Rotunda Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I don’t think someone’s whose song can spend days atop Spotify is over as a hitmaker. She may not be able to snatch #1s off of hype alone, but the industry shouldn’t really operate that way anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glitch Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 You'd think she was n/a on all metrics based on threads like this. She's been #1 on Global Spotify since release 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tm4074 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 21 minutes ago, byzantium said: Her career in my mind has some parallels to Rihanna in that regard which is certainly not a bad comparison at all. The comparisons start and end with them both being pop hitmakers who can seamlessly adapt to trends hence why both were able to score hits during the dance-pop/EDM era and the hip-hop dominant era. Rihanna was never a big debut girl or has the fanbase Ariana does. "The Way" debuted in the top 10 in 2013 and all of Ariana leads have debuted in the top 10 since she arrived on the scene. The Way #10, Problem #2, Focus #7 (lol), DW #8, NTLTC #3, TUN #1, Positions #1, yes,and? #1 (predicted*). Rihanna only has 2 #1 albums out of 8. Ariana has 5 #1 albums with only DW not reaching #1 (#2 blocked by Drake's Views in 2016). Yours Truly debuted #1 in 2013 with 138k first week and she was a random Nickelodeon girl with only one top 10 hit at the time. Rihanna is also generally well-liked among the GP and isn't a polarizing figure among the public. Ariana is more of a polarizing figure because she has a large hardcore fanbase that creates the existence of haters in response to that. I think the closest comparison to Rihanna is Dua but Dua is no where near Rihanna's hit making record. Edited January 19 by Tm4074 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestopinion Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 She is not an album seller either. Her last album didn't debut even with 200k while her fans were claiming she's the biggest popstar in the world 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclefloprry Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Ariana singles released this decade: Rain On Me: #1 SWU: #1 Positions: #1 34+35: #2 SYT: #1 DFY: #1 yes, And?: #1-2 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byzantium Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, Tm4074 said: The comparisons start and end with them both being pop hitmakers who can seamlessly adapt to trends hence why both were able to score hits during the dance-pop/EDM era and the hip-hop dominant era. Pretty big comparison if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoOneDiesFromLove Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Yeah, and she hasn’t had said abilities for a while now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightsAtPeace Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Ariana, just like every other pop girlie is obviously past her prime, which is not unheard of. We all know how the industry treats women after they hit a new peak in their careers (obv we have exceptions like madonna, taylor, and beyoncé). Also the homewrecking drama really stained her reputation and popularity, and her releasing a song like yes, and? didn't help her out of this situation at all. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakshowvato Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 she's actually very powerful. for a song that did not catch fire to go #2 effortlessly is pretty amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorjesspazze9 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Atrl truly is dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakshowvato Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 8 minutes ago, honestopinion said: She is not an album seller either. Her last album didn't debut even with 200k while her fans were claiming she's the biggest popstar in the world she is factually one of the biggest pop stars in the world currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgalbriel Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 27 minutes ago, Communion said: "Points" doesn't actually say anything unless evaluated against each time period's Billboard formula and what the average song does in points though. The pandemic literally halved what radio airplay was valued in points. 5 years ago, you'd need like 40M audience impressions to be Top 20 on pop radio, while now you can do that with less than 20M. What do you think happens then to these points if the components that make them up fundamentally change? Measuring what points are doesn't actually say anything about Ariana in particular if the average points of the Top 10 - for example - have been on a gradual decline for 4 years due to music consumption diversifying. Does that mean that Anti Hero debuting with over 600 points actually was a 1200+ points hit single? Damn.... What a monster hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.E.M. Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 hours ago, She-Rah said: Her image is tarnished beyond repair, she’s lost her youthful looks/beauty plus she’s older now and she never truly established a solid fan base she was just the it girl during like 2 years but the GP has moved on. her first Top 10 hit was 10+ years ago and since then, she has consistently been churning out a string of Top 10 and #1 hits but okay 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Vinci Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 It's not doing that bad considering this was a genre shift and most of her previous #1 hits were more R&B-leaning and the GP got used to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 48 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: Does that mean that Anti Hero debuting with over 600 points actually was a 1200+ points hit single? Damn.... What a monster hit. To figure that out, you'd probably have to find the average % difference between #1 and #2 and and how such has changed overtime. Like 300 points is not just 300 points if #2 is only 50% of that, as that indicates the proportion of the chart and how music is currently being consumed- and how much more a #1 song is or is not being consumed more than all the others below at the time. What was the points for #2 for all the weeks Anti-Hero was #1 (and AH's points) vs something like Easy On Me's or 7 Rings' points versus their % lead over their respective #2's, #3's, etc? This is all data math need stuff though to be clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tm4074 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) I can't wait for this thread to age like milk. The backfiring of the Witness/Positions threads was peak entertainment on here. Edited January 19 by Tm4074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grwntify Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 No, she just released new versions to try the #1 debut (as A LOT OF ARTISTS did in the past, such as Taylor) Jack's song is with a lot of airplay and Ariana didn't have that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grwntify Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 And the OG song is losing streams on streaming platforms because of the versions that were put on a album (which are diluting the streams) She's doing great, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpressMeMuch Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Delusion the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alestevens Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Nah. She just needs to release a song that isn't trash and she'll be fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Points comparison makes no sense, in reality yes, and? outdid positions by far yes, and? 12.9M streams on Spotify US 1st week over 50k sales in the US around 28M paid streams first in week in the US 53.8M first week Spotify WW Over 100M WW first week (predicted) 71k units first week in the US positions 11.8M streams on Spotify US 1st week 33k sales first week 27M paid streams in the US first week 41M Spotify WW first week 58k units in the UK first week according to you positions was during Ariana’s hitmaker status, and y,a? outdid sooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHanyo Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 27 minutes ago, Gerardo said: Points comparison makes no sense, in reality yes, and? outdid positions by far yes, and? 12.9M streams on Spotify US 1st week over 50k sales in the US around 28M paid streams first in week in the US 53.8M first week Spotify WW Over 100M WW first week (predicted) 71k units first week in the US positions 11.8M streams on Spotify US 1st week 33k sales first week 27M paid streams in the US first week 41M Spotify WW first week 58k units in the UK first week according to you positions was during Ariana’s hitmaker status, and y,a? outdid sooo Spotify's active listener count has increased A LOT since 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 51 minutes ago, TheHanyo said: Spotify's active listener count has increased A LOT since 2020. And 54M streams is more than 41M, or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnusualBoy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 The next single may be a smash and some of y'all will end up looking like clowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TROJAN Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Yes, she can try again in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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