alfonso12 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 12 minutes ago, Strawberry Bubble said: It was like she had a song as big as Miley Cyrus' 'Flowers,' and then three months later, another hit just as massive. And on top of that, you had the videos, her persona, and those killer dresses she wore. Exactly. I think the only newcomers that have been close to that are Olivia with the Sour era and Dua with FN but still, the songs weren't as big and their media presence didn't feel as big either.
Redstreak Posted May 1 Posted May 1 22 minutes ago, mrpartyrocker said: A whole world changed the way they made pop music, performed and showed up at events. Dance music was reborn because of the fame/the fame monster (an era that lasted over 3 years). You must have lived in a cave if you are denying that. also, born this way is one of the big eras of 2010's thank you. Who when and where? Anything past the two years she was active?
tshwark Posted May 1 Posted May 1 9 minutes ago, mrpartyrocker said: Not you talking about numbers as if that's the only thing that defines someone's success. Are you really comparing susan boyle with lady gaga? And that ONE song BEP smashed with during that time? Biggest means absolutely everything, like The Bodyguard Era, the biggest smash hit, pushing ALBUM units like no other and getting all the awards like AOTY, critics praise, etc. or Celine's Titanic era, now that's absolute dominance. 1 1 2
mrpartyrocker Posted May 1 Posted May 1 1 minute ago, tshwark said: Biggest means absolutely everything, like The Bodyguard Era, the biggest smash hit, pushing ALBUM units like no other and getting all the awards like AOTY, critics praise, etc. or Celine's Titanic era, now that's absolute dominance. Why are we talking about albums from the 90's in a thread about someone that debuted in 2008? Girl, pls stop with this nonsense
mrpartyrocker Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Who when and where? Anything past the two years she was active? lmao. Do your research. clearly I can't discuss with someone that doesn't have an idea about this! Edited May 1 by mrpartyrocker
Redstreak Posted May 1 Posted May 1 1 minute ago, mrpartyrocker said: lmao. Do your research. clearly I can't discuss with someone that doesn't have an idea about this! I was literally a stan during those years, it's undeniable that after that era her cultural capital is just not felt or seen 3
AvadaKedavra Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) Like people said here it was definitely not only real catchy hits. late gen z will not remember any of this of course It was her high fashion. Everyone was always perched for her looks The insane theathrical performances. The premiere of her videos. The raw talent. Her outspoken-ness and LGBTI rights-antibullies stances. Something like Madonna in the 80s-90s but for the 2000s kids The controversial moments and the outrage all over the media and strange conspiracies. Gaga was a moving circus The technological-futuristic-alien vibe of her The visuals. The fandom and crazyness. Little Monsters. The memes. The Funny moments. The flashmobs All the popgirls-major celebrities were in love with her or just real jealous. Madonna was threathened by her. MADONNA!!! The Hype for every release The praise from all the Old Legends from the Rock-Metal world Singers all over the world changin their personas and coming with over-the-top concepts similar to her People say the ERAS-Midnights era was something bigger than GAGA PEAk but i disagree. Taylor eras tour frenzy was mostly focused on her loyal large teen girl fanbase The Gaga one was all over the GP and Worldwide. It was such a large cultural phenomenon Im from Latinoamerica and she was everywhere. She was respected, praised, people were always.......WHOS LADY GAGA? Omg she's the best And this was her Rival-Nemesis. This speaks a lot also of how powerful was Katy Perry back then Edited May 1 by AvadaKedavra 1
Junipero Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Who when and where? Anything past the two years she was active? At the time of Gaga's debut, VEVO did not exist yet; I would say the arrival of VEVO standardizing music videos on YouTube really helped revitalize the music video, and in a sense Gaga also made music videos big again. The VMA's had a slight revival during this period and her 2009 performance really was shocking(at the time) and was the most talked about performance of the night. She was mysterious and people asked if she was a man, I personally felt that she was offended, but also played it off with the media. It was apparent that many celebrities were copying Gaga's style. Look at how Rihanna dressed in 2007, and look at how she dressed in 2009; she had an interview with Ellen around this time and Ellen asked Rihanna if she was always into fashion(because she was never really outrageous with fashion, she was more casual). Look at the album cover of "Rated R" and compare it to "Good Girl Gone Bad." Even the men were copying her; the Kanye West "Monster" music video is a good example. Look at Will.i.am how he dressed at the 2010 VMA's as well. Billboard did an article of the 10-year anniversary of "Teenage Dream" and Katy's manager implied that the album was going to be dancier(trend chasing) because the sound of music had changed. It was obvious that Lady Gaga had already forced labels to have their singers come out with albums that were alternatives to "The Fame." Katy went with a more in-your-face visual appeal with the Candy-themed fashion that was on obvious attempt from her managers to one-up Lady Gaga's success. I can't pull it up right now, but Katy wearing the cube getting the 2011 VMA for Video of Year Award got a lot of comparisons to her copying Gaga on Twitter. I might pull them up later. Edited May 1 by Junipero 1
tshwark Posted May 1 Posted May 1 39 minutes ago, mrpartyrocker said: Why are we talking about albums from the 90's in a thread about someone that debuted in 2008? Girl, pls stop with this nonsense So it was impossible in the 2010s to have the biggest hit and the biggest album at the same time? lmaooo 1
Redstreak Posted May 1 Posted May 1 6 minutes ago, Junipero said: At the time of Gaga's debut, VEVO did not exist yet; I would say the arrival of VEVO standardizing music videos on YouTube really helped revitalize the music video, and in a sense Gaga also made music videos big again. The VMA's had a slight revival during this period and her 2009 performance really was shocking(at the time) and was the most talked about performance of the night. She was mysterious and people asked if she was a man, I personally felt that she was offended, but also played it off with the media. It was apparent that many celebrities were copying Gaga's style. Look at how Rihanna dressed in 2007, and look at how she dressed in 2009; she had an interview with Ellen around this time and Ellen asked Rihanna if she was always into fashion(because she was never really outrageous with fashion, she was more casual). Look at the album cover of "Rated R" and compare it to "Good Girl Gone Bad." Even the men were copying her; the Kanye West "Monster" music video is a good example. Look at Will.i.am how he dressed at the 2010 VMA's as well. Billboard did an article of the 10-year anniversary of "Teenage Dream" and Katy's manager implied that the album was going to be dancier(trend chasing) because the sound of music had changed. It was obvious that Lady Gaga had already forced labels to have their singers come out with albums that were alternatives to "The Fame." Katy went with a more in-your-face visual appeal with the Candy-themed fashion that was on obvious attempt from her managers to one-up Lady Gaga's success. I can't pull it up right now, but Katy wearing the cube getting the 2011 VMA for Video of Year Award got a lot of comparisons to her copying Gaga on Twitter. I might pull them up later. Which doesn't address how it has shaped the industry past the time where she was doing her thing. I'd argue Avril Lavigne has a lot more of her early work you can still see the influence of in the upcoming gen despite not making a lot of noise herself past her first few albums 1
brenda-walsh Posted May 1 Posted May 1 3 hours ago, alfonso12 said: She released smash after smash, like, I don't think gen z realizes how big those songs were. Plus, she had amazing videos and performances that kept people talking about her, it was impossible to escape from. you realize not all Gen Z are 13 year-olds, right? i was 9/10 at the time of her peak and remember her being all over the radio and the mania she would cause just from one outfit. not to mention my dad thinking she was a witch and being scared at youtube videos saying she was illuminati
CoolNebraskaGuy Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Which doesn't address how it has shaped the industry past the time where she was doing her thing. I'd argue Avril Lavigne has a lot more of her early work you can still see the influence of in the upcoming gen despite not making a lot of noise herself past her first few albums Gaga's legacy transcends pop music trends, but even then, she has considerable impact. Plenty of the newer generation of pop stars cite her as a massive inspiration (Ariana, Billie, Rina, Sam Smith, Troye, Ava Max, etc.). People don't have to directly copy her sound for her impact to be massive. And while there was certainly more at play than just Gaga and Born This Way, she played a massive role in bringing explicitly queer culture into the mainstream. Also, the fact that pretty much every record label pre-Adele forced their pop stars into emulating Gaga can't just be dismissed. She literally shifted the paradigm. We certainly aren't going to dismiss this out of hand. Edited May 1 by CoolNebraskaGuy 2
alfonso12 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 4 minutes ago, brenda-walsh said: you realize not all Gen Z are 13 year-olds, right? i was 9/10 at the time of her peak and remember her being all over the radio and the mania she would cause just from one outfit. not to mention my dad thinking she was a witch and being scared at youtube videos saying she was illuminati Yeah but not everyone got to experience it the same way older people did. Like, I doubt when you were 9 you were watching all her TV performances online or seeing the huge amount of pictures online that would appear every time she went out with a crazy outfit. Also, the gays going crazy at the clubs doing the Bad Romance or Judas choreography when the songs came out (which would happen multiple times every night).
brenda-walsh Posted May 1 Posted May 1 16 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Which doesn't address how it has shaped the industry past the time where she was doing her thing. I'd argue Avril Lavigne has a lot more of her early work you can still see the influence of in the upcoming gen despite not making a lot of noise herself past her first few albums she's definitely the one who made the whole gay icon thing everyone is obsessed with today a thing. i know there were obviously plenty of artists before her who championed the LGBT community but Gaga was the modern day girl who brought so much attention to it and dedicated her work to the community. after her it felt like every popgirl sort of jumped on the bandwagon and was eager to have that gay icon status and parade the queer community as part of their work. see: Taylor, Ariana, Beyoncé, etc. she also revolutionized fashion in music and inspired lots of artists to up their style game and present themselves in much more daring and dramatic aesthetics. everyone in the fashion industry single-handedly credited her for making the Met Gala a mainstream event and even to this day you see all these celebrities wearing crazy outfits on the red carpet and trying to become as noticed as possible. sure her peak was shortlived and her career didn't live up to what people thought it'd be, but she absolutely had an influence on pop culture and the industry. even the whole sadgirl tumblr thing that became really popular was imo a backlash to Lady Gaga's image and influence, which is something powerful within itself. like imagine a whole movement in the music industry rising up because of you the same thing happened to MJ and Madonna in the 90s and Britney after the late 90s/ early 2000s teenpop era 3
shimind Posted May 1 Posted May 1 4 hours ago, Pheromosa said: Not sure but to imagine in 2024 she would be a big pharma shill, I couldn't have foreseen it why not stick to what the OP asked
JO1s Posted May 1 Posted May 1 She was hungry and driven. How sad to see her shine and drive burned out so quickly. Now all she gives us is hedache med commercials and dated rehashes of her old music.
Pop Art Posted May 1 Posted May 1 9 minutes ago, brenda-walsh said: even the whole sadgirl tumblr thing that became really popular was imo a backlash to Lady Gaga's image and influence, which is something powerful within itself. like imagine a whole movement in the music industry rising up because of you the same thing happened to MJ and Madonna in the 90s and Britney after the late 90s/ early 2000s teenpop era !!! This truly isn't talked about enough, and I think the rise of Adele being around the same time goes hand in hand with it. It was like an anti-Gaga movement formed as a reaction to what she was the face of once she reached a certain level of overexposure: Adele for the GP and that sadgirl Tumblr aesthetic for the early stan world. It's one thing to be so big that other artists try to emulate you, but to also be so massively inescapable that the opposite trend happens once you reach a certain point of societal overexposure is next level impact that few have experienced. 2
MatiRod Posted May 1 Posted May 1 She felt like a true superstar with immense presence and guts and just felt like this seismic arrival in the music scene. And most importantly she had non stop smash hits. "I'm a free ***** baby" in those monstrous Alexander McQueen heels liberated a whole generation from the boring constraints of hetero-pandering, corporate-friendly style that pop music had become stagnated in by the late 2000s. Just take a look at any number of videos from that time, they're fun, but there was nothing truly exciting going on in the mainstream (with some noticeable exceptions like Single Ladies). There was a clear before and after with Gaga. She made audiences and the industry remember that a pop star could be truly outlandish, outspoken, and daring, and a vehicle for social change, she was explicitly pro LGBT. Until Gaga came out, the only popstar of that generation who had directly either visually or lyrically upheld gay people in the 2000s was Christina. Most of the others stayed away from it, even if they had a huge gay following. 4
M!X Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Everything about that era was just perfect catchy well produced songs that honestly sound fresh today amazing music videos great performances she was serving so many memorable looks it's sad how post Artpop it seems like that person just does not exist anymore I enjoyed Chromatica a lot actually but it seems like that edge she had was gone (you can argue artpop is not good but honestly it still sounds like she was trying to be different and experiment as opposite to everything that came after) It's obvious she just grew out of it, she seems much more natural these days as this jazz/soundtracks movie star than the iconic slutty bi sexual stripper singing I wanna ride your disco stick 1
mrpartyrocker Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, tshwark said: So it was impossible in the 2010s to have the biggest hit and the biggest album at the same time? lmaooo What do you mean tf/m is one of the biggest albums of the 2010's pls shut up, it sold over 30m WW. Edited May 1 by mrpartyrocker
mrpartyrocker Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, Redstreak said: I was literally a stan during those years, it's undeniable that after that era her cultural capital is just not felt or seen Says who? You? https://www.grammy.com/news/lady-gaga-career-achievements-awards-womens-history-month-video-run-the-world https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/share/035d4d1b-9b9b-49ae-9f41-7df1c9927bbd?inline https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/lady-gaga-the-fame-pop-stardom-8470910/amp/ And these are just 3 articles to prove my point, but I cba to waste my time with you. Some of y'all need a reality check: your point is not valid if you cannot sustain it with FACTS! It's just an opinion based on what you think you know! Edited May 1 by mrpartyrocker
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