Raichu Posted August 16 Posted August 16 She doesn't have to dim her own light, but her TTPD rereleases are so gross to me from an artistic standpoint. All of her remixes throughout her career have pretty much been a tacked on new instrumental with zero creativity and these live recordings to a new edition of an album are falling in the same vein from my perspective. I wish she'd do more to make these rereleases interesting rather than an obvious cash grab - however at the end of the day its clear she can do the latter and get away with it. 3
AvadaKedavra Posted August 16 Posted August 16 (edited) She should. There's something called empathy, and Taylor, as the queen of the industry, should help the other ladies rise if they get a chance. One less week at No. 1 won't ruin her legacy. She's basically pullin something similar to the Madonna-Gaga situation and thats not cool. Taylor knows Charli XCX, Billie, Olivia, and all of them talk *** behind her back, and she doesn't see them in a good light, but I don't think vengeance is a good thing. It poisons your heart. You might get your revenge, but the wounds of the battle stay with you—the regrets. It's better to have peace of mind. This is something i learned with the pandemic lockdowns. Wars and Feuds lead only to suffering. I was a very resentful person in the past I have to be honest. I've loved Taylor since 2008, and I love her deeply. I find her far more interesting than the rest of the pop girls, but there's something dark going on with her. She has very dark sides to her personality. I realized this when she destroyed Katy just for the sake of it, and Katy had to be the one to ask for forgiveness. I think she has very mild psychopathy or maybe some narcissistic disorder. This type of behavior is usually seen in high achievers, and she's like the archetype of it Her family has demanded so much from her all her life but has also treated her like a royal princess who does everything perfectly. Taylor needs someone to tell her, "No, girl, that's not it. You need to change this and that." Sadly she's surrouned by "Yes People" like Antonoff. The point is whether Taylor is ready to lower her ego and change for the best. Taylor lives with a (wolf eat wolf)-(trust nobody) approach to her life. I dont know if she's happy with it but i wouldnt. I dont like to have ghosts haunting me. Edited August 16 by AvadaKedavra 9 1 1
Cruel Summer Posted August 16 Posted August 16 Taylor Swift being #1 for another week doesn't stop any other artist from shining in real life. 2
thatsmydemi Posted August 16 Posted August 16 No. The longer she keeps this thing going, the easiest she makes it to drag her. 1
TaggedGalaxy Posted August 16 Posted August 16 If they can't outshine her on their own then no, survival of the fittest ***** 1
Teen Spirit Posted August 16 Posted August 16 32 minutes ago, Rihinvention said: Honestly, yes. As a Swiftie myself, I feel like this behaviour is alienating her from having any moderate/casual fans. Being a Swiftie is quickly becoming a religion and an entire identity, and if that doesn't resonate with people, they distance themselves from her fans as much as possible. I actually think that Tree and Taylor need to start looking at this as a PR crisis, because for every Swiftie who's posting "YES! ANOTHER WEEK AT #1. SHE DESERVES IT! AND IF YOUR FAVES WERE ANYWHERE NEAR AS GOOD, THEY'D BE ABLE TO GET IT ON THEIR OWN" — there's a Chappell Fan, or a Billie fan, or a Charli fan, going "oh…I really thought she deserved to get a #1 album with this era. It was pretty impactful and a career peak for her 😔" Unlike sports, it's possible for fans of pop culture to root for multiple "teams" at once, because they're making similar art. If you like one girl's pop music…chances are…you'll like another girl's pop music, because she's also a girl…making pop music. Whether or not Taylor's intention is to block other artists (or to simply break records) is beside-the-point to me. At the end of the day, I think it's pissing off other fan bases, and it's alienating Swifties from the wider pop music community. And from a PR perspective, I think regardless of her intentions, she and Tree need to be a little bit more aware of how it's being perceived. THANK YOU! It's a PR NIGHTMARE. People are calling Taylor all sorts of things because of this.
Goaty Posted August 16 Posted August 16 Taylor blocking people from the top stop isn't dimming anyone's shine, be serious. Chappell, Sabrina, and Charli are all have huge moments this summer regardless of where their albums peak on the chart 4
Goaty Posted August 16 Posted August 16 Only stans give a **** or are even aware of Taylor's chart dominance. Meanwhile out in the real world MANY female artists are doing extremely well and having big songs and albums. 5
Teen Spirit Posted August 16 Posted August 16 19 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: She should. There's something called empathy, and Taylor, as the queen of the industry, should help the other ladies rise if they get a chance. One less week at No. 1 won't ruin her legacy. She's basically pullin a Madonna and thats not cool. Taylor knows Charli XCX, Billie, Olivia, and all of them talk *** behind her back, and she doesn't see them in a good light, but I don't think vengeance is a good thing. It poisons your heart. You might get your revenge, but the wounds of the battle stay with you—the regrets. It's better to have peace of mind. This is something i learned with the pandemic lockdowns. Wars and Battles lead only to suffering. I was a very resentful person in the past I have to be honest. I've loved Taylor since 2008, and I love her deeply. I find her far more interesting than the rest of the pop girls, but there's something dark going on with her. She has very dark sides to her personality. I realized this when she destroyed Katy just for the sake of it, and Katy had to be the one to ask for forgiveness. I think she has very mild psychopathy or maybe some narcissistic disorder. This type of behavior is usually seen in high achievers, and she's like the archetype of it Her family has demanded so much from her all her life but has also treated her like a royal princess who does everything perfectly. Taylor needs someone to tell her, "No, girl, that's not it. You need to change this and that." The point is whether Taylor is ready to lower her ego and change for the best. Taylor lives with a (wolf eat wolf)-(trust nobody) approach to her life. I dont know if she's happy with it but i wouldnt PERFECT comment.
AvadaKedavra Posted August 16 Posted August 16 Just now, TaggedGalaxy said: If they can't outshine her on their own then no, survival of the fittest ***** Maybe this is one of the reasons why she's the queen of the United States She's the embodiment of capitalism and survival of the fittest. The T-Rex of pop. The highest link in the food chain. Taylor is the Apex Predator of Pop 2
Mupps Posted August 16 Posted August 16 People outside of pop forums don't care about this, in their eyes someone like billie eilish or ariana grande shines just the same as taylor. Just look at the most streamed female songs of the year so far, it's very balanced between these 3. 5
Strawberry Bubble Posted August 16 Posted August 16 I think that the streaming era is facilitating this kind of monopoly in music, where all the attention is focused on one big act, while the rest have to get used to the fleeting nature of singles that shine for a month and then disappear. It happened with Bad Bunny and Drake in the past, and it's happening right now with Taylor. If she stops dominating the charts, another big act will probably take her spot and become the new monopoly (it would probably be a male artist, btw).
shyboi Posted August 16 Posted August 16 7 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: Maybe this is one of the reasons why she's the queen of the United States She's the embodiment of capitalism and survival of the fittest. The T-Rex of pop. The highest link in the food chain. Taylor is the Apex Predator of Pop The T-Rex of pop is wild
Cruel Summer Posted August 16 Posted August 16 7 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: Taylor is the Apex Predator of Pop Now this I'm okay with, let's get the girls on board with this title 5
Rihinvention Posted August 16 Posted August 16 7 minutes ago, Teen Spirit said: THANK YOU! It's a PR NIGHTMARE. People are calling Taylor all sorts of things because of this. Yeah, and what's frustrating is that rather than looking at how people are reacting, and taking it on-board, they're doubling down and doing it all over again the next week. When people think of Michael Jackson and Madonna's records and impact, they think "they were INSANELY popular legends. They defined a generation. They deserved all of their records!" Taylor has already achieved that level of success. But if she keeps this up, it's going to tarnish her legacy. The "variants criticism" and "blocking other artists" conversations are getting so loud that it's actually drowning out TTPD's achievements. Achievements, I might add, that would be *ridiculously* impressive even without the variants. Her brand is going from "most talented songwriter of a generation" to "relentless capitalist who doesn't want to see other artists succeed" and it's frustrating that no one in her team cares that she's being perceived that way, even if not her intention. 2 1
Goaty Posted August 16 Posted August 16 24 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: One less week at No. 1 won't ruin her legacy. And one more week at 2, or 3, or 4 or whatever won't hurt the other girls. Have yall not been out and about this summer? I was at Market Days in Chicago over the weekend and Charli and Chappell are basically omnipresent right now. Sabrina too. Their songs are on heavy rotation everywhere. Charts are a reflection of consumption relative to each other. Just because Taylor is dominating everyone doesn't mean they all can't — and aren't — having big moments. A lot of the arguments in this thread are giving need-to-touch-grass energy. 1
Teen Spirit Posted August 16 Posted August 16 Just now, Rihinvention said: Yeah, and what's frustrating is that rather than looking at how people are reacting, and taking it on-board, they're doubling down and doing it all over again the next week. When people think of Michael Jackson and Madonna's records and impact, they think "they were INSANELY popular legends. They defined a generation. They deserved all of their records!" Taylor has already achieved that level of success. But if she keeps this up, it's going to tarnish her legacy. The "variants criticism" and "blocking other artists" conversations are getting so loud that it's actually drowning out TTPD's achievements. Achievements, I might add, that would be *ridiculously* impressive even without the variants. Her brand is going from "most talented songwriter of a generation" to "relentless capitalist who doesn't want to see other artists succeed" and it's frustrating that no one in her team cares that she's being perceived that way, even if not her intention. YES omg ... this is how she's referred to everywhere. How does her team not care??
latingrl2005 Posted August 16 Posted August 16 27 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: She should. There's something called empathy, and Taylor, as the queen of the industry, should help the other ladies rise if they get a chance. One less week at No. 1 won't ruin her legacy. She's basically pullin a Madonna and thats not cool. Taylor knows Charli XCX, Billie, Olivia, and all of them talk *** behind her back, and she doesn't see them in a good light, but I don't think vengeance is a good thing. It poisons your heart. You might get your revenge, but the wounds of the battle stay with you—the regrets. It's better to have peace of mind. This is something i learned with the pandemic lockdowns. Wars and Battles lead only to suffering. I was a very resentful person in the past I have to be honest. I've loved Taylor since 2008, and I love her deeply. I find her far more interesting than the rest of the pop girls, but there's something dark going on with her. She has very dark sides to her personality. I realized this when she destroyed Katy just for the sake of it, and Katy had to be the one to ask for forgiveness. I think she has very mild psychopathy or maybe some narcissistic disorder. This type of behavior is usually seen in high achievers, and she's like the archetype of it Her family has demanded so much from her all her life but has also treated her like a royal princess who does everything perfectly. Taylor needs someone to tell her, "No, girl, that's not it. You need to change this and that." The point is whether Taylor is ready to lower her ego and change for the best. Taylor lives with a (wolf eat wolf)-(trust nobody) approach to her life. I dont know if she's happy with it but i wouldnt When Taylor was coming up did Rihanna, Lady Gaga or Katy give her her time to shine or did Taylor keep working hard and outlived them to get to this moment just to step aside to let someone who's a few years into there careers. Ir took almost 20 years to get here. Maybe you should question why none of these artist have a fanbase willing to spend money. 1 2
Teen Spirit Posted August 16 Posted August 16 @Rihinvention and the whole capitalist thing is funny because all celebrities are capitalists ... including the ones who became billionaires before Taylor. But Taylor gets dragged the most for it. And this isn't helping at all. Wow.
Taylor fanboy Posted August 16 Posted August 16 For a non-event album, you sure does make it the main character. 4
Rihinvention Posted August 16 Posted August 16 I completely disagree with this "only people in pop music forums" argument. The rise of stan culture on TikTok is undeniable. I've seen multiple pop culture podcasters talking about this "issue" for every new release over the past 4 months. And it's not just the algorithm serving me content I'm interested in. I'm talking videos with likes in the hundreds-of-thousands. I definitely think it's having a negative effect on Taylor's brand image to non-Swifties. 1
Daddy Posted August 16 Posted August 16 1 hour ago, wastedpotential said: I mean aside from the live tracks (which is literally her website person's assistant clicking a few buttons to upload it to her digital store) there's literally nothing she's doing to stop people from shining Stay delulu sis 1
AvadaKedavra Posted August 16 Posted August 16 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Goaty said: And one more week at 2, or 3, or 4 or whatever won't hurt the other girls. Have yall not been out and about this summer? I was at Market Days in Chicago over the weekend and Charli and Chappell are basically omnipresent right now. Sabrina too. Their songs are on heavy rotation everywhere. Charts are a reflection of consumption relative to each other. Just because Taylor is dominating everyone doesn't mean they all can't — and aren't — having big moments. A lot of the arguments in this thread are giving need-to-touch-grass energy. It wont damage them like u said but believe me the popgirls care. We have receipts of pop girls from today and the past gettin triggered cause they didnt get a Number one with album or singles....... We also know cause their managers and team usually get very bitter and like shady things on twitter-instagram. Managers of the popgirls can be so messy in Social media. Family too LOL Brooke Candy spilled of how in the charli xcx party all of them were gossipin about a "Mean Girl" thats clearly Taylor. I honestly dont want Taylor to attend the next grammys cause so many of her enemies are there I remember the 2015 grammys and all the tension between tay and katy in those. I was unable to find the videos but it was really uncomfortable Edited August 16 by AvadaKedavra 1
Popboi. Posted August 16 Posted August 16 30 minutes ago, thatsmydemi said: No. The longer she keeps this thing going, the easiest she makes it to drag her. Your "drags" literally aren't changing anything, genuinely hope you're aware of that 1 3
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