week? This is the real issue. They don't make people stan and support them with cash. You have to wonder why they aren't connecting with fans they why Taylor has. 

Because Taylor Swift is literally the sun. No one is telling her to dim her light. At this point, I don't even think that's possible.

 

But if Chappell is moving 70k units in a week, and Taylor releases variants to bump TTPD up to 75k units for that week, then that's like if the sun lit a match to distract all the other stars in the sky from noticing a shooting star passing by.

 

Does that singular match change how big the sun is? No. Does that singular match make the sun's fire noticeably bigger? No. But it's just enough to steal the thunder from a shooting star that had one opportunity to shine.

 

No one is saying Chappell or Charli should work on their craft until they're selling 2.5 million albums. That's not even possible because Taylor is a once-in-a-generation talent. We're just saying that she's doing unnecessary things to prevent other female artists from achieving one of their lifelong dreams.

 

You're talking in such extremities. Like if another female artist had the #1 album for 1 week, Taylor would drop off the face of the earth and her career would never recover.

 

Even if another female artist gets 1 week at #1, Taylor Swift is still the biggest artist of our generation.

 

Even if another female artist gets 1 week at #1, Taylor Swift is still the one selling millions of albums.

 

Even if, for 1 week, people acknowledge another artist's little "shooting star" – Taylor Swift is still the sun.

 

An extra 5k albums (compared to the millions she's already sold) is a drop in the ocean, or a match next to the sun. It makes no difference. She's doing all of this for what was going to be one of her lowest TTPD sales weeks anyway, but for Chappell, it probably would have been the highlight of her life.

 

My argument, as a Swiftie, is that it's not even worth the damage she's doing to her brand. Ironically, I think she would actually win more people over by celebrating other artists and congratulating Chappell.

 

 

Edited August 16 by Rihinvention

[latingrl2005]

4 hours ago, Rihinvention said:

Because Taylor Swift is literally the sun. No one is telling her to dim her light. At this point, I don't even think that's possible.

 

But if Chappell is moving 70k units in a week, and Taylor releases variants to bump TTPD up to 75k units for that week, then that's like if the sun lit a match to distract all the other stars in the sky from noticing a shooting star passing by.

 

Does that singular match change how big the sun is? No. Does that singular match make the sun's fire noticeably bigger? No. But it's just enough to steal the thunder from a shooting star that had one opportunity to shine.

 

No one is saying Chappell or Charli should work on their craft until they're selling 2.5 million albums. That's not even possible because Taylor is a once-in-a-generation talent. We're just saying that she's doing unnecessary things to prevent other female artists from achieving one of their lifelong dreams.

 

You're talking in such extremities. Like if another female artist had the #1 album for 1 week, Taylor would drop off the face of the earth and her career would never recover.

 

Even if another female artist gets 1 week at #1, Taylor Swift is still the biggest artist of our generation.

 

Even if another female artist gets 1 week at #1, Taylor Swift is still the one selling millions of albums.

 

Even if, for 1 week, people acknowledge another artist's little "shooting star" – Taylor Swift is still the sun.

 

An extra 5k albums (compared to the millions she's already sold) is a drop in the ocean, or a match next to the sun. It makes no difference. She's doing all of this for what was going to be one of her lowest TTPD sales weeks anyway, but for Chappell, it probably would have been the highlight of her life.

 

My argument, as a Swiftie, is that it's not even worth the damage she's doing to her brand. Ironically, I think she would actually win more people over by celebrating other artists and congratulating Chappell.

 

 

Look at this week. Chappell couldn't get 5000 people to buy her ablum to even compete with Taylor. Personally, Taylor is giving these artist free publicity and all the hater coming together can't beat her.

[The Music Industry]

10 hours ago, getBusy said:

The thing is, just because she's not #1 one week that doesn't mean she's not shining. But for other artists, hitting #1 would be huge. 

Well maybe they should try harder? 

 

[HASHTAGPOW]

No

 

[Gui Blackout]

10 hours ago, getBusy said:

The thing is, just because she's not #1 one week that doesn't mean she's not shining. But for other artists, hitting #1 would be huge. 

Sell more albums then. It's that's simple.

[a_d_22]

It's the music industry not a charity FFS

[unino]

so taylor and swifties do not care about smaller artists.

for smaller artists to have little moments and score that n.1 spot could really boost their career to another level, and ofc the success obsessed artist and fan base would know that.

those artists have worked hard to get their moment and probably won't have another chance at it. 

[Soda Pop Queen]

Not "let"  I know she's hyperbolically referred to as "the music industry" but she doesn't actually control/run the industry. Other popular artists are gonna shine and shine big regardless of any of her shenanigans. I mean, Ms. Eilish is proving that right now.

[jomarr]

No but she shouldn't also get in the way in purpose. Just screams demon energy.

[latingrl2005]

9 hours ago, unino said:

so taylor and swifties do not care about smaller artists.

for smaller artists to have little moments and score that n.1 spot could really boost their career to another level, and ofc the success obsessed artist and fan base would know that.

those artists have worked hard to get their moment and probably won't have another chance at it. 

Don't these artist have there own fans? Why do swifties need to be involved? Why do we NEED to support small artist? I did 20 years ago Taylor. Now it's time for these new girls to spend 13 hours signing autographs, meeting 500k fans to be able to seell 500k. This was Taylor's way.

 

 

Cause aren't we broke from buying 3557789900 versions of TTPD.

Edited August 17 by latingrl2005

[byzantium]

On 8/16/2024 at 3:24 PM, Rihinvention said:

Because Taylor Swift is literally the sun. No one is telling her to dim her light. At this point, I don't even think that's possible.

 

But if Chappell is moving 70k units in a week, and Taylor releases variants to bump TTPD up to 75k units for that week, then that's like if the sun lit a match to distract all the other stars in the sky from noticing a shooting star passing by.

 

Does that singular match change how big the sun is? No. Does that singular match make the sun's fire noticeably bigger? No. But it's just enough to steal the thunder from a shooting star that had one opportunity to shine.

 

No one is saying Chappell or Charli should work on their craft until they're selling 2.5 million albums. That's not even possible because Taylor is a once-in-a-generation talent. We're just saying that she's doing unnecessary things to prevent other female artists from achieving one of their lifelong dreams.

 

You're talking in such extremities. Like if another female artist had the #1 album for 1 week, Taylor would drop off the face of the earth and her career would never recover.

 

Even if another female artist gets 1 week at #1, Taylor Swift is still the biggest artist of our generation.

 

Even if another female artist gets 1 week at #1, Taylor Swift is still the one selling millions of albums.

 

Even if, for 1 week, people acknowledge another artist's little "shooting star" – Taylor Swift is still the sun.

 

An extra 5k albums (compared to the millions she's already sold) is a drop in the ocean, or a match next to the sun. It makes no difference. She's doing all of this for what was going to be one of her lowest TTPD sales weeks anyway, but for Chappell, it probably would have been the highlight of her life.

 

My argument, as a Swiftie, is that it's not even worth the damage she's doing to her brand. Ironically, I think she would actually win more people over by celebrating other artists and congratulating Chappell.

 

 

You are putting far too much value in chart positions.  Chappell and Charli are two of the most talked about artists right now and don't need taylor's charity.  

[Enrique523]

Seriously, WHY are people acting as if the music industry is somehow a charity? It has never been a charity, nor should it be. People NEVER complained about this sh*t before Taylor became the #1 pop girl. The double standards people have for Taylor are out of this world, you guys are really not subtle about it 

[fridayteenage]

On 8/16/2024 at 8:52 AM, getBusy said:

The thing is, just because she's not #1 one week that doesn't mean she's not shining. But for other artists, hitting #1 would be huge. 

well

Kanye west

ty Dolla sign

Morgan wallen

Zach bryan

Morgan wallen

Billie eilish

ateez

gunna

Morgan wallen

future

Metro boomin

 

have #1 albums already

 

dua's sps was less than half of taylor's sea, so there's no way Taylor could have prevented being on top

gracie's SPS was slightly higher than taylor's sea, but Taylor would have had to find some way to erase 90% of her own sales to not be #1. and part of gracie's points were from a Taylor collab as it was so they would have been lower without Taylor.

Edited August 18 by fridayteenage

[Enrique523]

14 hours ago, byzantium said:

You are putting far too much value in chart positions.  Chappell and Charli are two of the most talked about artists right now and don't need taylor's charity.  

The reason why people think that way is because they want their faves to be #1, that's it. In order for Chappell or Charli to "shine", they apparently need to be #1 or it doesn't count. Stan culture is obsessed wit this idea that an artist has to be #1 in order for their success to truly "count". That's why OTHs are so hyperfocused on Taylor, it's because she can't be dislodged from the #1 position and they wish another pop girl they prefer would take that place.

 

In the past, before the streaming era, that's how people saw things. Anyone who's #1 in the charts in the big artist of the moment, it happened with Gaga, Rihanna, Katy,... There was this sense of competition for the #1 place in the charts overall. But now Taylor is the one who just STAYS at #1  no matter what and it drives OTHs crazy since they feel the charts are no longer truly competitive.

[shimind]

will you stop feeding yourself if it meant food was being given to poor? may be for a day or 2 but not forever... taylor tried to flop on purpose by releasing back to back crap snoozefest albums but gp wont let it happen 

[NextBish90]

Last night she said Jack Antonoff is the producer of the century, which means she thinks this to herself too. She is too self centered to even have the idea for others to shine.

[BabyBenzz]

no, she should not let others shine, its not her job to ''let'' other people shine.., it's not a damn charity so she should shine herself, as brightly and fiercely as she can... **** everyone else lol

[Klein]

On 8/18/2024 at 5:46 PM, Enrique523 said:

The reason why people think that way is because they want their faves to be #1, that's it. In order for Chappell or Charli to "shine", they apparently need to be #1 or it doesn't count. Stan culture is obsessed wit this idea that an artist has to be #1 in order for their success to truly "count". 

And that's the heart of the problem. ATRL will keep saying that charts don't matter, and yet will keep on crying about it week after week, giving them 10 times the importance that they actually have.