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[Enrique523]

Wait... NRO was NOT the lead single of the Smile album initially? I'm... only learning that now and i'm baffled. Why would they release a solid song like that and NOT have an album ready? 

 

And it was only put on the album later because plans were changed? And Harleys was not immediately a cute hit, it only became viral later by pure luck? Wow her career is even more of a mess than i initially thought. I always thought people were exaggerating how bad the Smile era went but i get it now 

Edited August 12 by Enrique523

[TomTom]

14 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Wait... NRO was NOT the lead single of the Smile album initially? I'm... only learning that now and i'm baffled. Why would they release a solid song like that and NOT have an album ready? 

 

And it was only put on the album later because plans were changed? And Harleys was not immediately a cute hit, it only became viral later by pure luck? Wow her career is even more of a mess than i initially thought. I always thought people were exaggerating how bad the Smile era went but i get it now 

Daisies is Smile's lead single & HIH only went viral two years after release.

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, TomTom said:

Daisies is Smile's lead single & HIH only went viral two years after release.

...what a disaster 

 

I've definitively been too kind to the Smile era 

[starsailor]

40 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Wait... NRO was NOT the lead single of the Smile album initially? I'm... only learning that now and i'm baffled. Why would they release a solid song like that and NOT have an album ready? 

 

And it was only put on the album later because plans were changed? And Harleys was not immediately a cute hit, it only became viral later by pure luck? Wow her career is even more of a mess than i initially thought. I always thought people were exaggerating how bad the Smile era went but i get it now 

If I'm not mistaken, NRO, Small Talk and Harleys in Hawaii were songs that she released to "test the water" after Witness era. The whole aesthetic of these songs were something like a boho/hippie chic, nothing like the circus/clown thing that Smile went.
The rumor said that, since any of them became an instant hit, the "project" of the album that she was building with these songs changed and then Smile happened. Since any of the Smile singles achieved success neither, they included the three songs on the tracklist. But I don't know id it's true.

[Sabrina Carpenter]

wait idg why users are reposting that Taylor picture? 

 

is it supposed to be a drag to use one of the most successful artist of all time in a thread about charts 

[Enrique523]

2 hours ago, starsailor said:

If I'm not mistaken, NRO, Small Talk and Harleys in Hawaii were songs that she released to "test the water" after Witness era. The whole aesthetic of these songs were something like a boho/hippie chic, nothing like the circus/clown thing that Smile went.
The rumor said that, since any of them became an instant hit, the "project" of the album that she was building with these songs changed and then Smile happened. Since any of the Smile singles achieved success neither, they included the three songs on the tracklist. But I don't know id it's true.

I didn't follow the Smile era back then so i had no idea about any of this. This is truly a bigger disaster than i thought, i thought the Smile era did ok immediately, i had NO IDEA it was out of pure luck than she ended up with decent streaming numbers for 2 songs. 

 

2 hours ago, Sabrina Carpenter said:

wait idg why users are reposting that Taylor picture? 

 

is it supposed to be a drag to use one of the most successful artist of all time in a thread about charts 

Right? NEVER talk about Taylor when it comes to charts and success, you're gonna lose every time 

[Sannie]

At this point, she needs to shave her head and dye her hair back to blonde. She was performing better when she looked like that. Might as well give it a try.

[shakeyourbombom]

Never Really Over? She wishes! 

[Vrx.]

On 8/11/2024 at 12:37 AM, ObsPC said:

she had 3 successful eras actually. OOTB,TD and Prism

She's only had 1 era that's laughable to say is on the level of MJ, with me being extremely generous for PRISM. Don't get too ahead of yourself. 

[Vrx.]

18 hours ago, Yes, AND said:

You're being super delusional. Katy had three very successful eras, plus two moderate ones. Also Smile was more successful overall than Witness, so she even revived a bit. 

And comparing pure sales of someone who debuted in the 80s to someone who started in 2008 is really not smart.  also the 2000s and 2010s are two seperate decades. 

That's the whole point: delusion. Her fans were delusional and my first post was saying to think she was once called the female MJ is wild. He never flopped as hard as she did, and did so after almost 25 years, not 5. 

[cyberraga]

The GP said "I'm going to listen to it once and then delete it" 

[Vespertine]

8 hours ago, Galah said:

Chappell Roan's The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess is mainly comprised of a string of singles recorded and released between 2020-2022. Was there anything disingenuous about these album campaigns, or are only Perry's motives brought into question?

 

 

Comparing Katy Perry, a former MPG, to brand new or indie pop girls who have to build their audiences with singles as they try to get over the huge hurdle of releasing a mainstream debut album... oh I have to laugh  Katy fans will really cling to anything at this point! 

[Nefertiti0]

Spotify• day 3
798,275(-244,241)

[illia]

[josesuxx]

[Eglė]

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Nefertiti0 said:

Spotify• day 3
798,275(-244,241)

Sooooooo... is hit single Gimme Gimme out yet? 

[Axolotl]

I can't believe the revisionist history here with Smile. That album BOMBED even harder than Witness, still only certified Gold () after more than four years, had a tacked on streaming hit (NRO) just to make the album stats look better, and left the BB200 in a month -- A MONTH. 

[MerveAksak]

17 hours ago, BionicWooHoo said:

How did she go from quality tracks like Never Really Over and Harleys in Hawaii to WW and Lifetimes? smh 

I agree. I loved NRO and HIH and would love an album filled tracks like these. And they aren't produced by certain someone 

[Truth Teller]

1 hour ago, Axolotl said:

I can't believe the revisionist history here with Smile. That album BOMBED even harder than Witness, still only certified Gold () after more than four years, had a tacked on streaming hit (NRO) just to make the album stats look better, and left the BB200 in a month -- A MONTH. 

Smile, the album, was a flop of the Lotus / Charmbracelet category; a safe, quiet album released after a career-ending bomb that makes zero noise and only manages to take the artist away from being a punching bag / laughing stock and make them irrelevant and harmless.

 

Smile, the overall era, was ok. NRO, Harleys, 365, Daisies, WIG were all great palette cleansers and built up some goodwill for her. Not from the mainstream world, who probably hasn't heard of any of them, but from the pop sphere. A lot of us actually liked those songs and, as a result, liked her. At the end of the Smile era, Katy was as unsuccessful as she was when the Hey Hey Hey video closed the Witness trainwreck, but she was in a different, much more salvagable place. She wasn't embarrassing or uncool or pathetic. She was just not successful. The stark difference between the reaction to her 2022 SNL vs. 2017 alone... She could have launched herself back from that place; she just completely fumbled it. If the new era had better music by any other producer, I do think it could have been successful and her 2019-2022 run would be recognized as a stepping stone for that. But... alas

[Yes, AND]

13 hours ago, BrokenMachine said:

So you agree they only added NRO to the album because it was a decent hit compared to the flop the other songs were? Great 

All the pre release tracks are on various editions of the album. 

[BrokenMachine]

30 minutes ago, Yes, AND said:

All the pre release tracks are on various editions of the album. 

Yes, once she realized she needed every single stream she added those flop tracks 

[SoldierofLove]

Oh wow. The GP really said NO to her this time around.

 

[Raphy23]

5 hours ago, Nefertiti0 said:

Spotify• day 3
798,275(-244,241)

Extremely stable which is a very good sign. 

[cyberraga]

4 hours ago, Enrique523 said:

Sooooooo... is hit single Gimme Gimme out yet? 

Kats will 100% lose any right to talk about "relying on collabs from more relevant artists for a hit" if Gimme Gimme somehow manages to be a hit (and by "hit" I mean doing better than top 50 on BB100). Not like they had any right in the first place considering she's put out 11 collabs as singles post-Dark Horse, but anyway