base talk Why does Beyoncé never sell as much as Taylor?

[verzden]

8 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

You listen to albums for dancing and performances?

Don't play cute. The OP brought up the tours.

 

Bey could sing all of Taylor's songs without breaking a sweat. Taylor couldn't even sing the first song on CC.

[landof0oo]

It boils down to what bey's songs are about. These days it revolves around celebrating black culture (love it), and touting/flaunting her own status and greatness (like apeshit). The latter is fine, but like some posters pointed out, not the most relatable listening experience for the gp.

 

If she continued making Sasha fierce type of songs she'd be way more popular but this is the new trajectory she slowly embarked on since self-titled. Lemonade was a masterpiece tho.

 

Taylor sings about heartbreak and relationships, which is a formula that sells since the beginning of time. People can relate to it.

Edited April 18 by landof0oo

[Nickimeetsatrl]

Just now, landof0oo said:

It boils down to what bey's songs are about. These days it revolves celebrating black culture (love it), and touting/flaunting her own status and greatness (like apeshit). The latter is fine, but like some posters pointed out, not the most relatable listening experience for the gp.

 

If she continued making Sasha fierce type of songs she'd be way more popular but this is the new trajectory she slowly embarked on since self-titled. Lemonade was a masterpiece tho.

one lyric of Taylor's recent single says "Karma is my cat"

[Devin]

4 minutes ago, thirdward said:

I was waiting for your comment the second I saw the post  

[Namie-Knowles]

42 minutes ago, The 1 said:

If race is the reason then all white woman should be selling more than Beyonce, according to your logic 

The slowness 

Edited April 18 by Namie-Knowles

[ontherocks]

18 minutes ago, Queenyoncee said:

Is the talent in the room with us?

 

 

You tell me 

 

 

[Armani?]

It's all about branding. Beyonce projects herself as similar to royalty & her talent & skills match that in her live performances & albums.

 

While Taylor gives more local blonde headed White girl from down the street owning 5 cats writing about her long list of bad boyfriends that did her wrong. 

 

Taylor's branding is more digestible in the current music climate with everyone trying to be relatable nowadays tbh. Taylor keeps this facade up even when being a Billionaire

[futuresuperstar2023]

I also peeped how other stans stay using fraud sales information/ Undercertified sales of beyonce to make her numbers as a solo artist seem low. Anybody with a lick of sense knew for years that Bey was undercertified by a lot. It took until 2022 for her to finally update her certifications. Mind you beyonce certifications that her team updated  was still undercertified.  At the end of the day we know Taylor Swift sold more records but she will never have the respect or talent that beyonce has. If T swift becomes a Vocalist out of thin air then I would take Y'all seriously. Other than that .......

[KingBeyonce.]

4 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

You tell me 

 

 

Lol do you really want to start comparing live performances? 

[Nickimeetsatrl]

If Beyoncé tries to act regular, there will be viral hate tweets saying "she don't know who she is" 😭

[Jon Snow]

there's one thing i can't take seriously, and that's when people try to say that Beyonce's music is bad or that Taylor Swift makes better music than Beyonce. like, we all have ears... they try to make Taylor look more talented, but i've never seen that anyone mention anything other than her songwriting, which is not even that good most of the time and sometimes even horrible ("karma is my cat" as mentioned above)

 

anyway, i'm ready for this thread to be closed. there's too much racism already

[dumbsparce]

Nothing Beyonce has done post-4 has been genuine. Like, I'm sure she never steps in the studio just to vibe and see what she can come up with. She collects her team and asks everyone for suggestions as to how she's gonna shock the world, or so she thinks, but you get the point. "oooohh, I'm gonna do country now. That will gag the girls. Yeehaww"

It hasn't been about the music for a very long time now and once the initial buzz regarding the gimmicks/shock value settles, you realize that's all there was to it.

[Devin]

11 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

You tell me 

 

 

 

lets stay on topic pls bc we all know VOCALS and live performances arent taylors specialty. 

[Donquizote]

In b4 "But iMPaCT" 

At least swifties have recipes to back up Taylor impact. 

The same cant be said to Beyonce stans

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, dumbsparce said:

Nothing Beyonce has done post-4 has been genuine. Like, I'm sure she never steps in the studio just to vibe and see what she can come up with. She collects her team and asks everyone for suggestions as to how she's gonna shock the world, or so she thinks, but you get the point. "oooohh, I'm gonna do country now. That will gag the girls. Yeehaww"

It hasn't been about the music for a very long time now and once the initial buzz regarding the gimmicks/shock value settles, you realize that's all there was to it.

have you read/listened to any of her lyrics post-4? you know why she went country, right? you know the point of RENAISSANCE? 

[PrudenceHCharmed]

Because more people can relate to Taylor singing about their exes and love songs than Beyoncé uplifting Black people and feminism? 

 

And Beyoncé doesn't have to sell as much as Taylor considering 80% of her peers and current artists couldn't do half what she does WITHOUT lifting a finger (Beyoncé just opened larger than SZA, Billie, Ariana, Olivia and all those TikTok artist). 

Edited April 19 by PrudenceHCharmed

[Armani?]

1 minute ago, Donquizote said:

In b4 "But iMPaCT" 

At least swifties have recipes to back up Taylor impact. 

The same cant be said to Beyonce stans

We really pretending Beyonce doesn't have verifiable impact?

[futuresuperstar2023]

2 hours ago, dumbsparce said:

Nothing Beyonce has done post-4 has been genuine. Like, I'm sure she never steps in the studio just to vibe and see what she can come up with. She collects her team and asks everyone for suggestions as to how she's gonna shock the world, or so she thinks, but you get the point. "oooohh, I'm gonna do country now. That will gag the girls. Yeehaww"

It hasn't been about the music for a very long time now and once the initial buzz regarding the gimmicks/shock value settles, you realize that's all there was to it.

Taylor Swift is the most calculating woman in the pop  industry ever. Y'all just say anything.

[Nickimeetsatrl]

1 minute ago, PrudenceHCharmed said:

Because more people can relate to Taylor singing about their exes and love songs than Beyoncé uplifting Black people and feminism? 

If that's the case then 99% of black rnb female artist should sell over 1M every album.

[futuresuperstar2023]

Beyonce left the basics alone after 4 and I'm glad she did. They couldn't appreciate an actual mature r&b album because of the obsession with electro pop music. I'm happy Bey stopped catering to boring Middle America. Taylor Swift being the most famous female pop star is hysterical but it shows how bland people are.

[dumbsparce]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

have you read/listened to any of her lyrics post-4? you know why she went country, right? you know the point of RENAISSANCE? 

Well exactly! There's always a "point" to what she does which I find extremely off-putting. The intention behind her albums overshadows the music itself.

[KingBeyonce.]

3 minutes ago, Donquizote said:

In b4 "But iMPaCT" 

At least swifties have recipes to back up Taylor impact. 

The same cant be said to Beyonce stans

How can't the same be said??  This is a woman who has multiple multi-platinum and #1 albums & singles that span across decades now. She is still being compared to artists who were infants or not even born when she debuted with DC4. Someone who is cited as an influence by multiple successful artists. Someone that the legends who came before her respected as well. Someone whose albums, tours, and projects garner critical acclaim. She has outlasted almost all of her peers ESPECIALLY her R&B peers and has continued to push the envelope even when she no longer needs to. The *receipts are there, yall are just too hateful and idiotic to be rational about it. 

[brenda-walsh]

she doesn't make safe, basic pop music that easily caters to the GP 

[verzden]

3 minutes ago, dumbsparce said:

Well exactly! There's always a "point" to what she does which I find extremely off-putting. The intention behind her albums overshadows the music itself.

I'm sorry, are you a Taylor Stan? Because what a ridiculous hypocritical comment if so. 

[PrudenceHCharmed]

4 minutes ago, brenda-walsh said:

she doesn't make safe, basic pop music that easily caters to the GP 

I mean American Requiem alone could turn people off from listening to the entire album. I WAS SCARED when I'm That Girl was the opener for RENAISSANCE.