Big Bad Wolf Posted August 13 Posted August 13 2 minutes ago, AbeHicks said: She needs to bring back the Nelly Furtado Loose sound. Out of the current pop girls only she could pull it off. Agree. I appreciated the mature and sentimental messages throughout Radical Optimism, but next era she should serve sex! 1
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 1 minute ago, AbeHicks said: She needs to bring back the Nelly Furtado Loose sound. Out of the current pop girls only she could pull it off. This is going to sound so funny but in 2021 i was expecting Dua to release an album like Loose or Blackout. 1
loveisdead9582 Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Aside from the genre, neither of them have much in common aside from having a good first era and massive second era. Katy's floppage stems from poor decisions in the studio and trying to be campy. Dua had one album that was an underperformance and all of a sudden she's doomed to fail for the rest of her career. 2
Rihinvention Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Just now, AbeHicks said: She needs to bring back the Nelly Furtado Loose sound. Out of the current pop girls only she could pull it off. She should have done this for DL3. Apparently Tate is leaning *heavily* into this direction for her next era after seeing how successful Greedy was. It will seem way more authentic coming from her given her dance background. I fear it's too late for Dua to go in this direction. 1
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 6 minutes ago, Big Bad Wolf said: She still has the opportunity to reinvent herself. Radical Optimism was pretty much a dud for her, but it wasn't an offensively bad era by any means and the album was overall nice quality. It's okay for a pop girl to have 1 chill era where she's not overexposed and receiving backlash (Hello Witness and Artpop). This means she can bounce back quickly next era with the right aesthetic and songs. This!!! Dua is an artist totally different to Katy or Gaga.
ICLDXU4HS Posted August 13 Posted August 13 (edited) Not if she course corrects and brings her A game next time. I hope the underperformance shook her to her very core. As others have said, Katy's image was always very novel and she refused to progress from it. Dua's is sultry and glamorous which never goes out of style. Edited August 13 by ICLDXU4HS 4
Europe Posted August 13 Author Posted August 13 5 minutes ago, gwen stacy said: This is going to sound so funny but in 2021 i was expecting Dua to release an album like Loose or Blackout. I was too for some reason .She was on the right track with "be the one" but didn't follow through.
Stunnah Posted August 13 Posted August 13 (edited) Dua is in a pretty bad position. The album's at #175 in its 14th week. And with all that promo and playlisting. Looks like it's not going to beat Witness's 21 weeks on the BB 200. Edited August 13 by Stunnah
Almighty Gaga Posted August 13 Posted August 13 They're both prime examples that you can't just build a lasting career on payola only, so yes. 1
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 3 minutes ago, Stunnah said: Dua is in a pretty bad position. The album's at 175 in its 14th week. And with all that promo and playlisting. Looks like it's not going to beat Witness's 21 weeks on the BB 200. You are only talking about the US and RO is probably going to end with better numbers than Smile and Witness globally.
Gelato Posted August 13 Posted August 13 (edited) If she releases another middling album then the decline will start to kick in I suppose. But her trajectory (so far) isn't really comparable to Katy's. Dua's brand is still cool (unlike Katy's during Witness) and people still want to hear her hits from FN and DL. RO isn't her Prism or her Witness, it's something else entirely - something that her career can either recover from or regress further from. Edited August 13 by Gelato 3
Sugar-Rush Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Er, maybe? But I think Dua's more self-aware and would actually know how to make a comeback. 4
lg6chromatica Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Kinda off-topic but Dua needs to switch things up. Radical Optimism felt like an extension of Future Nostalgia. 1
Stunnah Posted August 13 Posted August 13 2 minutes ago, gwen stacy said: You are only talking about the US and RO is probably going to end with better numbers than Smile and Witness globally. I don't think hanging around #66 on the Italian Albums Chart is going to rack up a lot of units. 2
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 2 minutes ago, Stunnah said: I don't think hanging around #66 on the Italian Albums Chart is going to rack up a lot of units. Witness sold 3M CSPC units (not even 1M certified units) in 7 years and it performance on Spotify is embarrasing... Radical Optimism is going to end the year with 2M CSPC only counting streaming units.
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 8 minutes ago, Gelato said: If she releases another middling album then the decline will start to kick in I suppose. But her trajectory (so far) isn't really comparable to Katy's. Dua's brand is still cool (unlike Katy's during Witness) and people still want to hear her hits from FN and DL. RO isn't her Prism or her Witness, it's something else entirely - something that her career can either recover from or regress further from. Exactly, RO is different to Witness downfall like it can be comparable to Try This by P!nk or Foklore by Nelly Furtado (both then released successful albums like Loose and I'm Not Dead). 2
Stunnah Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Just now, gwen stacy said: Witness sold 3M CSPC units (not even 1M certified units) in 7 years and it performance on Spotify is embarrasing... Radical Optimism is going to end the year with 2M CSPC only counting streaming units. I would save your energy for the thread that's coming on Friday. 1
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 1 minute ago, Stunnah said: I would save your energy for the thread that's coming on Friday. Where is Witness and Smile? i don't need to waste my energy if everyone knows Katy's only charting album is TD lol. 🤥
Stunnah Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Just now, gwen stacy said: Where is Witness and Smile? i don't need to waste my energy if everyone knows Katy's only charting album is TD lol. 🤥 I was referring to the fact that Radical Optimism, one of the most payola'd albums of the streaming era, is about to fall below Think Later, an album that was released last year. 2
brenda-walsh Posted August 13 Posted August 13 22 minutes ago, Stunnah said: Dua is in a pretty bad position. The album's at #175 in its 14th week. And with all that promo and playlisting. Looks like it's not going to beat Witness's 21 weeks on the BB 200. but that's just the US. dua is a euro girl and these katy comparisons have never made any sense the album is still in the top 25 in the UK, France, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, etc OT: all she needs is an album with hits and exciting image similar to FN and she'll be back. oh, and lots of promo again. we miss her performances 3
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 1 minute ago, Stunnah said: I was referring to the fact that Radical Optimism, one of the most payola'd albums of the streaming era, is about to fall below Think Later, an album that was released last year. Think Later has one of the biggest Hits of 2023 everyone knows that... FN and DL1 are already outstreaming Tate's career but is okay. 1
gatito Posted August 13 Posted August 13 that means houdini is her roar, it's only downhill from here
cyberraga Posted August 13 Posted August 13 59 minutes ago, Rihinvention said: No, because Dua's brand isn't as camp/kitschy. That will age better as she ages, and as her fans age with her. Dua's brand is wearing Versace and Roberto Cavalli to your Eurosummer vacation along the Amalfi Coast and Greek Islands. Katy's brand is wearing a bedazzled McDonald's uniform from Moschino and going "LoOk hOw QuiRkY i Am" whilst pulling a dorky millennial face. But I agree, Dua needs to start doing more storytelling in her songwriting. Anyone could sing them, and they could be about anyone…and that's kinda dangerous territory for an artist to be in. We don't know if a song's about Anwar Hadid, Trevor Noah, Jack Harlow, Roman Gavrais, or Callum Turner. That will have to change if she wants people to invest in her music in a deeper way, which will help with longevity. I agree with this fully. However I will say that Dua should focus on building a dedicated fanbase too. Something Katy didn't do.
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