slw84 Posted April 28 Posted April 28 13 hours ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said: But madonnas like a virgin was the first female album to be certified 5 platinum in history in 1985 back in the day. That was a record. So Carole did not sell more than 4 million in the 70s. She kept selling it afterwards as a great catalogue sale. So Donna can be still big in many ways while Carol's number was not as big as today. This doesn't negate that Carole's tapestry still outsold and that most people would believe Donna was the more successful artists between the two. I'm not sure certs is the game to go with. In a span of 3-4 years recently Carole's album Tapestry went from 11x platinum to 13x platinum to 14x platinum...and it's not because she sold 3M albums this decade.
slw84 Posted April 28 Posted April 28 2 hours ago, HardBambi said: Billboard's list is obviously accurate for the US and Beyonce was bigger than Britney, they have the facts.. but yeah from the outside as a chart lover I would have said Britney was bigger, I remember her albums opening with +1 million in the US alone or more, that was unmatched, but actually so did Bey she was number 1 with Baby boy and Irreplaceable for literally months Billboard's formula factors radio play not just sales. Being a multiformat artist benefits. Based on Billboard's formula Beyonce was that for 2000s. based on sales in the US and globally Britney was it. I think both things could be true at the same time. Beyonce is Billboard (US metric) female artist of the decade and Britney is the top selling female artists of the 2000s in the US and globally. It's just one fanbase brags about the accolade when there's a * as Carole, Madonna, Mariah, and Taylor were not just the artist of the decade based on Billboard's formula they also sold the most albums in the US and WW to achieve all three accolades. All the male artists of the decades also held the billboard title and also sold the most in the US and WW that decade...one artist* just has the billboard accolade (which is a great accolade to hold).
thequeenofpopmadonna Posted April 28 Posted April 28 (edited) 18 minutes ago, slw84 said: This doesn't negate that Carole's tapestry still outsold and that most people would believe Donna was the more successful artists between the two. I'm not sure certs is the game to go with. In a span of 3-4 years recently Carole's album Tapestry went from 11x platinum to 13x platinum to 14x platinum...and it's not because she sold 3M albums this decade. She sold well since the soundscan era. Not before. Like I said by the mid 80s she didn't sell more than 5 million. Since the soundscan she started selling so well and got certified great. A big catalogue classic. I agree Donna was still big and the impact was huge. She was the darling of the 70s. Edited April 28 by thequeenofpopmadonna
thequeenofpopmadonna Posted April 28 Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, slw84 said: Billboard's formula factors radio play not just sales. Being a multiformat artist benefits. Based on Billboard's formula Beyonce was that for 2000s. based on sales in the US and globally Britney was it. I think both things could be true at the same time. Beyonce is Billboard (US metric) female artist of the decade and Britney is the top selling female artists of the 2000s in the US and globally. It's just one fanbase brags about the accolade when there's a * as Carole, Madonna, Mariah, and Taylor were not just the artist of the decade based on Billboard's formula they also sold the most albums in the US and WW to achieve all three accolades. All the male artists of the decades also held the billboard title and also sold the most in the US and WW that decade...one artist* just has the billboard accolade (which is a great accolade to hold). Like I said before, not in the 80s. Madonna took the artist of the decade for the 80s in 1990.
HardBambi Posted April 28 Posted April 28 12 minutes ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said: Like I said before, not in the 80s. Madonna took the artist of the decade for the 80s in 1990. Rightly so
jdanton2 Posted April 28 Posted April 28 (edited) the multi platinum awards did not start till 1984 which might be why Madonna got certified before Carole King.her album was huge . https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/about-awards/ RIAA GOLD & PLATINUM CERTIFICATON LEVELS Certification Minimum Units Date Established Gold® 500,000 1958 Platinum® 1,000,000 1976 Multi-Platinum® 2,000,000 (in increments of 1,000,000 thereafter) 1984 Diamond® 10,000,000 1999 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapestry_(Carole_King_album) Commercial performance Carole King's Tapestry is a triumph of mass culture. In less than two years it has sold well over five million copies, putting it in a class with the best-selling albums of all time, and it is still on the charts … Such statistics are so overwhelming that they seem to transform a mere record into some sort of ineluctable cultural presence, and in a sense they do. — Robert Christgau (Newsday, November 1972)[22] Tapestry was a big commercial success. It spent 15 consecutive weeks at number one on the U.S. Billboard 200.[23][24] It still holds the record for most consecutive weeks at number one by a female solo artist.[25] The album also spent nearly six years charting U.S. Billboard 200 (318 weeks), on which King also spent 302 consecutive weeks. For more than 40 years, Tapestry held the record for the longest-charting album by a female solo artist in the U.S., until Adele's 21 broke the record in 2017.[26][27][28] In Canada, the album was on the Top 100 chart from April 14, 1971, to January 20, 1973, and again from September 22, 1973, to February 16, 1974. Tapestry was also very successful across the world. In Canada, it spent nine weeks at number one beginning July 3, 1971.[29] In the United Kingdom, the album debuted at number 32 on UK Albums Chart but eventually rose to number four and spent 136 weeks in the Top 100.[30] Tapestry reportedly sold over 7 million[31] copies in its first year, and 14 million copies in the US to date. Edited April 28 by jdanton2 1 2
slw84 Posted April 28 Posted April 28 25 minutes ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said: Like I said before, not in the 80s. Madonna took the artist of the decade for the 80s in 1990. I'm not sure the point of your argument. I did not suggest Madonna wasn't the biggest female artists of the 80s so you are just rehashing 2+2=4 right now. 29 minutes ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said: She sold well since the soundscan era. Not before. Like I said by the mid 80s she didn't sell more than 5 million. Since the soundscan she started selling so well and got certified great. A big catalogue classic. I agree Donna was still big and the impact was huge. She was the darling of the 70s. You don't have the answers Sway. RIAA shows the album was certified diamond in the mid 90s the sales from the 70s to 90s doesn't show when 9M units were sold and that Carole King still was the female artist of the 70s despite Donna being more recognized for the 70s hits. Even Donna's biggest selling album didn't reach it's top certification until the 80s. I'm not sure I get your point and it doesn't change the Carole, Madonna, Mariah, Beyonce, Taylor were top selling female artists of their decade in the US and WW in addition to this billboard accolade.
Lovett Posted April 28 Posted April 28 "It should be Britney", sorry girls but it's factually not. This isn't opinion based, it's accumulated chart points across all metrics. So Beyoncé is #1 for the 2000s, whether you feel otherwise or not. 4
slw84 Posted April 28 Posted April 28 4 minutes ago, jdanton2 said: the multi platinum awards did not start till 1984 which might be why Madonna got certified before Carole King.her album was huge . https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/about-awards/ RIAA GOLD & PLATINUM CERTIFICATON LEVELS Certification Minimum Units Date Established Gold® 500,000 1958 Platinum® 1,000,000 1976 Multi-Platinum® 2,000,000 (in increments of 1,000,000 thereafter) 1984 Diamond® 10,000,000 1999 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapestry_(Carole_King_album) Commercial performance Carole King's Tapestry is a triumph of mass culture. In less than two years it has sold well over five million copies, putting it in a class with the best-selling albums of all time, and it is still on the charts … Such statistics are so overwhelming that they seem to transform a mere record into some sort of ineluctable cultural presence, and in a sense they do. — Robert Christgau (Newsday, November 1972)[22] Tapestry was a big commercial success. It spent 15 consecutive weeks at number one on the U.S. Billboard 200.[23][24] It still holds the record for most consecutive weeks at number one by a female solo artist.[25] The album also spent nearly six years charting U.S. Billboard 200 (318 weeks), on which King also spent 302 consecutive weeks. For more than 40 years, Tapestry held the record for the longest-charting album by a female solo artist in the U.S., until Adele's 21 broke the record in 2017.[26][27][28] In Canada, the album was on the Top 100 chart from April 14, 1971, to January 20, 1973, and again from September 22, 1973, to February 16, 1974. Tapestry was also very successful across the world. In Canada, it spent nine weeks at number one beginning July 3, 1971.[29] In the United Kingdom, the album debuted at number 32 on UK Albums Chart but eventually rose to number four and spent 136 weeks in the Top 100.[30] Tapestry reportedly sold over 7 million[31] copies in its first year, and 14 million copies in the US to date. Thank you. RIAA wasn't the only way to track sales. It is a certification process. pre mid 80s most albums and singles were certified either gold or platinum even if they went beyond. Carole's album was only certified gold in the 70s it went platinum in 93 then diamond in 95. It's all about a label paying for certification processes to be completed. No one believes that Tapestry (#1 for 15 weeks) only sold 500k copies in the 70s despite only getting a gold certification. No one believes Tapestry magically only sells 500k-1M to get certified platinum and double platinum in 1993 and then 8M more units get sold between 1993-1995 (Tapestry was certified diamond in 1995)...just as no one believes in 2021/2022 when Tapestry got certified again as 11x platinum and then jumped up to 13x platinum and then 14x platinum that in 2-3 years the album sold 3M more copies in. the 2020s Now I don't know why labels don't have an automatic cert or just certify timely but sales exist without certifications which is why Carole, Madonna, Mariah, and Taylor was also the biggest sellers in addition to the billboard formula. One way or another it's a prestigious honor to hold
Cruel Summer Posted April 28 Posted April 28 58 minutes ago, SuperCiC1 said: Now can Swifties stop calling them peers? Bey already CONQUERED the 00's (in a much larger and more diverse field of competition at that). The question is if Tay will take the 20s or fade out by 2026. She's literally locked for this title in the 2020s already (which you might want to note would be her second female AOTD title, not her first). That aside, Billboard article will come out today announcing she has the second biggest week in US history, she's on the biggest tour of all time, and she's consistently been among the biggest artists in the world for like 16 years nonstop. Where exactly do you think she's going by a year and a half from now? 5 1
slw84 Posted April 28 Posted April 28 4 minutes ago, Lovett said: "It should be Britney", sorry girls but it's factually not. This isn't opinion based, it's accumulated chart points across all metrics. So Beyoncé is #1 for the 2000s, whether you feel otherwise or not. I think it's been established since late 2009 that Billboard's US metrics of not just sales but radio play is in the formula that Beyonce rightfully is the 2000s female artist of the decade based on Billboards formula. I think the point is Britney was the top seller without massive multiformat radio push in the US and WW. I think another point to note is that Carole King, Madonna, Mariah, and Taylor not only attain the Billboard accolade based on the formula of including radio play but also have the accolade of being the top seller in sales in the US and WW which is difficult to do not everyone has that across the board. Surprisingly, every time this thread is rehashed not many are using a * like they do with Lady gaga's 1M debut week but the point remains billboard's AOTD is a prestigious honor. Also being the top seller in the US and WW is a prestigious honor. Kudos to Carole, Madonna, Mariah and Tayor for being able to snag all three simultaneously.And kudos to Beyonce for having an impressive radio airplay run and solid album sales to even outrank Alicia Keys who's first three albums sold more in the 2000s but, like Britney, didn't have as much radio play which is part of Billboard's formula. 1
slw84 Posted April 28 Posted April 28 Just now, Cruel Summer said: She's literally locked for this title in the 2020s already (which you might want to note would be her second female AOTD title, not her first). That aside, Billboard article will come out today announcing she has the second biggest week in US history, she's on the biggest tour of all time, and she's consistently been among the biggest artists in the world for like 16 years nonstop. Where exactly do you think she's going by a year and a half from now? It's really impressive that she will be the female AOTD back to back (2010s/2020s). I thought it would be cute if Drake and taylor switched (2010s Drake overall AOTD, Female AOTD taylor/ 2020s overall AOTD Taylor, Male AOTD Drake) but it seems Morgen will snatch it from Drake. or even the Weeknd. Nonetheless the growth for Taylor 2 1
thequeenofpopmadonna Posted April 28 Posted April 28 Still britneys sales are so impressive. I want to acknowledge that. 1
shyboi Posted April 28 Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said: Still britneys sales are so impressive. I want to acknowledge that. we all know Britney deserved but she is not active, if she was still active and releasing albums they would easily credit her 1
thequeenofpopmadonna Posted April 28 Posted April 28 (edited) 2 minutes ago, shyboi said: we all know Britney deserved but she is not active, if she was still active and releasing albums they would easily credit her Of course. It's her life and musical choice in the end. Nobody told her not to release more albums. IF she was happy that way, then be it. Edited April 28 by thequeenofpopmadonna 1
kataraqueen Posted April 28 Posted April 28 billboard is full of **** and clearly bases these positions on arbitrary metrics that only they use for their own charts 1 1
1989 Posted April 28 Posted April 28 The way Taylor is going to be the first to achieve this title twice.
Finkypop Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Taylor is really the biggest artist of all time. The fact she's on her way to being the overall artist of this decade as well 1 1
HardBambi Posted April 29 Posted April 29 6 minutes ago, Finkypop said: Taylor is really the biggest artist of all time. The fact she's on her way to being the overall artist of this decade as well Stop the count!
Kiss It Better Posted April 29 Posted April 29 2010s would've been Rihanna had she released R9, R10 and R11 in 2017-2019
Jamie Starr Posted April 29 Posted April 29 On 4/27/2024 at 2:30 PM, LegaMyth said: I'm not sure how accurate this is, but here you go. https://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/212842/artists-decade-80s Top Female Artists of the 1960s: 1. Supremes 2. Brenda Lee 3. Barbra Streisand 4. Aretha Franklin 5. Connie Francis Top Female Artists of the 1970s: 1. Carole King 2. Donna Summer 3. Olivia Newton-John 4. Barbra Streisand 5. Linda Ronstadt **(Surprisingly, Diana Ross is directly under Linda.) Top Female Artists of the 1980s: 1. Madonna 2. Whitney Houston 3. Janet Jackson 4. Pat Benatar 5. Diana Ross **(Ann & Nancy Wilson of Heart would be #3 but their bands include men.) Top Female Artists of the 1990s: 1. Mariah Carey 2. Janet Jackson 3. Whitney Houston 4. Madonna 5. TLC **(Toni Braxton would be #5 if the list is solo artists only) Top Female Artists of the 2000s: 1. Beyonce 2. Alicia Keys 3. Britney Spears 4. Destiny's Child 5. Mariah Carey **(P!nk would be #5 if the lists were solo artists only) Top Female Artists of the 2010s: 1. Taylor Swift 2. Rihanna 3. Adele 4. Katy Perry 5. Lady Gaga Notes: -Madonna, Whitney, Janet, and Mariah were all in the Top 5 for women in multiple decades. -Madonna & Whitney were the only women to in the Top 10 Overall Artists for multiple decades. Unfortunately, Mariah was #11 for the 2000s. -Michael and Madonna were damn near neck-to-neck for the 1980s. Michael had 12,610,000 points & Madonna had 12,530,000 points. -Madonna, Whitney, Janet, and Mariah were all in the Top 5 for women in multiple decades. 1
LOTF Posted April 29 Posted April 29 On 4/27/2024 at 1:19 PM, Jamie Starr said: Aretha for the 60s. I would've thought it'd be Diana. And for the 70s, wasn't it Olivia?
Lovett Posted April 29 Posted April 29 On 4/28/2024 at 4:05 PM, shyboi said: we all know Britney deserved but she is not active, if she was still active and releasing albums they would easily credit her What does her not being active in 2024 have to do with something they announced in 2009? Why would they magically credit her for something she didn't achieve 15 years later? 1
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