toast Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Numbers: The # of people in Taylor's target genre/demographic is greater than the # of people in Beyonce's target genre/demographic. Culture: Race, racism, and differences in how they express their sexuality influence the target demographic #s, with a net benefit to Taylor. Strategy: Taylor's inoffensive (not derogatory) music makes it easy for her retain her existing fanbase, while consistently gaining new fans (kids). Beyonce's music usually tries to push the envelope in some way, which can alienate existing fans. 5
Dreajae Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Their fave is about to light their cheating ex up as she enters her mid-30s with another loser who won the Superbowl. White Middle America fantasies. And what do they do? Concern themselves with Beyonces career trajectory and making sure Bey's leaks get passed around and artistry shitted on. They're despicable and showcase their pathology all the time. 2
Navyboy20 Posted April 19 Posted April 19 6 minutes ago, dumbsparce said: yes bc that's exactly ehat she did Don't be offended when people call you low IQ then lol
Lose My Breath Posted April 19 Posted April 19 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Navyboy20 said: I really want everyone to integrate WHY a Black female singer can never achieve that is really ask yourself is the reason based on merit and ability? Only 3 Black Women have won AOTY in HISTORY. I guess Black women are just bad at making music right? This is the mindset of white middle America - you can't change it, they truly believe this stuff This is ALSO the answer to the OP Edited April 19 by Lose My Breath 2
Jon Snow Posted April 19 Posted April 19 1 hour ago, dumbsparce said: Nothing Beyonce has done post-4 has been genuine. Like, I'm sure she never steps in the studio just to vibe and see what she can come up with. She collects her team and asks everyone for suggestions as to how she's gonna shock the world, or so she thinks, but you get the point. "oooohh, I'm gonna do country now. That will gag the girls. Yeehaww" It hasn't been about the music for a very long time now and once the initial buzz regarding the gimmicks/shock value settles, you realize that's all there was to it. 52 minutes ago, dumbsparce said: Well exactly! There's always a "point" to what she does which I find extremely off-putting. The intention behind her albums overshadows the music itself. i do kinda get what you mean, but doesn't make much sense. it's okay if you don't enjoy it, but let's not act like Beyonce doesn't care about the art. she said it herself that she sees her job as an artist "to reflect the times". she has a mission. and it's okay if you don't like it or that it doesn't speak to you, but you can't say she doesn't enjoy it and doesn't care about music. if she didn't care, what she records wouldn't have so much layers and be complex as it is
shimind Posted April 19 Posted April 19 5 minutes ago, Navyboy20 said: I really want everyone to integrate WHY a Black female singer can never achieve that and really ask yourself is the reason based on merit and ability? Only 3 Black Women have won AOTY in HISTORY. I guess Black women are just bad at making music right? The same academy that said Macklemore & Ryan Lewis were the Best new artist over Kendrick Lamar and had the best Rap Album over Kendrick, Drake, J.Cole and Jay-Z all in one category. She could have won AOTY by making a relatable easy sounding album for once... all these artsy fartsy albums she has been making for a decade now all are good for collecting praises from critics but dont have much replay value. Which reflects in the streaming numbers. Yall have gassed her up thinking that making songs like Halo again will make her an inferior artist. 1
Jon Snow Posted April 19 Posted April 19 the amount of people in this thread that don't understand what Beyonce is doing or her music in general should be one of the answers to the OPs question. her music is too complex to the average person. they wanna have fun and relax to some basic music 1 1
dumbsparce Posted April 19 Posted April 19 2 minutes ago, Navyboy20 said: Don't be offended when people call you low IQ then lol Country music done by black artists was fine before Beyonce decided to appropriate or reclaim it. Who tf is she to take it upon herself to "reclaim" a genre she has absolutely nothing to do with? You don't hear these ridiculous claims coming from actual black country artists who have been doing country since the dawn of their career. You know why? Bc their music is genuine so they let it speak for itself. 2
Lose My Breath Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Just now, shimind said: She could have won AOTY by making a relatable easy sounding album for once... all these artsy fartsy albums she has been making for a decade now all are good for collecting praises from critics but dont have much replay value. Which reflects in the streaming numbers. Yall have gassed her up thinking that making songs like Halo again will make her an inferior artist. Yikes.... Thank GOD she doesn't stifle her creativity for "relatable easy sound albums". 2
Jon Snow Posted April 19 Posted April 19 1 minute ago, shimind said: She could have won AOTY by making a relatable easy sounding album for once... you mean I Am... Sasha Fierce?
TROJAN Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Taylor is actually talented, beautiful, and writes her own music, and she's relatable. 3
Jon Snow Posted April 19 Posted April 19 1 minute ago, dumbsparce said: Country music done by black artists was fine before Beyonce decided to appropriate or reclaim it. Who tf is she to take it upon herself to "reclaim" a genre she has absolutely nothing to do with? You don't hear these ridiculous claims coming from actual black country artists who have been doing country since the dawn of their career. You know why? Bc their music is genuine so they let it speak for itself. so, black people are allowed to do country music unless they point out the politics and racial issues behind it? and, if i'm not mistaken, you seem to be saying that black people should do country music only under the conditions you say are acceptable?
Xtina23 Posted April 19 Posted April 19 1 minute ago, TROJAN said: Taylor is actually talented, beautiful, and writes her own music, and she's relatable. agreed!
Lose My Breath Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Just now, dumbsparce said: Country music done by black artists was fine before Beyonce decided to appropriate or reclaim it. Who tf is she to take it upon herself to "reclaim" a genre she has absolutely nothing to do with? You don't hear these ridiculous claims coming from actual black country artists who have been doing country since the dawn of their career. You know why? Bc their music is genuine so they let it speak for itself. This take is not it. It's littered with subtle racist undertones. You realize that black artists are hardly EVER successful in country music? They're often ignored, especially the women. Why don't you give me a list of successful country artists who ARE black women? Who are you to say that Beyonce "appropriated" country music? We all know what you mean by that, she's black, and makes R&B music, so she mustn't know about country music, right?
ImpressMeMuch Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Your mother is releasing tonight and you're in here fighting a Kim Petras Stan instead of enjoying the night I think you lost
Lose My Breath Posted April 19 Posted April 19 3 minutes ago, Xtina23 said: agreed! Sis, you know I actually like you, but you're taking it a bit too far here
Navyboy20 Posted April 19 Posted April 19 3 minutes ago, dumbsparce said: Country music done by black artists was fine before Beyonce decided to appropriate or reclaim it. Who tf is she to take it upon herself to "reclaim" a genre she has absolutely nothing to do with? You don't hear these ridiculous claims coming from actual black country artists who have been doing country since the dawn of their career. You know why? Bc their music is genuine so they let it speak for itself. Actually it wasn't. Most of the Black country artists that acheieved success talked about racism experienced in the genre and the depression they experienced because of it. ESPECIALLY Black Women in country (See: Linda Martell). Quote Country music done by black artists was fine before Beyonce Really? You don't think it's odd that Beyonce is the FIRST AND ONLY Black woman to have a #1 country album, EVER? IN HISTORY??? That's fine to you????? 1 1
TROJAN Posted April 19 Posted April 19 2 hours ago, Jonver said: Beyoncé maked dated music, people forget about her music after a while. This is the harsh truth. It's a hard pill to swallow for the hive.
Xtina23 Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Just now, Lose My Breath said: Sis, you know I actually like you, but you're taking it a bit too far here I just agreed sis! Plus, your fanbase cost me my reaction privileges!! I'm the one who got hurt in this stan war! let's just say I've chosen sides!! efijewjkewdnfrojew 2
Lose My Breath Posted April 19 Posted April 19 1 minute ago, Navyboy20 said: Actually it wasn't. Most of the Black country artists that acheieved success talked about racism experienced in the genre and the depression they experienced because of it. ESPECIALLY Black Women in country (See: Linda Martell). Really? You don't think it's odd that Beyonce is the FIRST AND ONLY Black woman to have a #1 country album, EVER? IN HISTORY??? That's fine to you????? Or even a top 10 on the country chart, if I'm not mistaken?
dumbsparce Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Just now, Jon Snow said: so, black people are allowed to do country music unless they point out the politics and racial issues behind it? and, if i'm not mistaken, you seem to be saying that black people should do country music only under the conditions you say are acceptable? Where did I say any one that? I'm just pointing out how ridiculous and performative it is that the black roots of country music are only know being acknowledged after one of the biggest superstars on the planet decided to make country. Where were all these thinkpieces 5 months ago, last year, 5 or 10 years ago etc? Why did black country music need Beyonce to reclaim it when there have always been real black country artists out there preseving the roots of the genre but were paid dust by everyone. Don't you see how hypocritical that is? Beyonce didn't reclaim anything. The genre has always been alive and well. Y'all just didn't care for it before Beyonce told you to.
Lose My Breath Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Just now, Xtina23 said: I just agreed sis! Plus, your fanbase cost me my reaction privileges!! I'm the one who got hurt in this stan war! let's just say I've chosen sides!! efijewjkewdnfrojew I'm kinda sad they took your reaction privileges away Can Xtina23 get them back @ATRL Administration @ATRL Moderation Team ? 2
Lose My Breath Posted April 19 Posted April 19 (edited) 1 minute ago, dumbsparce said: Where did I say any one that? I'm just pointing out how ridiculous and performative it is that the black roots of country music are only know being acknowledged after one of the biggest superstars on the planet decided to make country. Where were all these thinkpieces 5 months ago, last year, 5 or 10 years ago etc? Why did black country music need Beyonce to reclaim it when there have always been real black country artists out there preseving the roots of the genre but were paid dust by everyone. Don't you see how hypocritical that is? Beyonce didn't reclaim anything. The genre has always been alive and well. Y'all just didn't care for it before Beyonce told you to. Ding Ding Ding..... You can't be this dense Edited April 19 by Lose My Breath 3
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