ATRL Moderator wehavetostan Posted May 7 ATRL Moderator Posted May 7 Quote Students were still more likely to say they support the pro-Palestininan encampments than oppose them. 45% said they support them either strongly or a little bit. 30% were neutral, and 24% were strongly or a bit opposed 4
GhostBox Posted May 7 Posted May 7 3 hours ago, Kassi said: So these results show what most believe. These protests are fine and most support them. But when they start getting violent, aggressive, or taking over buildings most disapprove of those actions.
ClashAndBurn Posted May 7 Posted May 7 3 minutes ago, GhostBox said: when they start getting violent, aggressive, or taking over buildings most disapprove of those actions None of this happened until police got called in and university admins escalated the issue because they want to ban protests from even occurring outright. 3 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 7 ATRL Moderator Posted May 7 4 hours ago, Kassi said: We don't justify the rationale of protests based on polls. Protesting against genocide is good because genocide is a bad thing, irrespective of its popularity. 7
Communion Posted May 8 Posted May 8 "Zadie Smith seems to struggle with this. She asks the audience to consider whether it is fair for a pro-Palestine student to call a Jewish student a Zionist, without once considering 1) whether the Jewish student is in fact a Zionist or 2) whether the student describing her as such is themselves Jewish, as so many pro-Palestine protestors are. Is the student called 'Zionist' uncomfortable because they've been mislabeled? If so, that's fair. Or, alternatively, had they been accurately identified as supporters of a Jewish ethno-state? Had they been unfairly judged, or are they just uncomfortable with the reality that the Overton Window is shifting, and more and more people are rejecting the Zionist project, which required and continues to require the violent ethnic cleansing of the Arab demographic majority from the region? If being called 'Zionist' creates cognitive dissonance in the young Zionist student, well, congratulations. It just might be that she has a conscience, telling her to examine whether the narrative she was sold as a youngster about her entitlement to a land on the other side of the world, from her own campus, is justified on the basis of her religion. When her classmates' relatives have been killed in the dozens so that she might have a 'right of return' to a land she may have never even visited. The student experiencing this cognitive dissonance isn't feeling unsafe. They're feeling guilty. And the solution could be to abandon their commitment to Zionism. The alternative is to abandon their conscience." SHE DON'T MISS! 3
Eric. Posted May 8 Posted May 8 These arrests are very much looking like War on Drugs/voter suppression by way of criminal record part 274.
Kassi Posted May 8 Posted May 8 15 hours ago, Bloo said: We don't justify the rationale of protests based on polls. Protesting against genocide is good because genocide is a bad thing, irrespective of its popularity. It would be nice if people stopped comparing the focused and coordinated Civil Rights Movement to this sprawling and misdirected uprising. This is probably the most tactically unsound and ill-executed protest movement in recent history. At least with BLM 2020, black activists could tap into the broader legacy of civil rights struggle, but there's no common string through any of the current spasm of leftist rioting other than "death to America". And apparently the way to achieve that is -checks notes- for universities to sell their Google, Microsoft, and Amazon stock. 5
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 8 ATRL Moderator Posted May 8 46 minutes ago, Kassi said: It would be nice if people stopped comparing the focused and coordinated Civil Rights Movement to this sprawling and misdirected uprising. This is probably the most tactically unsound and ill-executed protest movement in recent history. People like you literally say this about every current protest movement in history. It doesn’t matter what the protesters do or do not do. The script is always the same for the detractors. 6 2
Kassi Posted May 8 Posted May 8 26 minutes ago, Bloo said: People like you literally say this about every current protest movement in history. It doesn't matter what the protesters do or do not do. The script is always the same for the detractors. Wrong. Millions (1,000,000+) of Americans came out in support of the Women's March and BLM. It's this protest in particular that is uniquely unorganized and ineffective. What's the plan? Universities sell Google stock ? Palestine is freed Ok, well we know the first thing isn't going to happen. So maybe the goal is to raise awareness? Nope, looks like they're sucking oxygen out of Gaza reporting and instead centering themselves/their right to free speech. There are clear signs that the protest movement has lost control of the narrative. By definition, it cannot be a success. I don't know why it's so hard for some to see. 4
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 8 ATRL Moderator Posted May 8 12 minutes ago, Kassi said: Wrong. Millions (1,000,000+) of Americans came out in support of the Women's March and BLM. Okay? Both of those movements had detractors and those detractors said the exact same thing. That's the point that I wrote in plain English. Colin Kaepernick got blacklisted from the NFL for being disruptive by silently kneeling during the national anthem for BLM and countless detractors said, "I support the right to protest, but this is too disrespectful of the troops. He should find a more respectful way to protest." You're either willfully ignorant or intentionally daft to suggest otherwise. 4 2
Kassi Posted May 8 Posted May 8 In fact, it's becoming apparent that the college protests/encampments are actually gonna *help* Netanyahu by taking much of the media attention away from military operations while also scaring "law and order" voters into Trump's arms. And who does Netanyahu want in office: Trump or Biden? 1 7
ClashAndBurn Posted May 8 Posted May 8 What are they going to do? Assassinate foreign college students they disagree with on their own soil?
Kassi Posted May 8 Posted May 8 "Currently, UFSS does not have any direct investment in these areas." These protestors are so outclassed. Sac State ends the encampment by agreeing to do something it already did. Let us never ever put MLK and the Civil Rights Movement in the same breath as these dummies. 4
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