modeblock Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) We LOVE both legends, buuuttt Madonna debuted 7 years before Mariah, they aren't peers, so these comparisons aren't relevant or revealing in any way. Besides, Madonna is factually bigger and is the QUEEN of POP. Mariah Carey is the Queen of Christmas and has a legendary career in her own right beyond that jingle. Edited July 19 by modeblock 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChooseyLover Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 7 hours ago, QuanticXplosion said: Do Mariah stans seriously compare her to Madonna with a straight face? Like, Madonna could be getting 500l daily streams in total but she will still be bigger than Mariah because she is Madonna... Michael Jackson's only peer. Don't be ridiculous. We all know Madonna is the best selling female artist of all time but their streaming stats are pretty comparable which is why this thread was created in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 14 hours ago, Popboi. said: Yes, I'm sure Crazy - Live at the Coliseu dos Recreios, Lisbon, Portugal, 1/12-23/2020 is making a big difference the difference between them is minimal, so if you take out Madonna's 200 songs you can be sure it will make a difference for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 On 7/17/2024 at 1:37 AM, Chris said: Queen Madonna. I guess she is more relevant to the younger generation than Marissa Cary after all. madonan chose to use young teen artists so the new generation knows that she is still alive Dua Lipa The Weeknd Anita Maluma Justin Timberlake Britney Sam Smith She always needed a boost from someone younger to stay relevant. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said: madonan chose to use young teen artists so the new generation knows that she is still alive Dua Lipa The Weeknd Anita Maluma Justin Timberlake Britney Sam Smith She always needed a boost from someone younger to stay relevant. The Weeknd is the current king of streaming. I'm hoping Mariah has some hot streaming names on her next project too... otherwise... it will look dire. I mean, she did hop on an Ariana song earlier this year... sadly, the song wasn't well received and it wasn't the main version of the song - just a remix... but for what it was, that one remix did pretty well... 26 million streams and counting... It will reach sth like 35m in its first year. <3 Edited July 19 by stevyy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnusualBoy Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Does Madonna have that song with Abel that is still pulling numbers? I'm sure that that helped to give more exposure to the rest of her music. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 6 hours ago, modeblock said: We LOVE both legends, buuuttt Madonna debuted 7 years before Mariah, they aren't peers, so these comparisons aren't relevant or revealing in any way. Besides, Madonna is factually bigger and is the QUEEN of POP. Mariah Carey is the Queen of Christmas and has a legendary career in her own right beyond that jingle. Mariah is The Queen of Christmas... that's often used as a drag. But she wasn't the Queen of Christmas up until idk... 2005 or 2007 when the song truly pushed ahead and got its own life. Sometimes people are denying that Mariah Carey has had a successful career before that... Looking at her stats...Xmas craze comes on top of everything that she has achieved.... 18 other #1's and over 135 million albums sales not counting her first Xmas album. CM: (sales) 1990 - 14,4m - Debut album 1991 - 8,6m - Emotions 1993 - 26,7m - Music Box 1994 - 14,4m - Merry Christmas 1995 - 20,5m - Daydream 1997 - 10,9m - Butterfly 1999 - 7,5m - Rainbow 2001 - 2,1m - Glitter 2002 - 3,0m - Charmbracelet 2005 - 9,1m - TEOM 2008 - 2,1m - E=MC² 2009 - 1,1m - Memoirs 2010 - 1,0m - Merry Christmas II 2014 - 305k - MIAMTEC 2018 - 185k - Caution -- 1992 - 7,0m - MTV Unplugged 1998 - 16,5m - #1's 2001 - 4,7m - Greatest Hits 2003 - 530k - Remixes 2009 - 1,2m - Ballads 2010 - 130k - Best Of 2011 - 200k - Essential 2015 - 400k - Infinity 2020 - 80k - Rarities Only the 3rd best selling female ever has these stats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagol88 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Oh dear lord not another one of these topics. Yall need to go out. If you live in the north hemisphere it's literally summer. Enjoy it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, stevyy said: I mean, she did hop on an Ariana song earlier this year... sadly, the song wasn't well received They shipped it but it got shipped back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, Poncho Barlliams said: She always needed a boost from someone younger to stay relevant Can Mariah survive without Christmas though? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modeblock Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 hours ago, stevyy said: Mariah is The Queen of Christmas... that's often used as a drag. But she wasn't the Queen of Christmas up until idk... 2005 or 2007 when the song truly pushed ahead and got its own life. Sometimes people are denying that Mariah Carey has had a successful career before that... Looking at her stats...Xmas craze comes on top of everything that she has achieved.... 18 other #1's and over 135 million albums sales not counting her first Xmas album. CM: (sales) 1990 - 14,4m - Debut album 1991 - 8,6m - Emotions 1993 - 26,7m - Music Box 1994 - 14,4m - Merry Christmas 1995 - 20,5m - Daydream 1997 - 10,9m - Butterfly 1999 - 7,5m - Rainbow 2001 - 2,1m - Glitter 2002 - 3,0m - Charmbracelet 2005 - 9,1m - TEOM 2008 - 2,1m - E=MC² 2009 - 1,1m - Memoirs 2010 - 1,0m - Merry Christmas II 2014 - 305k - MIAMTEC 2018 - 185k - Caution -- 1992 - 7,0m - MTV Unplugged 1998 - 16,5m - #1's 2001 - 4,7m - Greatest Hits 2003 - 530k - Remixes 2009 - 1,2m - Ballads 2010 - 130k - Best Of 2011 - 200k - Essential 2015 - 400k - Infinity 2020 - 80k - Rarities Only the 3rd best selling female ever has these stats. Oh, I agree. I don't use Queen of Christmas as drag because I don't see it as a bad thing to be associated with the most global known holiday in the world. But I have stanned Mariah since 1996, so I know she has classics upon classics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, Chris said: Can Mariah survive without Christmas though? Her last charting song... was 2022's Big Energy REMIX.... 3xP in Australia and Gold in the UK with a peak of #21. #6 - AUS #20 - NZ #20 - Ireland #21 - UK Obvi, Madonna had some major songs since then as well: , Frozen Sickick, Popular and Vulgar to name the most prominent ones. Their respective last studio album had no real hits. Medellin did ofc better than any Caution track. But it has a total cert total of 65k. Neither of them had a solo hit in ages. The Caution tracks all flopped, I mostly blame the roll-out of the era. "A No No" had the most horrible remixes. I hope we get a new Mariah in the future. I'm curious to what she can deliver. Same for Madonna. Mariah's commercial lifeline, Merry Christmas, did so well last year (2023): #2 - Netherlands #2 - Germany #4 - Canada #4 - Italy #5 - Hungary #6 - Denmark #6 - Norway #6 - New Zealand #6 - Lithuania #7 - Iceland #8 - Sweden #8 - USA #9 - Belgium (F) #11 - Australia #12 - Belgium (W) #13 - Poland #15 - Switzerland #18 - Finland #35 - Japan #35 - Portugal #40 - UK #41 - Ireland #44 - Greece #44 - Austria AIWFCIY was #1 in 22 countries. So, the success is mounting I would say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, Chris said: Can Mariah survive without Christmas though? Surviving from your own compositions is much more worthy than surviving on crumbs from young artists. As you are a fan of Beyoncé, I am not surprised that you delegitimize the importance of a songwriter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 hours ago, Poncho Barlliams said: Surviving from your own compositions is much more worthy than surviving on crumbs from young artists. According to who exactly? I am still so confused on how her other songs like Hung Up and Like a Prayer are also some of her most streamed songs rely on "crumbs" from "younger artists". Life is a mystery indeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slik Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Because Madonna has a more versatile, fun, unique and catchy library Mariah should be happy with her buddy the elf x-mas money 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 2 hours ago, Chris said: According to who exactly? I am still so confused on how her other songs like Hung Up and Like a Prayer are also some of her most streamed songs rely on "crumbs" from "younger artists". Life is a mystery indeed. Neither of these songs is a hit on Spotify, and both are streamed less than Mariah's compositions like 'WBT', Fantasy or Obsessed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Fantasy: 415,168,703 plays Obsessed: 408,337,308 plays Hung Up: 442,485, 133 plays Like a Prayer: 459,872, 279 plays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charmed Life Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 (edited) 18 hours ago, Poncho Barlliams said: madonan chose to use young teen artists so the new generation knows that she is still alive Dua Lipa The Weeknd Anita Maluma Justin Timberlake Britney Sam Smith She always needed a boost from someone younger to stay relevant. If Madonna "always needed a boost from younger artists", then how come she managed to secure global and chart topping success without them? How come she didnt start didn't start using them before 2008? MATM doesn't count since it's for Britney's album. 4 Minutes happened 25 years into her career, and the others came WAY later. It's a shame we can't say the same for Mariah, who started using younger artists and bands very early into her career. Boyz to Men Westlfe Usher Ludacris T-Pain Nicki Minaj Nelly Blood Orange Edited July 20 by Charmed Life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UseYourIllusion2002 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 On 7/13/2024 at 4:58 PM, HardBambi said: OMG the lambs are trying to deny results when the facts are clear: Madonna 5 songs over 300k Mariah 2 songs ober 300k I love seeing Stevvy have meltdowns and pulling up his spreadsheets 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 13 hours ago, Charmed Life said: If Madonna "always needed a boost from younger artists", then how come she managed to secure global and chart topping success without them? How come she didnt start didn't start using them before 2008? MATM doesn't count since it's for Britney's album. 4 Minutes happened 25 years into her career, and the others came WAY later. It's a shame we can't say the same for Mariah, who started using younger artists and bands very early into her career. Boyz to Men Westlfe Usher Ludacris T-Pain Nicki Minaj Nelly Blood Orange Hmm... and yet she has had more solo #1's than any other female, why? 1990 - 4 weeks - Vision of Love 1990 - 3 weeks - Love Takes Time 1991 - 2 weeks - Someday 1991 - 2 weeks - I Don't Wanna Cry 1991 - 3 weeks - Emotions 1993 - 8 weeks - Dreamlover 1993 - 4 weeks - Hero 1995 - 8 weeks - Fantasy 1996 - 2 weeks - Always be my Baby 1997 - 3 weeks - Honey 1998 - 1 week - My All 2005 - 14 weeks - We Belong Together 2005 - 2 weeks - Don't Forget About Us 2008 - 2 weeks - Touch my Body 2019 - 14 weeks - All I want for Christmas collaborated #1's: 1992 - 2 weeks - I'll be There (Trey Lorenz) 1995 - 16 weeks - One Sweet Day (Boyz II Men) 1999 - 2 weeks - Heartbreaker (Jay Z) 2000 - 1 week - Thank God I Found You (98° and Joe) #oops? Mariah's appeal for a duet was her vocals. I don't think the same could be said about Madonna. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalay Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 On 7/20/2024 at 5:52 AM, slik said: Because Madonna has a more versatile, fun, unique and catchy library Mariah should be happy with her buddy the elf x-mas money Mariah has the edge when it comes to demographics. She has solid hits in both AC and hip-hop/RnB fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaynsus Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 You guys need to chill and stream the new Queen of Pop Jade's gay anthem Angel of My Dreams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charmed Life Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) 20 hours ago, stevyy said: Hmm... and yet she has had more solo #1's than any other female, why? 1990 - 4 weeks - Vision of Love 1990 - 3 weeks - Love Takes Time 1991 - 2 weeks - Someday 1991 - 2 weeks - I Don't Wanna Cry 1991 - 3 weeks - Emotions 1993 - 8 weeks - Dreamlover 1993 - 4 weeks - Hero 1995 - 8 weeks - Fantasy 1996 - 2 weeks - Always be my Baby 1997 - 3 weeks - Honey 1998 - 1 week - My All 2005 - 14 weeks - We Belong Together 2005 - 2 weeks - Don't Forget About Us 2008 - 2 weeks - Touch my Body 2019 - 14 weeks - All I want for Christmas collaborated #1's: 1992 - 2 weeks - I'll be There (Trey Lorenz) 1995 - 16 weeks - One Sweet Day (Boyz II Men) 1999 - 2 weeks - Heartbreaker (Jay Z) 2000 - 1 week - Thank God I Found You (98° and Joe) #oops? Mariah's appeal for a duet was her vocals. I don't think the same could be said about Madonna. Only in the US! Madonna is way bigger worldwide, but that's not the point. The user I quoted tried to shame Madonna for leeching off younger artists, and I said Mariah did the same, but much earlier in her career. Mariah's tally of US #1's (solo or otherwise) is irrelevant. "Marah's appeal for a duet was her vocals"? Yes, let's ignore the fact MICHAEL JACKSON, the most successful and influential solo act of all time, literally asked Madonna to work on a song for his Dangerous album. He didn't ask Mariah. All she had to make do with was a re-recording of a song that was (almost) a quarter of a century old. #Oops? Edited July 21 by Charmed Life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charmed Life Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 On 7/20/2024 at 12:22 AM, slik said: Because Madonna has a more versatile, fun, unique and catchy library Mariah should be happy with her buddy the elf x-mas money Absolutely. I can listen to Madonna's albums one after the other and never get bored. I can't say the same about Mariah. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blown away Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Not this fight for a second year in a row At least they both get good streams. I would love for my fave to get those streams. Her discography is of the same quality as both Madonna and Mariah. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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