base talk Should Taylor let others shine?

[TeemoR]

If she was #1 with the original version of her album, people wouldn't complain. She would sit at #1, fair and square. But releasing those BS variants every week is just a lame, cheap tactic. 

[gatito]

1 hour ago, Rihinvention said:

Honestly, yes.

 

As a Swiftie myself, I feel like this behaviour is alienating her from having any moderate/casual fans.

she has plenty of those, that's the reason she's doing insane numbers

 

the rabid swifties buying all the vinyl variants, every merch drop and attending multiple eras tour dates are a very small minority 

[Lorenzo22]

charli and billie, who got blocked by taylor, are shining a lot recently, the fact that taylor is #1 on the charts doesn't mean they can't shine, it's literally just a chart, it doesn't affect anyone. same goes for chappel, and she probably will get that #1 eventually 

[family.guy123]

Check the year-end charts, billboard hot 100, Spotify charts, Oscars, family life, stable/real relationships of other artists. They are shining. 

Edited August 16 by family.guy123

[Goaty]

7 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

It wont damage them like u said but believe me the popgirls care. We have receipts of pop girls from today and the past gettin triggered cause they didnt get a Number one with album or singles.......

Ok but that's their problem. It's not Taylor's responsibility to take her foot off the pedal and let the other girls get a #1 here and there just because they can't keep up with her. 

[wastedpotential]

15 minutes ago, Daddy said:

Stay delulu sis 

 

Pray tell, what else has she done that interfered with the manifestations or expressions of any other artists' shines? She's been nowhere but on tour, with her man, and in the studio for MONTHS. Aside from random website uploads that won't get more than an insta story (sometimes) in promo, I literally can't think of anything else 

[Pheromosa]

Who is she stopping from shining? 

[Rihinvention]

2 minutes ago, gatito said:

she has plenty of those, that's the reason she's doing insane numbers

 

the rabid swifties buying all the vinyl variants, every merch drop and attending multiple eras tour dates are a very small minority 

I agree with the "rabid swifties are a small minority" part of your comment, but I think we might have different definitions of what a casual fan is. 
 

I meant the sorts of people who would sing the choruses of Love Story and Shake It Off in their car. They might not know the verses, but they'd have no shame in admitting that they're catchy.

 

Nowadays it feels like "I can name all 11 albums, in order, without having to think about it" or "I want to see her executed on live TV." There's no middle ground anymore.

[Daddy]

20 minutes ago, Rihinvention said:

I completely disagree with this "only people in pop music forums" argument. The rise of stan culture on TikTok is undeniable.

Also IG meme accounts and accounts like Paper Magazine made stan-lingo and awareness very very mainstream.

 

The way we spoke and acted on ATRL 10 years ago is now the norm online. 

[Khal]

If being #1 means so much to them, they should pull the same tactics Taylor is pulling and surpass her

[TaylorsSquad]

Acting like Taylor's dimming anyone's light because she can block them with a variant 

[Rihinvention]

2 minutes ago, Daddy said:

Also IG meme accounts and accounts like Paper Magazine made stan-lingo and awareness very very mainstream.

 

The way we spoke and acted on ATRL 10 years ago is now the norm online. 

Lmao. Literally the reason I ended up back here. I kept referencing ATRL in replies, because I was like "no no no. Sit down. You don't know who you're talking to. I was on ATRL, Twitter and Tumblr back when stanning was niche."

[byzantium]

The whole premise here is mostly just made up by Stans who have a hard time comprehending multiple women being successful at the same time.  
 

Taylor swift's fame does nothing to take away from other's.  This is not a zero sum game.  If anything, the success of so many pop girls this spring would suggest otherwise. 

[sweetkiss]

i think other people need to do better music, simple as that

[ttsmu]

6 minutes ago, sweetkiss said:

i think other people need to do better music, simple as that

Literally every single album released this year is way better than TTPD 

[Velvet Night]

1 hour ago, Rihinvention said:

Honestly, yes.

 

As a Swiftie myself, I feel like this behaviour is alienating her from having any moderate/casual fans.

 

Being a Swiftie is quickly becoming a religion and an entire identity, and if that doesn't resonate with people, they distance themselves from her fans as much as possible.

 

I actually think that Tree and Taylor need to start looking at this as a PR crisis, because for every Swiftie who's posting "YES! ANOTHER WEEK AT #1. SHE DESERVES IT! AND IF YOUR FAVES WERE ANYWHERE NEAR AS GOOD, THEY'D BE ABLE TO GET IT ON THEIR OWN"  — there's a Chappell Fan, or a Billie fan, or a Charli fan, going "oh…I really thought she deserved to get a #1 album with this era. It was pretty impactful and a career peak for her 😔"

 

Unlike sports, it's possible for fans of pop culture to root for multiple "teams" at once, because they're making similar art. If you like one girl's pop music…chances are…you'll like another girl's pop music, because she's also a girl…making pop music.

 

Whether or not Taylor's intention is to block other artists (or to simply break records) is beside-the-point to me. At the end of the day, I think it's pissing off other fan bases, and it's alienating Swifties from the wider pop music community. And from a PR perspective, I think regardless of her intentions, she and Tree need to be a little bit more aware of how it's being perceived.

Completely agree with this! As a more moderate fan of Taylor and a newer Chappell fan this is really off-putting for me. TTPD has already broken all the chart records, what more does Taylor want?! I feel like all my goodwill for her has just vanished more and more with every additional "special" album drop to draw out the sales.

Chappell has worked so hard to get where she is now and really deserved the number one! 

[sweetkiss]

1 minute ago, ttsmu said:

Literally every single album released this year is way better than TTPD 

yes to me too, but charts say otherwise, so if someone wants to do better than taylor do better in that sense (commercial)

[Kakihara]

Of course not, let her be. Not everything is about sales and crazy stans, some artists can shine on their own with their talents. 

[Teen Spirit]

31 minutes ago, Rihinvention said:

I agree with the "rabid swifties are a small minority" part of your comment, but I think we might have different definitions of what a casual fan is. 
 

I meant the sorts of people who would sing the choruses of Love Story and Shake It Off in their car. They might not know the verses, but they'd have no shame in admitting that they're catchy.

 

Nowadays it feels like "I can name all 11 albums, in order, without having to think about it" or "I want to see her executed on live TV." There's no middle ground anymore.

Yup. Sad.

[latingrl2005]

I can tell most on the forum are men. As a woman, if I worked 20 years in a company to become CEO, you better believe I would never step down to give my position to a new comer. It took 20 years and countless of other artists for Taylor to get here. Why should she step down? Did Katy, Rihanna or Lady Gaga step back for Taylor or did her hard work just paid off and men are bitter.

[Vegvisir]

2 hours ago, Rihinvention said:

Honestly, yes.

 

As a Swiftie myself, I feel like this behaviour is alienating her from having any moderate/casual fans.

 

Being a Swiftie is quickly becoming a religion and an entire identity, and if that doesn't resonate with people, they distance themselves from her fans as much as possible.

 

I actually think that Tree and Taylor need to start looking at this as a PR crisis, because for every Swiftie who's posting "YES! ANOTHER WEEK AT #1. SHE DESERVES IT! AND IF YOUR FAVES WERE ANYWHERE NEAR AS GOOD, THEY'D BE ABLE TO GET IT ON THEIR OWN"  — there's a Chappell Fan, or a Billie fan, or a Charli fan, going "oh…I really thought she deserved to get a #1 album with this era. It was pretty impactful and a career peak for her 😔"

 

Unlike sports, it's possible for fans of pop culture to root for multiple "teams" at once, because they're making similar art. If you like one girl's pop music…chances are…you'll like another girl's pop music, because she's also a girl…making pop music.

 

Whether or not Taylor's intention is to block other artists (or to simply break records) is beside-the-point to me. At the end of the day, I think it's pissing off other fan bases, and it's alienating Swifties from the wider pop music community. And from a PR perspective, I think regardless of her intentions, she and Tree need to be a little bit more aware of how it's being perceived.

The BEST take on this entire situation I've seen on this site, wow 

 

8 minutes ago, latingrl2005 said:

I can tell most on the forum are men. As a woman, if I worked 20 years in a company to become CEO, you better believe I would never step down to give my position to a new comer. It took 20 years and countless of other artists for Taylor to get here. Why should she step down? Did Katy, Rihanna or Lady Gaga step back for Taylor or did her hard work just paid off and men are bitter.

And this might be the worst! 

Edited August 16 by Vegvisir

[Trent W]

She doesn't owe anyone anything 

 

But also 40+ variants of the same album doesn't make sense and it's a sick explotation cycle between her and the people buying them

 

If she was releasing news songs each time or unique merch articles makes sense

 

But there is literally no reason for her to sell that and fans to buy it

 

Both ends need therapy

[family.guy123]

10 minutes ago, latingrl2005 said:

I can tell most on the forum are men. As a woman, if I worked 20 years in a company to become CEO, you better believe I would never step down to give my position to a new comer. It took 20 years and countless of other artists for Taylor to get here. Why should she step down? Did Katy, Rihanna or Lady Gaga step back for Taylor or did her hard work just paid off and men are bitter.

20 years? You wouldn't even make it through 1 day being CEO with your lack of reading comprehension skills 

[latingrl2005]

2 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

20 years? You wouldn't even make it through 1 day being CEO with your lack of reading comprehension skills 

That's where your complete wrong. I understand. Women are always told to tone it down, dont rock the boat and support other women. That's not how the real world works. No one gives up there top spot to no one. If you are given a raise do you turn it down to help your fellow worker? If Taylor stopped making music do you really believe any of these artist would sell 1m the first week? There are 8b people on earth, why can't any of them motivate 1m people to buy their music? Is Taylor stopping the whole world from buying music?

[Rihinvention]

59 minutes ago, latingrl2005 said:

I can tell most on the forum are men. As a woman, if I worked 20 years in a company to become CEO, you better believe I would never step down to give my position to a new comer. It took 20 years and countless of other artists for Taylor to get here. Why should she step down? Did Katy, Rihanna or Lady Gaga step back for Taylor or did her hard work just paid off and men are bitter.

We're…sexist because we want OTHER women to share her spotlight?   
 

I feel like your point would make more sense if the men in this conversation were advocating for male artists to get a #1 album. But…we're not. We're literally advocating for OTHER women to get one simple thing: No sales tactics during their release weeks/biggest sales weeks, so that they can (potentially) achieve the HUGE career milestone of a #1 album, for something that they've worked really hard on.

 

No one remembers if an album spent 3 weeks, or 11 weeks, or 5 weeks at #1. But being able to say your album went #1 at all is a huge accomplishment for ALL women. It's how people introduce you in radio interviews, TV interviews and award shows. Not to mention the pride and joy each (female) artist would feel after achieving it. It's a really big deal.

 

Also, no one's saying she should "step down" or "retire." We're simply saying "doing everything in your power to prevent another girl from getting a #1 album isn't a good look."

 

I say all of this as a huge Taylor fan myself.

 

She has a lyric, "we all got crowns." Well, this is not crown-straightening behaviour. This is "we have to add more jewels to MY crown this week so that SHE doesn't get one" behaviour. Whether it's her intention or not, that's how it looks.

 

So kindly, don't accuse us of being sexist for advocating for ALL women. That's a very serious accusation and it's completely missing the point.

 

Lastly, comparing someone to a relentless CEO isn't the slay you think it is. The CEOs that stand out in society are the ones who do good in this world. Remember when Taylor donated all that money to her truck drivers and food banks in each city? That's the Taylor people want to see. We want to see her congratulating other women for getting the #1 spot, not doing everything in her power to stop it, including variants that are only available for 1 week, exclusively in the country that's posing a "threat" in the charts.

 

And here's the thing: if you're a CEO with 20 years of experience, the newcomer's not stealing your job anyway. We're just saying "celebrate the kid's wins along the way. It'll make everyone around you go, "you know what, she's a great person. I really like her. No wonder she's the CEO."

Edited August 16 by Rihinvention