John Slayne Posted May 15 Posted May 15 Just now, More Than A Melody said: Good lord y'all are corny. You have 10,000 messages on a music forum. Are they all as useless as this one? Would it kill y'all to engage in a meaningful conversation and exchange of ideas? relax sis. i kinda like you. you ride for Harry with conviction, i respect that! that's a true stan 1
dirrtydiana Posted May 15 Posted May 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Moonlight Nation said: I'm not sure I agree with this. Harry has been riding his own 70s rock + soft rock + pop lane since the 2017 debut. Not to mention "Fine Line" was released around the same period as "Hot Pink", "Don't Start Now", and "Blinding Lights", so I'd actually group it (especially the gorgeous "Adore You") alongside them as what marked a shift in mainstream music to fun, feel-good reinterpretations of old-school sounds. You do have a better argument for this if you're applying it to 2022's "Harry's House", though. Now that era left to be desired and ended up rather derivative of what his peers were doing, especially Dua Lipa ("Late Night Talking" probably getting a bit inspired by "Levitating" 's chorus, as much as I still enjoy the former regardless) and The Weeknd ("As It Was" essentially taking from "Blinding Lights" ' success formula plus the similarities between "Cinema" and the "Dawn FM" deep cut "I Heard You're Married") I was most definitely referring to as it was being a direct result of blinding lights' impact as for his debut idk what it'd say what sott is but he's always been sort of like a tribute act for the artists he has been cosplaying as others have mentioned in this thread Edited May 15 by dirrtydiana 1
Raphy23 Posted May 15 Posted May 15 (edited) I really loved his first album and then it went downhill from there. His career kind of mirrors a male Camila trajectory in terms of quality. Edited May 15 by Raphy23
Rose Posted May 15 Posted May 15 8 hours ago, More Than A Melody said: Rose, give it up. They had incredible success with all their prior projects and they couldn't replicate it with their last two efforts because they fell short. In the span of 9 years they went from having an album that charted for 500 weeks to an album that charted for 13 and didn't reach #1. In the UK where they're worshiped. That's so far beyond "not doing music for the charts." You're also a massive hypocrite. You think Harry doesn't respect the women he dates yet in the next sentence you say you're a huge fan of Alex, who very openly mistreated all his exes and cheated on the last one. Like, full blown openly affair. With a fan. If you think Harry doesn't respect the women he dates, then you must think Alex despises them. Considering Harry is on good terms with all his exes and Alex only gets on well with Alexa and the other ones hate him. Alex Turner's ex had his name tattooed and covered it with A GRAVE. Debating this is pointless if you aren't willing to admit that after AM they chose a far less accessible genre. That is a FACT. I happen to prefer it to the earlier stuff. It's more mature and sophisticated. The Car didn't reach number 1 because of Taylor but it still sold over 100k first week, which is highly impressive and more than most UK acts can manage. And yeah, I don't care if Alex Turner cheats on his gf as long as he writes songs like There'd Better Be a Mirrorball afterwards. 8 hours ago, More Than A Melody said: Truth of the matter is that you turned on Harry a lot, a lot earlier than what you're claiming. I purposefully didn't come to the forum at all in 2022 because I knew it'd be a dumpster fire, and you had already turned. When Harry's House came out you were already coming for him and calling him a queerbaiter. You very openly came for him for his clothes and his aesthetic. And neither of his movies had come out at that point. You can try to fool yourself, but I was here for your spiral down OHH and you cannot fool me. I'm a fan mainly because of his music, so... Being a fan doesn't mean you have to love every single thing your fave does. You think Harry can do no wrong and feel the need to defend him from any type of criticism, which is deeply unhealthy. We've both started out as larries, so trying to convince me you're his fan because of the music is laughable.
Daglazzo Posted May 15 Posted May 15 15 hours ago, JO1s said: His ugly pink biker shorts could mean anything The artistic vision
Mr. Duff Posted May 15 Posted May 15 15 hours ago, Rose said: I used to regularly read his concert reviews and someone (I think after the Paris or Belgium show) wrote that he could have not sang a single note and the fans would have been there regardless. Basically, his fans aren't fans because of his music. No Harry Styles fan is dying to hear his next album. They may be missing him but that's a different thing. He's actually the worst concert I've been to. I saw him in Slane Castle in Ireland last year. He kept running on stage and asked the crowd to sing. I guess my mistake is going to a concert expecting great vocals, which it's not. Could be because he's tired, that's understandable, but once is enough. 10 hours ago, More Than A Melody said: I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. This is a forum to debate music. I'm debating music. If the objective of me debating on a forum was to change people's minds, or if I thought was in any way possible, I'd be delusional. Three years before I even created a user on this forum, there was a thread that was like 15 pages long laughing at how much he was gonna flop when his contract with Columbia was announced. Imagine how much hatred those same people will have now that he's an ultra successful act who has even won AOTY. I didn't call YOU racist. I legitimately said that I hate the white gay approach to consuming pop culture. And I stand by that. I don't think white gay music is lesser than the kind of music I enjoy, because frankly I like a lot of white gay music. One of my favorite artists is Dua, and she's one of the main artists white gays consume. Perhaps stop making assumptions about me. And artists like Harry, like Justin Bieber, like Shawn Mendes, do "suffer" from misogyny, not the artists themselves of course, but their fanbases. And often it does translate to prejudice against the artist. The way they're perceived by the media, by their peers, by reviewers, etc. If young girls like art then that art must be mediocre, bland, unserious, etc. The hatred society has for young girls is pathological. 1. First line - You come across as this unfortunately, whether you are aware of it or not. 2. Second line - I do hope you apply this to yourself too. 1 7
Fitzswiftie Posted May 15 Posted May 15 On 5/14/2024 at 1:13 AM, NEX said: I hope when people say Bowie they only refer to the outfits cause ch... fr, because he's musically more in common with Sting and Peter Gabriel's solo career 1
Riverbank Posted May 15 Posted May 15 No artistic narrative, no fashion sense, no talent... The list goes on tbh 5
Digitalism Posted May 15 Posted May 15 I still remember during his debut when he claimed his music was like Bowie's only to serve 2010's Robbie Williams 1
Popular Post ithinkheknowsoutsold Posted May 15 Popular Post Posted May 15 12 hours ago, More Than A Melody said: I didn't call YOU racist. You didn't call me racist? Let's look at this: 20 hours ago, More Than A Melody said: I hate the way white gay men engage with pop culture in general (which is generally misogynistic and racist). Your comment in and of itself is part of that If you say that you hate the way white gay men engage with pop culture and tell me that my comment is part of that way, what are you implying then? You make so many assumptions about everyone here, you tell me that my way way of engaging with pop culture is misogynistic and racist and then you try to claim that I'm making assumptions about you? This is not a gender issue, don't make it one. Criticism of Harry Styles is in no way misogynistic, and Harry Styles is not a victim. You were just telling me a few posts ago how successful he was: Quote given that Harry's House was one of the most awarded albums in the last decade, included in the top 500 albums of old time by Rolling Stone, got critical acclaim, and won an AOTY equivalent award in 9 different award ceremonies, including the Grammys. It's also already in the top 40 most streamed albums of all time. And was shortlisted to the Mercury Prize. And Harry was nominated to the most prestigious songwriting award, the Ivor Novellos, and won two times (he's nominated again). If he is so successful by catering to a teen female audience, how does society hate teenage girls again and how is Harry Styles suffering from misogyny? Also, if you do not think we are important enough for our opinions about him to matter, then why are you crying and being passive aggressive here for the past 6 pages about how his music is not respected by me and other ATRL-ers? I rest my case. 4 11
Mr. Duff Posted May 15 Posted May 15 1 hour ago, ithinkheknowsoutsold said: You didn't call me racist? Let's look at this: If you say that you hate the way white gay men engage with pop culture and tell me that my comment is part of that way, what are you implying then? You make so many assumptions about everyone here, you tell me that my way way of engaging with pop culture is misogynistic and racist and then you try to claim that I'm making assumptions about you? This is not a gender issue, don't make it one. Criticism of Harry Styles is in no way misogynistic, and Harry Styles is not a victim. You were just telling me a few posts ago how successful he was: If he is so successful by catering to a teen female audience, how does society hate teenage girls again and how is Harry Styles suffering from misogyny? Also, if you do not think we are important enough for our opinions about him to matter, then why are you crying and being passive aggressive here for the past 6 pages about how his music is not respected by me and other ATRL-ers? I rest my case. There's no point in arguing to be honest. That user is close-minded. I do love Harry and his bops but again, I agree that he has no artistic narrative. 2
slw84 Posted May 15 Posted May 15 17 hours ago, More Than A Melody said: Flexing his muscles or, you know, moving? He was shirtless but wearing glitter and pink, and you've made it extremely clear that you find any kind of femininity in men disgusting. Notice how you don't deny being shallow. Growth. Go off. Fight for ya manz. Looks wise harry and mick have a similarity but I'm not sure why we are even discussing them except to drag Harry. Harry is harmless and makes catchy pop music.
Alex Posted May 15 Posted May 15 You're right and you should say it. His AOTY win ironically being the most forgettable one in decades is also funny asf
kataraqueen Posted May 15 Posted May 15 the first skirts in men's wear collections appeared in the 80s. FIFTY years later a popstar is wearing one... let artsy boys be artsy boys without projecting so negatively And also don't deny him of his identity just because you can't imagine a boy like him enjoying and it genuinely being part of his identity. Very backwards behaviour honestly I don't even use harry like that (genuinely haven't heard a single song), but the online discourse over a straight dude wearing a skirt always takes me out. What has the dude done that makes you question his legitimacy this much (apart from lick *****)?
JT55331 Posted May 15 Posted May 15 He doesn't need one. His fans find him 'cute' and 'quirky' - that's all he needs. The boyband past and radio/label support have really propelled him to major stardom and his fan base is huge - have you been to any of his shows? On top of that 'As it was' despite being mid was a global smash
Ms. Togekiss Posted May 15 Posted May 15 Imagine posting over 10 full essays defending certified queerbaiter Harry Styles of all people and then having the nerve to go into other threads with that holier than thou attitude to drag most of ATRL's faves
Raphy23 Posted May 15 Posted May 15 9 hours ago, Mr. Duff said: He's actually the worst concert I've been to. I saw him in Slane Castle in Ireland last year. He kept running on stage and asked the crowd to sing. I guess my mistake is going to a concert expecting great vocals, which it's not. Could be because he's tired, that's understandable, but once is enough. Similarly, I was actually a big fan of his UNTIL I saw him in concert. I saw him live in coachella and ever since then I have moved on. I guess I was just expecting more.
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