I don’t think someone’s whose song can spend days atop Spotify is over as a hitmaker. 
 

She may not be able to snatch #1s off of hype alone, but the industry shouldn’t really operate that way anyway. 

You'd think she was n/a on all metrics based on threads like this. She's been #1 on Global Spotify since release 

21 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Her career in my mind has some parallels to Rihanna in that regard which is certainly not a bad comparison at all.  

The comparisons start and end with them both being pop hitmakers who can seamlessly adapt to trends hence why both were able to score hits during the dance-pop/EDM era and the hip-hop dominant era.  Rihanna was never a big debut girl or has the fanbase Ariana does. "The Way" debuted in the top 10 in 2013 and all of Ariana leads have debuted in the top 10 since she arrived on the scene. The Way #10, Problem #2, Focus #7 (lol), DW #8, NTLTC #3, TUN #1, Positions #1, yes,and? #1 (predicted*). Rihanna only has 2 #1 albums out of 8. Ariana has 5 #1 albums with only DW not reaching #1 (#2 blocked by Drake's Views in 2016). Yours Truly debuted #1 in 2013 with 138k first week and she was a random Nickelodeon girl with only one top 10 hit at the time. 

 

Rihanna is also generally well-liked among the GP and isn't a polarizing figure among the public. Ariana is more of a polarizing figure because she has a large hardcore fanbase that creates the existence of haters in response to that. I think the closest comparison to Rihanna is Dua but Dua is no where near Rihanna's hit making record. 

Edited January 19, 20242 yr by Tm4074

She is not an album seller either. Her last album didn't debut even with 200k while her fans were claiming she's the biggest popstar in the world

Ariana singles released this decade:

 

Rain On Me: #1

SWU: #1

Positions: #1

34+35: #2

SYT: #1

DFY: #1

yes, And?: #1-2

 

 

1 minute ago, Tm4074 said:

The comparisons start and end with them both being pop hitmakers who can seamlessly adapt to trends hence why both were able to score hits during the dance-pop/EDM era and the hip-hop dominant era. 

Pretty big comparison if you ask me. 

Yeah, and she hasn’t had said abilities for a while now 

Ariana, just like every other pop girlie is obviously past her prime, which is not unheard of. We all know how the industry treats women after they hit a new peak in their careers (obv we have exceptions like madonna, taylor, and beyoncé).

Also the homewrecking drama really stained her reputation and popularity, and her releasing a song like yes, and? didn't help her out of this situation at all. 

 

she's actually very powerful. for a song that did not catch fire to go #2 effortlessly is pretty amazing.

Atrl truly is dumb 

8 minutes ago, honestopinion said:

She is not an album seller either. Her last album didn't debut even with 200k while her fans were claiming she's the biggest popstar in the world

she is factually one of the biggest pop stars in the world currently.

27 minutes ago, Communion said:

"Points" doesn't actually say anything unless evaluated against each time period's Billboard formula and what the average song does in points though. The pandemic literally halved what radio airplay was valued in points. 

 

5 years ago, you'd need like 40M audience impressions to be Top 20 on pop radio, while now you can do that with less than 20M. What do you think happens then to these points if the components that make them up fundamentally change?

 

Measuring what points are doesn't actually say anything about Ariana in particular if the average points of the Top 10 - for example - have been on a gradual decline for 4 years due to music consumption diversifying. 

Does that mean that Anti Hero debuting with over 600 points actually was a 1200+ points hit single? Damn.... What a monster hit. 

3 hours ago, She-Rah said:

Her image is tarnished beyond repair, she’s lost her youthful looks/beauty plus she’s older now and she never truly established a solid fan base she was just the it girl during like 2 years but the GP has moved on.

her first Top 10 hit was 10+ years ago and since then, she has consistently been churning out a string of Top 10 and #1 hits but okay

It's not doing that bad considering this was a genre shift and most of her previous #1 hits were more R&B-leaning and the GP got used to that

48 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Does that mean that Anti Hero debuting with over 600 points actually was a 1200+ points hit single? Damn.... What a monster hit. 

To figure that out, you'd probably have to find the average % difference between #1 and #2 and and how such has changed overtime. Like 300 points is not just 300 points if #2 is only 50% of that, as that indicates the proportion of the chart and how music is currently being consumed- and how much more a #1 song is or is not being consumed more than all the others below at the time. 

 

What was the points for #2 for all the weeks Anti-Hero was #1 (and AH's points) vs something like Easy On Me's or 7 Rings' points versus their % lead over their respective #2's, #3's, etc? This is all data math need stuff though to be clear. 

I can't wait for this thread to age like milk. The backfiring of the Witness/Positions threads was peak entertainment on here. 

Edited January 19, 20242 yr by Tm4074

No, she just released new versions to try the #1 debut (as A LOT OF ARTISTS did in the past, such as Taylor)

 

Jack's song is with a lot of airplay and Ariana didn't have that much.

And the OG song is losing streams on streaming platforms because of the versions that were put on a album (which are diluting the streams)

 

She's doing great, actually.

Delusion the thread

Nah. She just needs to release a song that isn't trash and she'll be fine!

Points comparison makes no sense, in reality yes, and? outdid positions by far

 

yes, and? 

12.9M streams on Spotify US 1st week

over 50k sales in the US

around 28M paid streams first in week in the US

53.8M first week Spotify WW

Over 100M WW first week (predicted)

71k units first week in the US 

 

positions

11.8M streams on Spotify US 1st week

33k sales first week 

27M paid streams in the US first week

41M Spotify WW first week

58k units in the UK first week

 

according to you positions was during Ariana’s hitmaker status, and y,a? outdid sooo

27 minutes ago, Gerardo said:

Points comparison makes no sense, in reality yes, and? outdid positions by far

 

yes, and? 

12.9M streams on Spotify US 1st week

over 50k sales in the US

around 28M paid streams first in week in the US

53.8M first week Spotify WW

Over 100M WW first week (predicted)

71k units first week in the US 

 

positions

11.8M streams on Spotify US 1st week

33k sales first week 

27M paid streams in the US first week

41M Spotify WW first week

58k units in the UK first week

 

according to you positions was during Ariana’s hitmaker status, and y,a? outdid sooo

Spotify's active listener count has increased A LOT since 2020.

51 minutes ago, TheHanyo said:

Spotify's active listener count has increased A LOT since 2020.

And 54M streams is more than 41M, or am I missing something?

The next single may be a smash and some of y'all will end up looking like clowns  

Yes, she can try again in a few years.