news 9 men sentenced to death by crucifixion and stoning for "sodomy" in Yemen

[Miss Show Business]

13 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Horrible, barabric - I hope against the odds that these poor men are able to have their sentences reduced to jail or at least a less medieval form of execution. There's no defending this.

 

Now onto the madness in this thread - I'll ignore the fact that the fact that the Biden-Houthis parallel is obviously ridiculous, let's take it at face value. 

 

People don't necessarily take issue with acknowledging when individual Houthi or Hamas actions might align with Palestinian interests - they take issue with the glorification, whitewashing, and heroising of the Houthis/Hamas when this foul **** is their actual reality. Yemen Yemen make has proud, glorifying Hamas violence, wearing their iconograohy, rampant Islamism apologia. Y'all ran in here just itching to do apologia as opposed to actually using your heads to think about our fellow gay men who are being brutalised by this regime.

 

An American leftist reluctantly voting for Joe Biden on one day is in no way the same as a leftist consistently lionising Islamist groups, attempting to launder their image, and do apologia for their actions. Yall can try and pretend this is not happening in Western leftist spaces at the moment, but you are lying to yourselves. The language of "Decolonisation" is consistently being used to reframe the violence of these groups away from what it actually is - which is angry right wing religious ideologues enacting their will.

[Redstreak]

10 minutes ago, Communion said:

The post you made was the full quote when you made it?

 

 

Let alone nothing you've added to the post makes sense. You still seem to think this random Yemeni teen is a pirate or a terrorist, when he is neither.

 

"Even if" - there is *AGAIN* no evidence to anything you believe. You literally are screeching at a brown teenager that you assume he is a terrorist.

"He poses online with guns" - Yemen has its own gun laws. May I direct you to photos of *politicians* in your own nation?

 

Certainly not the first post in your quote, and you quoted me minutes later when I edited as soon as I made the post 💀and what does the teen have to do with chants from American protestors glorifying Yemen

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[Jjang]

21 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Yeah hence why you probably shouldn't cover and whitewash them, I'm glad you agree

you also probably shouldn't use threads like this as a "gotcha" at Palestine supporters in times of a literal unfolding genocide. 

 

I've personally never seen anyone praise the Houthis for being anti-gay. I've never seen the "I'm gonna become violently homophobic now that I've expressed my support for their resistance" comments like you're making it out to be. Clearly, the vast majority of the mobs praising the Houthis resistance/support for the Palestinians as heroic are doing so under the context of them being the only (or one of the select few) country/group to take immediate action / sanction Israel / "walk the walk" as opposed to other Arab/Muslim states (who are also homophobic yet said group of people are hating them too, almost like they have nuance!) 

 

We've been taught about endless acts of resistance/armed groups throughout history but only now does the "but are they pro-gay and feminists?” question matters in this specific context. 

 

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[Jjang]

double post. 

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[Redstreak]

5 minutes ago, Jjang said:

you also probably shouldn't use threads like this as a "gotcha" at Palestine supporters in times of a literal unfolding genocide. 

 

I've personally never seen anyone praise the Houthis for being anti-gay. I've never seen the "I'm gonna become violently homophobic now that I've expressed my support for their resistance" comments like you're making it out to be. Clearly, the vast majority of the mobs praising the Houthis resistance/support for the Palestinians as heroic are doing so under the context of them being the only (or one of the select few) country/group to take immediate action / sanction Israel / "walk the walk" as opposed to other Arab/Muslim states (who are also homophobic yet said group of people are hating them, almost like they have nuance!) 

 

We've been taught about endless acts of resistance/armed groups throughout history but only now does the "but are they pro-gay and feminists?” question matters in this specific context. 

 

No actually I think this is an appropriate thread to remind people this is not a group to weirdly lionize

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

and what does the teen have to do with chants from American protestors glorifying Yemen

What does either 1) the Yemeni teen you assumed was an Islamist because he's brown or 2) the Houthi's rightfully supporting Palestine have to do with being gay in Yemen?

 

You're doing all this.. for what? To help Joe Biden? But you're essentially arguing morals CAN'T be nuanced and complex.

 

If Palestinians can't be trusted to ally with Houthis (or Hamas) because "they'll just become Islamists like these groups", that's.. literally the argument for why American leftists would have doubts about allying with right-wing "moderates" like Joe Biden because doing so just moves America right-ward anyway. 

 

The same nuance you're asking people to give to Joe Biden is one you're demanding people who quite literally can die at anytime not have for themselves. 

 

You literally have Palestinian members telling you you're cynically trying to use homophobia within Muslim nations for your political cause at their expense:

7 minutes ago, Jjang said:

you also probably shouldn't use threads like this as a "gotcha" at Palestine supporters in times of a literal unfolding genocide. 

 

I've personally never seen anyone praise the Houthis for being anti-gay. I've never seen the "I'm gonna become violently homophobic now that I've expressed my support for their resistance" comments like you're making it out to be. Clearly, the vast majority of the mobs praising the Houthis resistance/support for the Palestinians as heroic are doing so under the context of them being the only (or one of the select few) country/group to take immediate action / sanction Israel / "walk the walk" as opposed to other Arab/Muslim states (who are also homophobic yet said group of people are hating them, almost like they have nuance!) 

 

We've been taught about endless acts of resistance/armed groups throughout history but only now does the "but are they pro-gay and feminists?” question matters in this specific context. 

 

 

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[Redstreak]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

What does either 1) the Yemeni teen you assumed was an Islamist because he's brown

You tell me man, you brought him up 

 

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

If Palestinians can't be trusted to ally with Houthis (or Hamas) because "they'll just become Islamists like these groups", that's.. literally the argument for why American leftists would have doubts about allying with right-wing "moderates" like Joe Biden because doing so just moves America right-ward anyway. 

Literally everyone can read my posts in this thread where I've explicitly said the Palestinians should ally with whoever they can

 

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

You literally have Palestinian members telling you you're cynically trying to use homophobia within Muslim nations for your political cause at their expense:

This is a bit cynical and disingenuous posturing even for you 💀idpol doesn't do much for me

[Jjang]

4 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

No actually I think this is an appropriate thread to remind people this is not a group to weirdly lionize

ok then where are these said people? Show me all the tweets celebrating this. 

[Redstreak]

Just now, Jjang said:

ok then where are these said people? Show me all the tweets celebrating this. 

Your last post was a whole essay waxing about the focus of the one thing as if it counteracts literally the entirety of everything else they do. There are videos of Americans chanting "Yemen Yemen"

[Communion]

Just now, Redstreak said:

You tell me man, you brought him up 

Your post on the first page did. Would it simply be more effective for everyone's sanity to instead  report your post for being off topic and petition for a section ban?

 

1 minute ago, Redstreak said:

idpol

"idpol" - the person you're quoting literally lives in Jerusalem.  The material conditions of someone under threat of a fascist regime is not "idpol". 

[Chiidish]

48 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

All I'm going to say is... When push comes to shove, we will remember all of the ones who defended the Houthis, especially when **** like this comes to light.

 

The ridiculousness of bending yourself into a pretzel with paragraphs defending them when you can simply denounce this and be done with it.

 

I would hope this energy is applied to people who could have simply denounced this… without conflating support of Palestinians in the face of genocide as being the equivalent of supporting state sanctioned hate crimes and murder. 

[Redstreak]

Just now, Chiidish said:

I would hope this energy is applied to people who could have simply denounced this… without conflating support of Palestinians in the face of genocide as being the equivalent of supporting state sanctioned hate crimes and murder. 

Who has done this, please quote them

[Redstreak]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

Your post on the first page did. Would it simply be more effective for everyone's sanity to instead  report your post for being off topic and petition for a section ban?

 

"idpol" - the person you're quoting literally lives in Jerusalem.  The material conditions of someone under threat of a fascist regime is not "idpol". 

My first post specifically talked about Hasan, I can't speak on what you attach to that

 

and your specific post to me was idpol, not them

[If U Seek Amy]

Disgusting government to treat its people this way. 

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

My first post specifically talked about Hasan

Yes, Hasan, who you chided for interviewing a Yemeni teen and framed as "praising Islamists" because you assumed a brown 19-year-old was inherently a barbaric terrorist because he's a citizen of Yemen. 

 

What do you think will help accelerate gay rights in Yemen more - Joe Biden bombing the country or Americans online calling all Yemeni men terrorists for having facial hair? 

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[Virgos Groove]

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

All I'm going to say is... When push comes to shove, we will remember all of the ones who defended the Houthis, especially when **** like this comes to light.

If this genocide is ever averted, I think we're far more likely to remember people like you: the ones who sat on the fence while a genocide was hapenning, constantly hand-wringing about the ideology of one of the few allies of the victims, while remaining suspiciously quiet about the crimes of the genociders.

 

You are the modern-day equivalent of the people who, despite claiming to "despise apartheid", refused to support Mandela and the oppressed people of South Africa because their movement wasn't "perfect" or because they used violence to achieve their goals, as if the white autothorities didn't use violence every day of apartheid rule.

 

You are the 21st century version of losers who, as Jewish people were being killed by the millions in concentration camps, were "concerned" about the violence in the Warsaw Ghetto.

 

You are the white moderate MLK was talking about: spineless, pedantic, and constantly on the wrong side of history.

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[Redstreak]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

Yes, Hasan, who you chided for interviewing a Yemeni teen

The interview is not the only time hasan has talked about the Houthi actions in the Red Sea, I cannot answer to things you add to my post

 

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

as "praising Islamists"

Quotations on a statement I have never said

 

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

What do you think will help accelerate gay rights in Yemen - Joe Biden bombing the country or Americans online calling all Yemeni men terrorists for having facial hair? 

I don't even know what I'm supposed to do with any of this

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[MatiRod]

No religion, set of beliefs, cult, etc. ever, EVER, period, excuses violent homophobia. I will never apologize for defending the safety and rights of gay men all around the world or for condemning barbaric medieval evil things like gay men being put to death like what's happening in the OP article. I urge all my fellow gay men with dignity and pride in who they are to follow suit. Never let ANYONE for ANY reason tell you that this is something you should turn a blind eye to.

[Jjang]

20 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Your last post was a whole essay waxing about the focus of the one thing as if it counteracts literally the entirety of everything else they do. There are videos of Americans chanting "Yemen Yemen"

and your first post was a passive aggressive off topic remark vilifying pro-Palestine supporters by stripping them away from common context and nuance. 

 

Keep pretending like you missed the point. The actual group of people you took an issue with is probably a tiny minority.  

 

No one's anti-gay here. We're all ******* gay. Why would we actively want to kill ourselves? use your brain. This news is horrible for everyone. 

 

You can go trying to break the fifth wall "politically" in more respectful ways. This just comes off as bad faith. esp. during a genocide. 

 

Anyway hope the Houthis keep blocking more ships! 

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[Peroxide]

Being queer in the Middle East must be utterly terrifying. These poor, poor people.

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[rhaenyra]

Some people say Papa J will reign down from the heavens to act judgment on us all, others say it's the celestial body we occupy that will ruin us, but in all actuality, it is the religious zealots that will bring upon our untimely destruction 

[rhaenyra]

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[Miss Show Business]

12 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

If this genocide is ever averted, I think we're far more likely to remember people like you: the ones who sat on the fence while a genocide was hapenning, constantly hand-wringing about the ideology of one of the few allies of the victims, while remaining suspiciously quiet about the crimes of the genociders.

 

You are the modern-day equivalent of the people who, despite claiming to "despise apartheid", refused to support Mandela and the oppressed people of South Africa because their movement wasn't "perfect" or because they used violence to achieve their methods, as if the white autothorities didn't use violence every day of apartheid rule.

 

You are the 21st century of version of losers who, as Jewish people were being killed by the millions in concentration camps, were "concerned" about the violence in the Warsaw Ghetto.

 

You are the white moderate MLK was talking about: spineless, pedantic, and constantly on the wrong side of history.

The most I've done to be "on the fence" the situation in Israel is say that I'm unsure of if what is happening in Israel is severe enough to be called a genocide. Not because I don't believe it not capable of happening, but I'm just unsure and think it's too early to tell. I certainly do not trust Hamas provided statistics. Do I think it's possible Israel has committed war crimes? 100%, and I've never said a single time on this forum or elsewhere that I believe Israel to be an innocent party in this.

 

What pisses me off, is downplaying and denial of the events of October 7, the anti Israel and "Israel doesn't deserve to exist" rhetoric, the sugar coating and praising of terroristic groups, bullying and belittling Jewish people for voicing THEIR experiences and concerns, bullying and belittling other users on this forum, Etc.

 

Believe me, if it does come out that Israel's crimes amount to genocide, we "white moderates" (I'm not even a moderate, still left wing) will join the chorus of condemnations.

 

What we won't forget? Is you all downplaying and basically praising known terrorist groups. You can't take that back or apologize for it.

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[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Aethereal said:

Not you comparing voting for Biden with supporting Houthis.  (perhaps you view voting for Biden worse)

 

And Palestinians can choose Fatah for that matter. 

 

Fatah are complicit with Israel and do nothing to stop the settler violence in the West Bank as it is. There's a reason nobody trusts the Palestinian Authority and have nowhere else to turn. They are already legitimately viewed as an American puppet regime, and if they're fully instated after Israel eradicates Hamas (which isn't happening, btw), that perception will only get stronger.

 

1 hour ago, Redstreak said:

A little sick to try and propagandize that a Jewish man is secretly leading an army of neo nazis

Ukraine being a country that holds special reverence for Nazis is not a secret. In fact it is very well-documented and they literally have a national holiday dedicated to Stepan Bandera whom the Jewish president venerates as a hero.

 

1 hour ago, Reginald said:

I mean, Donald "Muslim Ban" Trump literally told Israel to "finish the job," a few days ago

So did Nikki Haley, whose voters Joe Biden is working way harder to court than he is with reluctant progressives who are disgusted with his relentless and enthusiastic support of Bibi Netanyahu's far right government.

[Redstreak]

8 minutes ago, Jjang said:

and your first post was a passive aggressive off topic remark vilifying pro-Palestine supporters by stripping them away from common context and nuance. 

 

Keep pretending like you missed the point. The actual group of people you took an issue with is probably a tiny minority.  

 

No one's anti-gay here. We're all ******* gay. Why would we actively want to kill ourselves? use your brain. This news is horrible for everyone. 

 

You can go trying to break the fifth wall "politically" in more respectful ways. This just comes off as bad faith. esp. during a genocide. 

 

Anyway hope the Houthis keep blocking more ships! 

It wasn't off topic in the slightest, did not mention Palestine, merely a retort about certain people who are off the mark with their Yemen/houthi positions, the group this topic is about. People bringing up Ukraine and the war have done the pulling away from the topic of the Houthis actions. You can disagree with me being snarky but it was unequivocally on topic.

Edited March 31 by Redstreak