Specter Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 My favourite Marxist & egoist, Vladimir Putin (?) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rep2000 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Trump literally and repeatedly argues in courts that the president should have immunity from persecution even if they commit crimes. And there would still be people who call this "made up conspiracy theory" . America is truly doomed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spree Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 hours ago, nadiamendell said: It's all very depressing. It's looking likely Biden is going to lose to one of the most hated men in the world.... What does that say about him??? Even if Biden wins, we get 4 more years of.... this? And then what? 8 years of Desantis? if Trump loses he could run again in 2028 at the age of 81. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spree Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Rep2000 said: Trump literally and repeatedly argues in courts that the president should have immunity from persecution even if they commit crimes. And there would still be people who call this "made up conspiracy theory" . America is truly doomed. doesn't that make Biden's "so called" crimes with Hunter and such immune from persecution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rep2000 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, spree said: doesn't that make Biden's "so called" crimes with Hunter and such immune from persecution? That would mean that Biden can just shoot Donald Trump right now on 5th Avenue and still be a president and get away with it in court. That's how ******* crazy it is implication-wise. Edited January 19 by Rep2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armani? Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 1/17/2024 at 8:02 PM, Miss Show Business said: Leftists will literally let the US descend into a fascist authoritarian dictatorship before admitting any wrongs I do not care if you hate both parties. Vote for the platform that sucks LESS. Time to radically accept that this is our reality. Is Joe Biden not currently president? Is he not currently enabling this to happen 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glam Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) I am right winger but I do fear that the US is headed towards a Dictatorship under Trump, even if I don't dislike the guy. The world right now is divided between Authoritarianism and Liberalism. That's why Trump gets along with authoritarian leaders that aren't precisely on his same side ideologically speaking. Edited January 19 by Glam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constantinople Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 1/17/2024 at 10:02 PM, Miss Show Business said: Leftists will literally let the US it's so funny as an outsider to see americans calling the democrats "leftists" 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohoo Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I’m trying to save money to get out of the country a week before Trump takes office. I have no clue where I’m going but I don’t want to be here when he’s sworn in. I even traded in for a cheaper car to put back more money. Maybe Canada if they’ll let me claim refugee status. Any country that will let me do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 24 minutes ago, constantinople said: it's so funny as an outsider to see americans calling the democrats "leftists" Nah, they’re talking about anyone left of center that isn’t automatically planning on voting blue no matter who, even if the candidate is a Republican in a blue suit like Biden. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariana Taylor Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) This topic is complicated because as a country we focus so much on WHO is president and forget about participating in local elections??? Presidents can only do so much - like remember legislation is in the hands of Congress - House of Reps & Senate, so yes Biden had ambitious plans and promised a lot on campaign but like there is gridlock in Washington and everyone is so partisan nowadays that like no one wants to compromise (this is a whole other problem and conversation) I believe Biden tried his best but he can only play with hand he was dealt with. I don't agree with him completely but it is just how politics is. Like we are here because we don't have better choices, and like where do better choices rise from local elections -> state houses -> governorships -> cabinet -> president, like it starts somewhere - we need to focus on the policies and things happening around us, which sets the trend for the rest of the nation. It is not a top down approach like in the corporate world, but it starts from the ground up. If we want a better president, we need to focus on localized politicians and elevating them to higher levels so we have better choices in the future. Voting third party isn't going to do anything than just you telling your self you "made a stance" without doing anything else. For the time being, we need to choose the lesser of two evils or the election will swing towards Trump. The whole middle east crisis is a ####show but like are we actually believing that Trump will care about Palestinians more than Biden? BFFR Trump is not dangerous for his policies (some), but for his RHETORIC - let's remind of all the hate that risen when he was in office. Uneducated midwest goers love to just copy and jump on the bandwagon. PLUS, we have a few old CONSERVATIVE justices and I am very sure that they will retire under Trump so he can make the court more conservative to come, and what's going to happen? Kiss our gay ass dick loving rights goodbye cause there's no way they won't target us and other marginalized groups and will say its in the name of god. Like I understand it all sucks and we are unhappy but like let's think about the big picture here, there is so many facets that goes into this. Edited January 19 by Ariana Taylor 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spree Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 5 hours ago, woohoo said: I’m trying to save money to get out of the country a week before Trump takes office. I have no clue where I’m going but I don’t want to be here when he’s sworn in. I even traded in for a cheaper car to put back more money. Maybe Canada if they’ll let me claim refugee status. Any country that will let me do that. by yourself or? what do your friends and family think? and what about blue states? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Into The Void Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 On 1/17/2024 at 8:41 PM, Pheromosa said: Biden is awful but he has my vote, unless they find another candidate. If you are an anarchist and want the world to burn faster then just say that I feel so many people hate Biden so much as if they could vote Trump Like cmon now Biden sucks but we all know it would be 100x worse when Trump gets elected and I think he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergi91 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Its either #GenocideJoe or Project 2025 supreme dictator / Minority groups’ nightmare Ruler Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 4 minutes ago, Sergi91 said: Its either #GenocideJoe or Project 2025 supreme dictator / Minority groups’ nightmare Ruler Trump With Genocide Joe, Liberals get to blissfully ignore the world around them that their government causes to be a hellish nightmare for everyone else no matter who's in charge. Bipartisan consensus, and all that. At least with Trump, Liberals can be as miserable as they make everyone else. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesegayz Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 5 hours ago, Sergi91 said: Its either #GenocideJoe or Project 2025 supreme dictator / Minority groups’ nightmare Ruler Trump 5 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: With Genocide Joe, Liberals get to blissfully ignore the world around them that their government causes to be a hellish nightmare for everyone else no matter who's in charge. Bipartisan consensus, and all that. At least with Trump, Liberals can be as miserable as they make everyone else. See you both in the Trump reeducation camps, because your freedom is definitely guaranteed in both options I don’t know what echo chambers ya’ll live in, but out here in the real world, knocking on doors, and talking to strangers, they aren’t cynical as you. get off twitter 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folkhoax Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Biden, and to a certain extent Obama, is to blame for the inevitable victory of Trump. The conservative base is gaining ground, while the dems are shattering into pieces. Inflation, worsening immigration crisis, radical leftist ideologies that are seen as anti-women, oppression Olympics, affirmative action/DEI...have all rallied some centrists/ independents/ moderate demand to join the conservatives. Plus, the left can't seem to figure out where they stand regarding Israel and the brewing war with terrorists in the middle east. And while he is not exactly to be blamed, the Ukraine war, Israel-Palestine war, and now the war against Houthis are all happening under Biden's watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergi91 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 6 hours ago, thesegayz said: See you both in the Trump reeducation camps, because your freedom is definitely guaranteed in both options I don’t know what echo chambers ya’ll live in, but out here in the real world, knocking on doors, and talking to strangers, they aren’t cynical as you. get off twitter When Trump makes LGBT discrimination in the workplace legal again and brings back sodomy laws you’ll be singing a different tune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 hours ago, folkhoax said: Biden, and to a certain extent Obama, is to blame for the inevitable victory of Trump. Well yes, you s-- Quote Inflation, worsening immigration crisis, radical leftist ideologies that are seen as anti-women, oppression Olympics, affirmative action/DEI...have all rallied some centrists/ independents/ moderate demand to join the conservatives. Plus, the left can't seem to figure out where they stand regarding Israel and the brewing war with terrorists in the middle east. And while he is not exactly to be blamed, the Ukraine war, Israel-Palestine war, and now the war against Houthis are all happening under Biden's watch. -no. See, you almost had me with you. Biden's electoral chances have nothing to do with "moderates" or "centrists" who are already Republican-leaning. He will be re-elected or lose all depending on base turnout in November. Biden's problem is that he is objectively to the right of his base, not that he's .. "far-left"? Dear god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted January 20 ATRL Moderator Share Posted January 20 Project 2025 won’t happen to the extent that people are afraid of. The problem with it is that conservatives, who would be the ones supporting this, also are the ones most steadfast in supporting the constitution. And you see the split in the party happening already in instances such as the Speaker debacle last year with McCarthy. I think American politics is in a horrible place and I think regardless of who wins this year, the political path forward is bound to shift and potentially move away from a 2 party system as Republicans try to move to hard to the far right and Democrats stay in the center/right instead of progressing to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breathe On Moi Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 On 1/18/2024 at 2:28 AM, PillowCase said: It's sad that this thread is just 5 pages of people arguing with each other about things that have nothing to do with project 2025. Did any of you read the plan? It contains things like: - Jailing members of the media who speak negatively of the president - Banning abortion & porn - Rolling back gay rights - Not doing anything to fight climate change - Dismantling the separation of church and state Is that what you want? none of this matters because some random ATRLers are here to tell you “it’s nothing new duh! it will never happen!!!! Trump will be so good this second time around! how do I know? because I just know!” a total joke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalAura Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 On 1/19/2024 at 3:34 PM, Glam said: I am right winger but I do fear that the US is headed towards a Dictatorship under Trump, even if I don't dislike the guy. The world right now is divided between Authoritarianism and Liberalism. That's why Trump gets along with authoritarian leaders that aren't precisely on his same side ideologically speaking. See this is the thing that I truly can’t comprehend. How can you possibly think that Trump is a potential dictator and still “don’t dislike the guy?” I’m not trying to attack you but like, I understand liking someone despite a few of their policies/stances or raising an eyebrow at some of their past controversies. I don’t think any politician is without controversy/questionable opinions, so we all have to hold our noses somewhat when we support someone. But how can you possibly, in the same sentence, believe that America is heading to a dictatorship under Trump and still NOT dislike him?? To me that is an immediate disqualifier. Anyone who threatens democracy should be seen as the ultimate enemy of the State, by definition alone. You should not only dislike him under that logic — you should hate him and want him imprisoned. Again not trying to attack you but please explain this logic to me. I would - seriously, not exaggerating - rather a random 15 year old high schooler be POTUS than a dictator. We’d have better chances of preserving our democracy that way. ANYONE but a dictator. It goes so far beyond dislike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spree Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, HeavyMetalAura said: See this is the thing that I truly can’t comprehend. How can you possibly think that Trump is a potential dictator and still “don’t dislike the guy?” I’m not trying to attack you but like, I understand liking someone despite a few of their policies/stances or raising an eyebrow at some of their past controversies. I don’t think any politician is without controversy/questionable opinions, so we all have to hold our noses somewhat when we support someone. But how can you possibly, in the same sentence, believe that America is heading to a dictatorship under Trump and still NOT dislike him?? To me that is an immediate disqualifier. Anyone who threatens democracy should be seen as the ultimate enemy of the State, by definition alone. You should not only dislike him under that logic — you should hate him and want him imprisoned. Again not trying to attack you but please explain this logic to me. I would - seriously, not exaggerating - rather a random 15 year old high schooler be POTUS than a dictator. We’d have better chances of preserving our democracy that way. ANYONE but a dictator. It goes so far beyond dislike. Cuz he tells jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i spit on haters Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Still not voting for Biden. No amount of fear-mongering is going to persuade me to cast my vote for him, either. 8 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byzantium Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/17/2024 at 8:02 PM, Miss Show Business said: I do not care if you hate both parties. Vote for the platform that sucks LESS. Time to radically accept that this is our reality. This rhetoric does not work when both options are pro-genocide. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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