Horizon Flame Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Read the plan: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 “ #blacksfortrump ” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent W Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) Not defending Trump But life became more expensive and harder under Biden, and honestly he lowkey had a worse term and Palestine Democrats need to stop fear mongering Trump and do something to change Biden Even if Trump is awful, their tactics of fear mongering are pathetic and weak. The ”anyone but Trump” strategy is not going to work this year. Edited January 18 by Trent W 28 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hurem Posted January 18 Popular Post Share Posted January 18 Imagine Trump being your opponent... and you're still predicted to lose Democrats did it to themselves 38 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Good luck, Libs. It's genuinely what y'all deserve for silently backing a genocide and shouting down any and all criticisms of this PoS president. 13 4 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Wolf Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 This is so scary. Personally I feel like Trump still has older generations on lock, old men still go up for that man, it's startling to say the least. And I feel like other older Americans are ignorant enough to think Trump is a good option for them. On the other hand, I feel like younger voters are less likely to show allegiance to anyone, even younger white voters and Trump. But they still need to be swayed, people are over Biden, and something needs to happen to make it worth voting either for Biden or someone other than him and Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anti-bitch Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, Trent W said: But Life became more expensive and dangerous under Biden, and honestly he lowkey had a worse term and Palestine That's not necessarily Joe's fault though. You can ask anyone here and inflation has been even higher in most other countries than in the U.S. these past few years. And one could argue that both Israel-Palestine and Russia-Ukraine are ongoing conflicts that started decades ago but have had flareups more recently. Anyway, I agree it's not enough to say that Trump might be worse. Or at least it shouldn't be enough. But at the same time, look up that Project 2025. It's what they plan to do if Trump becomes president again. But I won't say to anyone how they should vote, each to their own. It would actually be funny to see Trump try to deal with deal with all the world crises IF it wasn't so serious. And I mean funny to see him fail delivering on promises. He says sh.i.t like he could solve the Ukraine thing in one day, but obviously not. He's just lucky he hasn't been the incumbent recently. People have forgotten why they hated him in the first place. But he hasn't changed really. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryoncé Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 15 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Good luck, Libs. It's genuinely what y'all deserve for silently backing a genocide and shouting down any and all criticisms of this PoS president. wtf no one deserves to live in a dictatorship.... you have a sick and twisted perspective. how can you in the same breath judge people for "backing a genocide" while showing support for a president and political party that would gladly strip the rights of all minority groups and most likely lead to unprecedented levels of harm, hurt and prejudice 14 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ryoncé Posted January 18 Popular Post Share Posted January 18 16 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Good luck, Libs. It's genuinely what y'all deserve for silently backing a genocide and shouting down any and all criticisms of this PoS president. your very own profile says your pronouns are "they'them" Trump and his political allies will be sure to lock you up once they are able to pass some of the crazy laws outlined in Project 2025. Whatever moral highground you are using to judge others will come back to bite you once you help lay the groundwork for Republicans to get into office and then use whatever means they can to harm people just like you. 13 6 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Show Business Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Leftists will literally let the US descend into a fascist authoritarian dictatorship before admitting any wrongs I do not care if you hate both parties. Vote for the platform that sucks LESS. Time to radically accept that this is our reality. 15 4 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent W Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, anti-***** said: That's not necessarily Joe's fault though. You can ask anyone here and inflation has been even higher in most other countries than in the U.S. these past few years. And one could argue that both Israel-Palestine and Russia-Ukraine are ongoing conflicts that started decades ago but have had flareups more recently. Anyway, I agree it's not enough to say that Trump might be worse. Or at least it shouldn't be enough. But at the same time, look up that Project 2025. It's what they plan to do if Trump becomes president again. But I won't say to anyone how they should vote, each to their own. It would actually be funny to see Trump try to deal with deal with all the world crises IF it wasn't so serious. And I mean funny to see him fail delivering on promises. He says sh.i.t like he could solve the Ukraine thing in one day, but obviously not. He's just lucky he hasn't been the incumbent recently. People have forgotten why they hated him in the first place. But he hasn't changed really. Even tho it is a fact other countries have the same level of inflation Biden has done absolutely nothing other than give billions to Ukraine and support the Palestine genocide. While most people in America are struggling to get by. 2017-2020 was miles better than 2021-2024. And Trump’s term was already catastrophic. I’m aware if Project 2025, and it’s terrible But there is nothing to fight back rn under Biden. 1 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 It's... called a policy platform. It's bad policy! But like... this is the same stuff he released in 2016! He said "I'm gonna follow all the far-right thinktanks' craziest ideas!".. and did! For all the claims of Trump as some one-in-a-million fascist, there is an entire thinktank / institution behind him trying to get the most conservative ideas in place. Even more frustrating Biden isn't listening to the left voices who got him elected! Give us your policy platform! "Not Trump" is not a policy! 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, ryoncé said: wtf no one deserves to live in a dictatorship.... you have a sick and twisted perspective. how can you in the same breath judge people for "backing a genocide" while showing support for a president and political party that would gladly strip the rights of all minority groups and most likely lead to unprecedented levels of harm, hurt and prejudice And you support a president and political party that is materially aiding an ethnic cleansing carried out by an apartheid state. You have zero moral high ground to stand on. I don't even support Trump, but the Democrats don't deserve to hold power ever again, given what they are allowing to happen. 6 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: Leftists will literally let the US descend into a fascist authoritarian dictatorship before admitting any wrongs I do not care if you hate both parties. Vote for the platform that sucks LESS. Time to radically accept that this is our reality. A platform of genocide and ethnic cleansing doesn't "suck less" 5 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Show Business Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: A platform of genocide and ethnic cleansing doesn't "suck less" Has Israel been found guilty in an international court of law? Then until then, this is rhetoric, and nothing more. If anything, the war would be worsened under a GOP administration - one of the candidates running has literally said they want to turn Gaza into a parking lot. Do you really think indirectly helping the Republicans is going to make this situation better for anybody? 6 4 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breathe On Moi Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 14 minutes ago, Trent W said: 2017-2020 was miles better than 2021-2024. And Trump’s term was already catastrophic. I’m aware if Project 2025, and it’s terrible But there is nothing to fight back rn under Biden. serious question, are you from America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 well it’s over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Just now, Miss Show Business said: Has Israel been found guilty in an international court of law? Then until then, this is rhetoric, and nothing more. If anything, the war would be worsened under a GOP administration - one of the candidates running has literally said they want to turn Gaza into a parking lot. Do you really think indirectly helping the Republicans is going to make this situation better for anybody? Israel has already said they will disregard anything that comes out of The Hague. They know what they're doing, and how they've shown their genocidal intent on full display for the entire world to say. Joe Biden is trying to provide them with financial/military support and diplomatic cover, so he's also complicit. But the United States and Israel both act with impunity in all of the atrocities they've ever committed because they know they have unique privilege and support from white Europeans. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 7 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: Has Israel been found guilty in an international court of law? You mean the court of law Biden said he.. doesn't acknowledge at legitimate? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent W Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 8 minutes ago, Breathe On Moi said: serious question, are you from America? Born in Spain, live in America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 8 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: indirectly helping the Republicans Also none of this matters because arguments like this ^ are neither convincing nor self-assuring for the base of true-believers it hopes to reassure. There is no such as thing as "indirectly voting for someone". You vote for who you cast a vote for. A vote for one candidate is not a vote for another. This is not persuasive. This reiterates that Biden started collapsing in polls after getting cocky post-midterms and making a rightward turn, forgetting he won 2020 off of progressive promises. "Not Trump" is not a policy. Tell us what ARE the promised policies and what you'll do to rectify the failed promises from 2020 you let fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anti-bitch Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 13 minutes ago, Trent W said: Biden has done absolutely nothing other than give billions to Ukraine and support the Palestine genocide. Please don't say that about Ukraine though. If you don't want civilians/people to die in Palestine then please have the same standard for Ukrainians, at least the children if nothing else. I think Europe should do more to protect Ukraine anyway, but still. As someone living in Europe, I can't imagine the chaos what happens if Ukraine falls. It would have fallen already without US aid. Even if there's corrupting in the country, it's not the average people's fault. And I'm aware the situation in Gaza is worse because they can't even escape from there. I wish they had a pro-ceasefire option for the US Presidential election, anyone. And I mean for Ukraine too. Someone who could solve that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Show Business Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Israel has already said they will disregard anything that comes out of The Hague. They know what they're doing, and how they've shown their genocidal intent on full display for the entire world to say. Joe Biden is trying to provide them with financial/military support and diplomatic cover, so he's also complicit. But the United States and Israel both act with impunity in all of the atrocities they've ever committed because they know they have unique privilege and support from white Europeans. Joe Biden is following protocol based on decades of treaties and safeguarding our national security. Let me be clear, too, since some people here assume the worst in others: there should 100% be consequences for Israel if an International court of law finds they have committed genocide. I feel like this situation is a catch 22: Biden has to go along with Israel, at least right now, to not risk destabilizing the middle east even worse than it already is and protect US interests in the region, probably unless Israel is condemned by an international court of law or something similar. Not saying I 100% agree with Joe Biden's position, but I do know things would be 1000% handled worse by Trump or someone similar. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breathe On Moi Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, Trent W said: Born in Spain, live in America understood, came here at a young age and pre 2017? I only ask this because the 2017-2020 comment while disregarding a global pandemic and someone having to pick up after all the **** that down during 2017-2020 is a bit random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) Like in the last year, Biden has: Failed to deliver on his crucial promise of debt relief that got him the election boost from young people Blatantly doubled-down on his PERSONAL Zionism and rebuffed Palestinians' humanity in ways that would make warhawk Hillary blush, including things like repeat atrociity porn propaganda (this his own admin has to clear as having no evidence) and flat out deny the death tolls of Palestinian civilians Actively now looking for ways to take a hard-right turn on immigration (after fighting to keep Trump's Title 42 in place) in exchange for Ukraine war aid The appeal of Biden would be that he had some progressive figures in his admin who was open to lefty policy from progressive activists. 2023 saw Biden undo all that goodwill and actively, across multiple issues, rebuke his own administration in the ways they push progressive policy. "But Trump" was NOT why he won in 20202 and will NOT work in 2024. Accept it and come up with something else. Edited January 18 by Communion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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