news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Harrier]

The recent Biden tweet shows that the overall narrative is shifting against Israel, and is a tacit disagreement with those disgusting statements weve seen from Israeli leaders.

 

Keep pushing harder online, and also attend protests, even if you're like me and you have some disagreements with certain groups within overall free Palestine banner. Its not important - its descalation at all costs right now and we need our Western leaders pushing back against Israel

[Monster Megamind]

36 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

Another thing the media is purposefully ignoring and not reporting are the top  newspapers in Israel calling for Netanyahu to go. They blamed him for the attack too. Yesterday Israelis protested against him calling him a murderer and apparently he’s losing support.

 

The media is making it appear as if he has all this popularity and support which is not 100% accurate nor the full story. No context whatsoever. 

That's the left wing of Israel that's protesting. The right wing is lock step with him. 

[sillycilla]

2 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said:

That's the left wing of Israel that's protesting. The right wing is lock step with him. 

I agree to an extent however his poll numbers have dropped last I saw, two days ago 

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-shows-backing-for-netanyahu-imploding-gantz-taking-the-rudder/

Edited October 15, 2023 by sillycilla

[State of Grace.]

I have really gained a tremendous amount of respect for her

 

 

[sillycilla]

25 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

Israelis are also disappointed and in fear with their government not considering any negations for victims (that were captured by Hamas) to be returned back. 

 

Yes this is true. It’s a combination of things however so much context is missing in mainstream discussion to our detriment. 

[Communion]

 

 

What defenders of Israel have convinced themselves of: "Israel wants 1M Palestinians to leave so that they can engage in safe, targeted one on one combat with Hamas! The world's most moral army!"

 

What Israeli intelligence is openly bragging as what they have planed:

 

The same liberals who were rightfully outraged over Trump dropping GBU-43/B MOABs on Afghanistan are now complicit in silence over the reality that Israel will soon drop the very same bombs, that they only could have gotten from the US, onto Gazans. 

Edited October 15, 2023 by Communion

[Cloröx]

19 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

I have really gained a tremendous amount of respect for her

 

 

Me adding her to my Spotify playlist and at the same time blocking Ciara 

[Monster Megamind]

 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said:

 

 

[Gaia]

4 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said:

 

I see all the comments saying this is a good thing but isn’t this still just manipulation to force Palestinians south and pack them into a smaller geographical area?

 

 

[Monster Megamind]

3 minutes ago, Gaia said:

I see all the comments saying this is a good thing but isn’t this still just manipulation to force Palestinians south and pack them into a smaller geographical area?

 

 

It is. But it will save their lives too, because Israel is planning to flatten North Gaza.

[Headlock]

1 minute ago, Monster Megamind said:

It is. But it will save their lives too, because Israel is planning to flatten North Gaza.

You know what would also save their lives? Israel not bombing them.

[Gaia]

Just now, Monster Megamind said:

It is. But it will save their lives too, because Israel is planning to flatten North Gaza.

I understand that, it’s just weird seeing how positively it’s being received when they’re still forcing evacuation of the north and cutting off resources. I guess something is better than nothing

[Monster Megamind]

3 minutes ago, Headlock said:

You know what would also save their lives? Israel not bombing them.

Of course. But this is war now.

[brazil]

1 hour ago, sillycilla said:

Another thing the media is purposefully ignoring and not reporting are the top  newspapers in Israel calling for Netanyahu to go. They blamed him for the attack too. Yesterday Israelis protested against him calling him a murderer and apparently he’s losing support.

 

The media is making it appear as if he has all this popularity and support which is not 100% accurate nor the full story. No context whatsoever. 

And lbr his actions in Gaza are much more likely to get people taken hostages killed than safe home. He and his government are clearly much more eager to hurt Palestinians than getting those Israeli citizens back home safe. 

[brazil]

EU (and of course US) hypocrisy at full force:

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyS4zHoM0Op/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, Gaia said:

I understand that, it’s just weird seeing how positively it’s being received when they’re still forcing evacuation of the north and cutting off resources. I guess something is better than nothing

 

1 minute ago, Monster Megamind said:

Of course. But this is war now.

It is being "positively received" by Westerners whose livelihoods are based on the subjugation of the Global South and whose governments have spent the last week demanding every man, woman and child "condemn Hamas" in order to manufacture consent for the eventual genocide of Palestine which has always been the goal of the Israeli project.

 

 

[brazil]

There is a very good documentary I found in Netflix that shows the devastation in Gaza after the last Israeli assault there, it's called "Born in Gaza". There is no Portuguese subtitles, but it was still among the most watched yesterday in Brazil. It's amazing to see Palestinians being depicted as humans, in contrast to most major western media

 

 

[Harrier]

14 minutes ago, Gaia said:

I see all the comments saying this is a good thing but isn’t this still just manipulation to force Palestinians south and pack them into a smaller geographical area?

 

 

to me it is confirmation that Israel plans to level Gaza city with more serious weaponry

it is absolutely abhorrent ethnic cleansing but it is still in civillians best interests to move south, it is not the right path to encourage people to stay as I am seeing some do

[nooniebao]

 

[Vermillion]

Netanyahu told that Likud conference that he always wanted Western conflation of all Palestinians with Hamas to make the whittling away of the West Bank easier. They serve as the perfect foil for that purpose.

 

If the IDF really does follow through with Northern Gaza carpet bombings (as opposed to ground troops), all of Hezbollah mobilizes, then Iran and Saudi Arabia get involved and the world’s ****ed.

 

Some IDF general said off the record the backlash for essentially a mass Gaza leveling would be too great for even the U.S. but at this point I don’t buy that.

 

I guess the next week will determine next steps for the entire region.

 

I never believed a two-state solution was possible in my lifetime so I never invested too much energy in this conflict - at this point I’m focusing on other players not getting drawn in.

[byzantium]

51 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said:

 

This is so disgusting. I’m at a complete loss for words for how horrific this is.  Forcing people out of their homes under penalty of death to satisfy Israel’s desire for revenge is depraved and animalistic.  

[State of Grace.]

 

This was so well said.

 

Zionist propaganda machine in the West has been framing the conflict as this deeply "complicated" and incredibly "layered" issue that is "difficult to grasp" and much more "complex" than it appears for the average person for decades to further entrench the status quo, convincing people to stay away from learning the truth, and therefore remaining "neutral".

 

This conflict is only "complicated" if you are doing Olympic-level mental gymnastics to try and justify an ongoing genocide or if you have mixed feelings about apartheid/ethnic cleansing. It's 2023 and this has been happening for over 7 decades. There's truly no excuse for you to not open a damn book, read about the history of Palestine, watch a documentary, follow and listen to Palestinian creators/journalists and educate yourself if you genuinely want to. I understand that many have been force-fed propaganda since birth and there's no shame in asking for resources to educate yourself, but choosing to stay ignorant in this digital age while still rambling about "both sides" is something else. I have zero patience left for these people, and they have completely lost the benefit of the doubt. And once again: constantly handwringing about both sides, whataboutism, and equivocation isn't "nuance". It's taking a stance without having the spine to say it. 

 

While I usually think that it's best to just keep your mouth shut/sit down and eat your food if you're ignorant instead of making a fool out of yourself like many celebs/creators/influencers have been doing this week, I feel ilike it is being used as an excuse to shirk any responsibility from having to say anything. And this includes "normal" people as well.

Edited October 15, 2023 by State of Grace.

[Monster Megamind]

 

[Monster Megamind]