Europe Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Both artists are relying / relied more on GP and intense industry support Dua has even less fans than Katy, due to her ~ mysterious ~ nature Her music doesn't have substance. 99% of her songs are about general topics you won't form a deep connection with. Once her never ending Spotify payola, radio spam and autoplay privileges come to an end, will Dua have a similar fate to Katy, or can she do something to end up in a different place?
Mr. Blue_Shirt Posted August 13 Posted August 13 ATRL really wants Dua to be the next Katy Perry so bad. Please give it up! 14
Popular Post Rihinvention Posted August 13 Popular Post Posted August 13 (edited) No, because Dua's brand isn't as camp/kitschy. That will age better as she ages, and as her fans age with her. Dua's brand is wearing Versace and Roberto Cavalli to your Eurosummer vacation along the Amalfi Coast and Greek Islands. Katy's brand is wearing a bedazzled McDonald's uniform from Moschino and going "LoOk hOw QuiRkY i Am" whilst pulling a dorky millennial face. But I agree, Dua needs to start doing more storytelling in her songwriting. Anyone could sing them, and they could be about anyone…and that's kinda dangerous territory for an artist to be in. We don't know if a song's about Anwar Hadid, Trevor Noah, Jack Harlow, Roman Gavrais, or Callum Turner. That will have to change if she wants people to invest in her music in a deeper way, which will help with longevity. Edited August 13 by Rihinvention 5 17
smartalek22 Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Not sure what's next for Dua but she needs to get bold and try something fresh because the formula is getting a bit boring. Radical Optimism has some good pop production and style but lacked personality in my opinion. I feel like DL4 will be something different but that's always a risk for artists as it could go wrong, but I think Dua is not that desperate the way Katy seems to be in 2024, but only time can tell really. 2
Cheers Posted August 13 Posted August 13 No. Dua is cooler and her biggest hits aren't kiddy songs. 10 1
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 I have never understood why people compare Katy and Dua just because they have hits at the end both are very different artists. At least Dua is one of the biggest european acts of this Century (probably biggest female artist after Adele) and she is always having the support from UK, Spain, France, Poland, Belgium, etc. unlike Katy not even in the USA they listen to her albums... 3
k4rmabutterfly Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Dua is less likely to embarrass herself in public like Katy is doing since 2017, so I don't think so. She's flopping rn with her music, yet her celebrity and touring power is intact and bigger than ever actually.
halcyonday Posted August 13 Posted August 13 No. I don't think that Dua is stupid enough to make such stupid decisions AND have public meltdowns. Her image is very vanilla and boring, hence the "faceless" allegations, but that plays to her advantage: Radical Optimism is currently doing less than 3M streams daily despite having 3 songs with TTH residency that all opened with more than 100M Spotify reach each. No one is even talking about this nuclear bomb of an era, because it's just a non event. I believe that she can come back at any moment with the amount of payola she gets. Reminder: she's the most played artist on radios of 2024 despite flopping with every single of the era. Then add the expensive and aggressive streaming payola and she would have to be VERY unlucky to fumble it again like they did with Houdini. If everything fails, I think she can still call Calvin or some other DJ to hop on another single that'd probably do well in the UK, her "Miracle" moment, I guess. Her uninteresting approach showed the cracks already though. In the era of Chappel Roan's theatrics, Billie's cameleon shifts every era, Sabrina's short&sweet pop smash hits, charismatic artists like Charli XCX, Dua's boring H&M bangers will not do it. Reminder: Katy had 3 massive eras back to back, Dua's already faded during her 3rd. 8
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 16 minutes ago, AbeHicks said: Both artists are relying / relied more on GP and intense industry support Dua has even less fans than Katy, due to her ~ mysterious ~ nature Her music doesn't have substance. 99% of her songs are about general topics you won't form a deep connection with. Once her never ending Spotify payola, radio spam and autoplay privileges come to an end, will Dua have a similar fate to Katy, or can she do something to end up in a different place? Dua would never release bad albums like Witness, Smile and 143 (we already know that album is going to be BAD). Dua has a big fan base in Europe, Oceania and LATAM... 2
Europe Posted August 13 Author Posted August 13 4 minutes ago, Cheers said: No. Dua is cooler and her biggest hits aren't kiddy songs. Katy was cool too before the witness haircut 1
Europe Posted August 13 Author Posted August 13 Just now, gwen stacy said: Dua would never release bad albums like Witness, Smile and 143 (we already know that album is going to be BAD). She already did 2 2
Squall Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Except Dua only had one huge era. Of course she scored hits with her first album but its total is inflated by the way it was turned into a playlist, the truth is people didn't care about the album itself. Katy has OOTB, TD & PRISM. 1
Cheers Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Just now, AbeHicks said: Katy was cool too before the witness haircut 7
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Just now, AbeHicks said: She already did You can't compare Radical Optimism to Katy's mid albums even Teenage Dream and PRISM aren't really good albums... 3 2
Sad Beautiful Tragic Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Yes, but I doubt Dua will ever match the cultural impact Katy had with Teenage Dream. Dua is more like the Kylie Minogue of the 2020s.
BrokenMachine Posted August 13 Posted August 13 The only thing both have in common is having a great string of hits and GP support instead of a colosal fanbase, but this is the case for almost every existent mainstream artist. Their music videos are different, their aesthetics are different, their personalities are different, their target markets are different, their priorities as artists are different, the way they make songs is different, their nationalities are different, and the list could go on and on. It's 2024, y'all need to stop with this 'Katy = Dua' nonsense 3
Europe Posted August 13 Author Posted August 13 4 minutes ago, halcyonday said: No. I don't think that Dua is stupid enough to make such stupid decisions AND have public meltdowns. Her image is very vanilla and boring, hence the "faceless" allegations, but that plays to her advantage: Radical Optimism is currently doing less than 3M streams daily despite having 3 songs with TTH residency that all opened with more than 100M Spotify reach each. No one is even talking about this nuclear bomb of an era, because it's just a non event. I believe that she can come back at any moment with the amount of payola she gets. Reminder: she's the most played artist on radios of 2024 despite flopping with every single of the era. Then add the expensive and aggressive streaming payola and she would have to be VERY unlucky to fumble it again like they did with Houdini. If everything fails, I think she can still call Calvin or some other DJ to hop on another single that'd probably do well in the UK, her "Miracle" moment, I guess. Her uninteresting approach showed the cracks already though. In the era of Chappel Roan's theatrics, Billie's cameleon shifts every era, Sabrina's short&sweet pop smash hits, charismatic artists like Charli XCX, Dua's boring H&M bangers will not do it. Reminder: Katy had 3 massive eras back to back, Dua's already faded during her 3rd. Well, IDK. Making her dad her manager is a pretty stupid decision. Releasing an album as bad as RO was a stupid decision. So we will see if she has the self-awareness to learn from her mistakes or not. 1
gwen stacy Posted August 13 Posted August 13 1 minute ago, Sad Beautiful Tragic said: Yes, but I doubt Dua will ever match the cultural impact Katy had with Teenage Dream. Dua is more like the Kylie Minogue of the 2020s. [/center] Dua is bigger these days than Kylie in her peak era... 1 3
Big Bad Wolf Posted August 13 Posted August 13 She still has the opportunity to reinvent herself. Radical Optimism was pretty much a dud for her, but it wasn't an offensively bad era by any means and the album was overall nice quality. It's okay for a pop girl to have 1 chill era where she's not overexposed and receiving backlash (Hello Witness and Artpop). This means she can bounce back quickly next era with the right aesthetic and songs. 4
Europe Posted August 13 Author Posted August 13 1 minute ago, Big Bad Wolf said: She still has the opportunity to reinvent herself. Radical Optimism was pretty much a dud for her, but it wasn't an offensively bad era by any means and the album was overall nice quality. It's okay for a pop girl to have 1 chill era where she's not overexposed and receiving backlash (Hello Witness and Artpop). This means she can bounce back quickly next era with the right aesthetic and songs. She needs to bring back the Nelly Furtado Loose sound. Out of the current pop girls only she could pull it off.
halcyonday Posted August 13 Posted August 13 1 minute ago, AbeHicks said: Well, IDK. Making her dad her manager is a pretty stupid decision. Releasing an album as bad as RO was a stupid decision. So we will see if she has the self-awareness to learn from her mistakes or not. You have a point, but her bad decisions are mostly behind the scenes. It's not like the GP craves for album tracks by Dua Lipa, so the album being bad and at the bottom of 2024 rankings doesn't really affect her that much. Compare it to Katy, who managed to trigger everyone with her haircut, cringy videos (Swish Swish), tragic live performances (Bon Appetit SNL), collaborators (Migos, Dr. Luke). Dua's served safe and basic videos this era, like, who would get offended by Houdini or Training Season? She just does nothing offensive and is very safe, goes on vacation every two weeks and bags the best streaming deals even when no one is streaming (Illusion remained on TTH for 2 months after it left the Global 200 chart and is already doing 500k streams daily as her most recent single). 1
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