news 9 men sentenced to death by crucifixion and stoning for "sodomy" in Yemen

[State of Grace.]

Of course the braindead "yall support Houthis" takes made their way here. Like clockwork..

 

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, Reginald said:

I mean, Donald "Muslim Ban" Trump literally told Israel to "finish the job," a few days ago

Re-read the sentence again. Even now, the harm you can think of is... what Trump would do to those *outside* of America. Because even under the shadow of a Republican presidency, even the most marginalized Americans still possess relative privilege over those outside their borders who their armies drop massive bombs on.

 

The point is that it's completely hypocritical to try and make the politics of other nations somehow the burden of Palestinians, who are an occupied people essentially without a government. There is effectively already a one state with Israel controlling all aspects of life in Gaza or the West Bank.

 

The "But Biden isn't as harmful as the Houthis" retort that tries to defend this Western paternalism doesn't work because, in the inverse, Trump isn't as harmful as Bibi. Americans will never have to be faced with the kind of extreme threats of danger those within the Global South often have to face, often by virtue of the foreign policy of America. Even the real, horrific evil of Trump still does not pose the same kind of reality and harm that a Palestinian person faces under a nation that does not want it to exist.

 

That anyone even thought to make the topic of homophobia in Yemen about Israel & Palestine - the people who originally did so doing it on the side of Israel - is so... crude. 

Edited March 30 by Communion

[Redstreak]

Just now, Virgos Groove said:

Ukraine relying on neo-Nazi militias (which has been reported by plenty of mainstream outlets like the NYT) and having a Jewish leader are... not mutually exclusive.

Ukraine sending one singular battalion of nazis as front line cannon fodder sounds fairly based to me. If the miniscule numbers of the Azov renders a whole country an army of nazis then that applies to about every country in existence, lord knows the American military and police forces have mountains of them

[Virgos Groove]

5 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Ukraine sending one singular battalion of nazis as front line cannon fodder sounds fairly based to me.

So you agree that an invaded people have to work with what they have and can't afford to be picky about who they choose as allies? And that equating that with all-out endorsement of said ideologies is fallacious and reductive?

 

Edited March 30 by Virgos Groove

[Redstreak]

Just now, Virgos Groove said:

So you agree that an invaded people have to work with what they have and can't afford to be picky about who they choose as allies?

 

I mean yeah, where the Palestinians currently are at they should probably ally with anyone they can, American college students however would probably be better off not vocally chanting it

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Hasan is a Palestinian?

,...are you talking about the TikTok teen Hasan Piker interviewed?  Is this 19-year-old a government official within the de-facto Houthi government in Yemen?

 

Can you state what high-ranking position he holds within the government, which would be the only way you could mentally link *random Yemeni teenager* with the government's actions? Should no one interview Ukrainian citizens because we should assume they're all antisemitic due to historical and present antisemitism within the Ukrainian government?

 

Surely you know it takes a bit of racist derangement to somehow weave this "I just know the average Yemeni teen hates gays and thus Gazans should die" web, right?

 

[Twixters]

22 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

Oh, now y'all care about discrimination and people being killed... Where is this energy for the Palestinian people who are victims of a GENOCIDE?

Ummm you can be anti genocide and anti Yemen as well lol

 

i understjad Palestine has no choice but to align with whoever in the hell would help them cause they are backed into a wall but doesn't mean I'm pro Yemen just for that one issue. 

[Redstreak]

Just now, Communion said:

,...are you talking about the TikTok teen Hasan Piker interviewed?  Is this 19-year-old a government official within the de-facto Houthi government in Yemen?

 

Can you state what high-ranking position he holds within the government, which would be the only way you could mentally link *random Yemeni teenager* with the government's actions? Should no one interview Ukrainian citizens because we should assume they're all antisemitic due to historical and present antisemitism within the Ukrainian government?

 

Surely you know it takes a bit of racist derangement to somehow weave this "I just know the average Yemeni teen hates gays and thus Gazans should die" web, right?

 

Once again you don't not have to in fact hand it to the Houthis, they are not cute One Piece anime characters

 

not to mention the American protests where there were cheer chants for Yemen just land you with an optics nightmare as the rest of their actions are still gonna be like the ones in the OP. Houthis aren't going to stop what they're doing in the Red Sea because of discourse but you certainly don't have to give yourself bad optics in the process

[Communion]

Just now, Redstreak said:

you don't not have to in fact hand it to the Houthis

This man is not "a Houthi" - which is a government party within Yemen one has to be a member of.

 

He's a Yemeni teenage influencer who was visiting an abandoned American ship that Houthis had captured months ago and which is now an "attraction" floating in the Red Sea to young people in Yemen. Not every brown man you see is a "terrorist", for ****'s sake. 

 

Do you think this kind of reactionary rhetoric where you see all Yemeni men - even young boys - as terrorists makes it safer to be gay in Yemen?

 

 

[Redstreak]

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

,...are you talking about the TikTok teen Hasan Piker interviewed?  Is this 19-year-old a government official within the de-facto Houthi government in Yemen?

 

Can you state what high-ranking position he holds within the government, which would be the only way you could mentally link *random Yemeni teenager* with the government's actions? Should no one interview Ukrainian citizens because we should assume they're all antisemitic due to historical and present antisemitism within the Ukrainian government?

 

Surely you know it takes a bit of racist derangement to somehow weave this "I just know the average Yemeni teen hates gays and thus Gazans should die" web, right?

 

Plus I can't imagine the discourse if some hot TikTok IDF in mandatory service teen was given an interview like this from a big streamer 💀

[Redstreak]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

This man is not "a Houthi" - which is a government party within Yemen one has to be a member of.

 

He's a Yemeni teenage influencer who was visiting an abandoned American ship that Houthis had captured months ago and which is now an "attraction" floating in the Red Sea to young people in Yemen. Not every brown man you see is a "terrorist", for ****'s sake. 

 

Do you think this kind of reactionary rhetoric where you see all Yemeni men - even young boys - as terrorists makes it safer to be gay in Yemen?

 

 

Question who's doing the hijacking in the Red Sea, and my guy was literally photographed with a military grade weapon and saying death to Jews

 

and even if he isn't a Houthi, you still do not have to in fact hand it to the houthis, let's not pretend the chants for Yemen are about this guy lol

 

and that ship had not been captured months ago when he was there, it had literally just started its blockade

Edited March 30 by Redstreak

[Miss Show Business]

All I'm going to say is... When push comes to shove, we will remember all of the ones who defended the Houthis, especially when **** like this comes to light.

 

The ridiculousness of bending yourself into a pretzel with paragraphs defending them when you can simply denounce this and be done with it.

 

[bliaz]

Demonic 

[Virgos Groove]

We could sit here and debate the perfect Palestinian movement, with the perfect actions and the perfect allies, but that's just not reality, is it? No war is perfect. At the end of the day, this is what we're faced with:

• The Palestinians, who are the victims of a genocide.
• The State of Israel, who is commiting said genocide.

To use WW2 as comparison: The Red Army commited mass rapes, the Americans had concentration camps, the Brits... we could sit here all day and talk about they did.

 

But would any of you say: "I could support the allies, but Churchill's policies are bad and homossexuality isn't legal in the USSR, so instead I'm gonna spend all my time complaining about this while the Nazis commit multiple genocides.". Would you say that? Would you respect anyone who said that? OF COURSE NOT.

 

I hate to use a Facebook-level quote, but it really sums up the situation:

 

[Communion]

12 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

some hot TikTok IDF 

You went from worse to worser.  

 

12 minutes ago, Communion said:

This man is not "a Houthi" - which is a government party within Yemen one has to be a member of.

 

He's a Yemeni teenage influencer -

 

11 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Question who's doing the hijacking in the Red Sea

You're not gonna convince anyone that Israeli teenagers thinking they have a religious divine right to purge the Gaza Strip of "the Seeds of Amalek" is the same as Yemeni teenagers thinking it's cool there's an abandoned Western ship that was previously full of weapons meant to go to a country they're at war with. 

 

Let alone - again - what does Israel's genocide in Palestine have to do with being gay in Yemen? 

 

If one should reject being anti-Zionist because some Muslim nations are anti-gay, what makes that different than the argument made by religious conservatives in places like Yemen that people should reject accepting being LGBT because many pro-LGBT nations are pro-Zionist?

[Redstreak]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

You went from worse to worser.  

 

 

You're not gonna convince anyone that Israeli teenagers thinking they have a religious divine right to purge the Gaza Strip of "the Seeds of Amalek" is the same as Yemeni teenagers thinking it's cool there's an abandoned Western ship that was previously full of weapons meant to go to a country they're at war with. 

 

Let alone - again - what does Israel's genocide in Palestine have to do with being gay in Yemen? 

 

If one should reject being anti-Zionist because some Muslim nations are anti-gay, what makes that different than the argument made by religious conservatives in places like Yemen that people should reject accepting being LGBT because many pro-LGBT nations are pro-Zionist?

any chance you could use the actual full quotes? A little weird to argue from positions I literally cover in the parts you cut off 

Edited March 30 by Redstreak

[Aethereal]

22 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

So you agree that an invaded people have to work with what they have and can't afford to be picky about who they choose as allies? And that equating that with all-out endorsement of said ideologies is fallacious and reductive?

 

Armies attract nationalists and few bad apples will turn out to be Neo-Nazis in almost every single army.

The problem is that those organizations find support far beyond Palestine, even in regions there is no invasion. There is definitely something alarming that needs be fixed.

 

However, I understand that the OP has a certain history regarding Palestinian crisis, so this thread was likely made for a certain reason correlated with the Gaza situation. 

 

About the Christian religion, unlike the Torah/Old Testament or Talmud and Islamic Qur'an or Hadiths. The new testament has, thankfully, received  influence from Greco-Roman civilisation which abolished the death penalty for gays and gave women more rights which gave the West a chance to improve those horrific medieval laws. Islam is definitely a bigger challenge.  

[Jjang]

5 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Plus I can't imagine the discourse if some hot TikTok IDF in mandatory service teen was given an interview like this from a big streamer 💀

they'd be bragging about all the kids they shot in the hea- oop already happened a dozen times (and they weren't hot) 

 

and nothing happened. In fact, they have been loud and proud about brutalizing Palestinians on social media since the day social media began. But they never got the "terrorist" tag. 

 

Anyway, no one is asking you to blindly support the Houthis. But their active support for Palestine is commendable. The teen Hasan interviewed that bothered you so much doesn't go around hunting gays everyday after breakfast either so chill. 

[Redstreak]

Just now, Jjang said:

they'd be bragging about all the kids they shot in the hea- oop already happened a dozen times (and they weren't hot) 

 

and nothing happened. In fact, they have been loud and proud about brutalizing Palestinians on social media since the day social media began. But they never got the "terrorist" tag. 

 

Anyway, no one is asking you to blindly support the Houthis. But their active support for Palestine is commendable. The teen Hasan interviewed that bothered you so much doesn't go around hunting gays everyday after breakfast either so chill. 

Yeah hence why you probably shouldn't cover and whitewash them, I'm glad you agree

[Harrier]

Horrible, barbaric - I hope against the odds that these poor men are able to have their sentences reduced to jail or at least a less medieval form of execution. There's no defending this.

 

Now onto the madness in this thread - I'll ignore the fact that the fact that the Biden-Houthis parallel is obviously ridiculous, let's take it at face value. 

 

People don't necessarily take issue with acknowledging when individual Houthi or Hamas actions might align with Palestinian interests - they take issue with the glorification, whitewashing, and heroising of the Houthis/Hamas when this foul **** is their actual reality. Yemen Yemen make us proud, glorifying Hamas violence, wearing their iconography, rampant Islamism apologia. Y'all ran in here just itching to do apologia as opposed to actually using your heads to think about our fellow gay men who are being brutalised by this regime.

 

An American leftist reluctantly voting for Joe Biden on one day is in no way the same as a leftist consistently lionising Islamist groups, attempting to launder their image, and do apologia for their actions. Yall can try and pretend this is not happening in Western leftist spaces at the moment, but you are lying to yourselves. The language of "Decolonisation" is consistently being used to reframe the violence of these groups away from what it actually is - which is angry right wing religious ideologues enacting their will.

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

any chance you could use the actual full quotes? A little weird to argue from positions I literally cover in the parts you cut off 

The post you made was the full quote when you made it?

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Edited 16 minutes ago by Redstreak

 

 

Let alone nothing you've added to the post makes sense. You still seem to think this random Yemeni teen is a pirate or a terrorist, when he is neither.

27 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

and even if he isn't a Houthi

He's even been quoted that as he, as a random teen, feels Yemeni Jews should be allowed to return to Yemen.

 

27 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

and that ship had not been captured months ago when he was there

"Even if" - there is *AGAIN* no evidence to anything you believe. You literally are screeching at a brown teenager that you assume he is a terrorist.

"He poses online with guns" - Yemen has its own gun laws. May I direct you to photos of *politicians* in your own nation?

Edited March 30 by Communion

[ontherocks]

The lengths that some of you go just to get away from the actual topic

 

Rest in peace to the victims 

[thesegayz]

Yikes @Communion go back to the civics threads, the rest of ATRL doesn't care about your strawman arguments. Just say you hate gays and liberal democracy and call it a day. 
 

this is horrific, but what do you expect when you let a terrorist organization poisoned with Radical Islam run a country. 

[St. Charles]

A lot of cope and mental gymnastics in this thread.

 

OT: Absolutely disgusting and abhorrent practices.

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Y'all ran in here just itching

The literal first posts to be off-topic:

1 hour ago, Redstreak said:

I was told the houthis were peace liberators by certain streamers recently?

 

1 hour ago, VOSS said:

This is why a clean break with the "Yemen Yemen make us proud" folks is necessary.