news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Cardi B]

19 minutes ago, Gaia said:

This is what’s hard to ignore for me. Israel’s government is 100% wrong for what they’re doing to Gaza but their terms are clear and as an American I don’t really have any ground to criticize because America would do the same if not worse if a country had over 100 American hostages right after killing hundreds. 
 

The way I see this ending is Palestinians revolting against Hamas themselves and showing there’s a clear distinction between them and the terrorists. But right now, Hamas is very smartly manipulating the situation. 
 

Hiding in populated areas to force Israel to be cruel and make them look like the bad guys (not saying the government haven’t already been bad guys), refusing to release hostages or give statement to their current status (are they dead or actually hostages), etc. 
 

 

America was (and still is) very Islamophobic after 9/11. And part of that felt like it was due to not seeing the Middle East denounce ISIS and denounce the actions of 9/11.  After a tragedy, if there’s no clear distinction between a terrorists group and a population, the victim of the tragedy (whether the bigger opponent or not) just views the entire population as the enemy. 
 

America didn’t view ISIS as the sole enemy but Islam and believed their beliefs towards America as a whole is what lead to ISIS. And to America, Middle East = Islam due to majority of their population practicing it.
 

Maybe Palestinians there do not actually like Hamas, but I have yet to really see that. 

Well put.

 

I unfortunately think if a revolt were to ever happen it'll be in a far too late stage - Pro Hamas Propaganda is so prevalent there, borderline instilled that a sort of Stockholm syndrome would be at play. 'I lost my home, But Hamas will protect me!' etc.

 

Yeah, The age old tactic of hiding in plain site - Using them as meat shields to force the opposition to act with possible casualties, Though the civilians wouldn't see it like that.

 

Absolutely agree on the USA/ISIS comment, Even with USA's extremely manipulative and past where they've destroyed many a country, Arabs as a whole suffered immensely with the lack of accountability and denouncing of those who use them as a facade representation. Definitely didn't help that Imam's were preaching Islam and ISIS beliefs on a wide scale and were praising homegrown terrorist attacks, Can't blame the Americans not ******* with that at all.

 

I'm sure there's immense pressure to conform to that belief system, It's like any Islamic community - They hold very extreme and strong beliefs and you'd be outcast-ed if you don't align your beliefs as such.

 

But yeah, I believe if there is any sort of uprising it'll happen to the point of no return. Many still defend ISIS and hold them as martyr's though in those regions - So it'll be interesting how that works out.

 

 

This is all a bigger play to have predominantly European/western countries 'crumble' from within, But y'all would probably report me to Hamas yourselves If I continued on my thoughts.

[Cloröx]

Jeez IDF just attacked two journalists 

 

 

 

 

[byzantium]

2 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

Jeez IDF just attacked two journalists 

 

 

 

 

They bombed the car of two journalists?  But I though Isreal is super careful and only targets Hamas?

[Harrier]

How could calls for a ceasefire possibly be repugnant? Deranged statement from Jean-Pierre. 500 plus children in Gaza are dead! How many more until Israel has gone too far for the whitehouse?

[Scars]

 

[Shelter]

Israel ain’t stopping this time until they believe Hamas is gone. 

[Aethereal]

Gaza Strip:

1,799 killed^[c][12] 7,388 wounded^[d][12] 423,000 displaced^[e]

Inside Israel (Israeli claim):^{[dubious – discuss]}

1,000 militants killed^[14]

West Bank:^[f]

31 killed^[15] 600 wounded^[15]

Lebanon:^[g]

6 killed^[16]

 

Israel:

1,300+ killed^[h][20] 3,400 wounded^[21] 200+ abducted^[25]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel–Hamas_war

 

[Cardi B]

4 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Even if Palestinians voted for Hamas in 05 or support them now, that in no way voids their human rights in any sense. The same is true of Israelis who vote for Netanyahu. Civillians are civillians according to international law and anyone who attempts to undermine that fact should be treated with suspicion.

Deflecting a little from my initial statement, You used the crutch of '75 years' as a means to say 'Well in 2023 you can't be surprised if one gets attack! 75 years!'  and I directed you to a few further examples of the same tier.

 

 

Those international laws and the same supporters your talking about are the same ones who believe Israeli's don't deserve such rights. I don't see IDF soldiers posting videos of dead Palestinians only to continue to defile their bodies, laugh and spit on them?  I don't see Israeli's chanting 'G*s the j**s' at rallies the way Palestinians and fellow Arabs are, I don't see israeli's playing videos of atrocities and laughing with their friends at rallies the way Palestinians and Israeli's are.  Why is that one side is in-sighting such vile acts en masse, yet everyone is condemning Israel for retaliating?

 

I don't want bloodshed from either side, even being on Israel's side - But it's the way conflict works. It's blissful thinking to expect no casualties when a well backed country is infiltrated by terrorist representatives the people pushed into power.

 

Peace treaty's will never be on the table again after this provoked attack, It won't be the 93' with the short lived arab-israeli peace treaty.

[Cardi B]

8 minutes ago, Harrier said:

How could calls for a ceasefire possibly be repugnant? Deranged statement from Jean-Pierre. 500 plus children in Gaza are dead! How many more until Israel has gone too far for the whitehouse?

A cease fire won't work, If you do some research when you have time, you'll see this plan was in motion years prior by Hamas and back by Iran and other forces.  Israel won't back down especially after so many failed attempts to find a common ground.

[Cardi B]

47 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

Go trolling somewhere else, just stick with fandom war dear lord 

Can't help you can't have a normal discussion, Your performative activism and hashtag is just that & your inability to understand opposing arguments is your own issues.. not mine. 

[JustLikeHoney]

24 minutes ago, byzantium said:

To pretend that innocent civilians deserve war crimes because they do not have complete love and respect for people committing the war crimes is a joke.  

Actually they are at war because Hamas raped decapitated and kidnapped Israel civilians.

 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by JustLikeHoney

[Kassi]

14 hours ago, Scars said:

Ew at the tone of this post. 

 

For someone that felt the need to awkwardly scream “you’re resorting to buzzwords!!!”, your use of a Ben Shapiro’d fallacy, that consists in using the demographic growth of Palestinians to shrug off conversations about the ongoing legacy of the Nakba, reads like it comes from someone deliberately misunderstanding the United Nations Commission of Experts definition of “ethnic cleansing” in order to troll. I'm sure anyone can probably hear the bolded part of your post in a corny “Destroying woke pro-palestine activists with logic and facts!” zionist video uploaded somewhere online.

 

Being upset over Israel being called out for domicide by many credible international institutions, or perhaps reducing domicide to a “buzzword”, won’t change the *material reality* faced by Palestinian refugees living in places such as the Gaza Strip, often described as an open-air prison, which includes inhumane conditions such as having access to drinkable water constantly denied. It also won’t change the fact that such violent reality is responsible to push the youth even further down the radicalization route in a never-ending cycle, as we’ve also seen with other former colonial regimes. Those dynamics are unsustainable and that has basis in reality.

idgi

 

Are you upset that there’s room for everyone? 

 

Or that Jews exist in the region?

 

If 10-15 million live in Israel today, there’s no reason why 2 million couldn’t back then. That’s basic maths.
 

The alternative was attempted and the entirety of the Arab world descended down on the Jewish minority in an attempt to finish the job Hitler had started. That can never be allowed to happen again.

 

As a minority in the multi-ethnic USA and a survivor of an ethnic genocide I’m able to see how different peoples can live peacefully amongst each other provided that rule of law prevails. There’s no reason that can’t happen in a majority Jewish Israel. 
 

You might want to ask yourself why you don’t think Arabs can live peacefully alongside Jews.

[Cardi B]

2 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said:

Actually they are at war because Hamas raped decapitated and kidnapped Israel civilians.

 

 

These are the same people who would preach 'Queers for Palestine' (An Actual sign from a Sydney Australia protest)..... The logic is.... not there and when faced with facts they'll downvote you lol.

[Nicholai]

4 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said:

Actually they are at war because Hamas raped decapitated and kidnapped Israel civilians.

 

 

They are at war because the jews took their land. This is just an excuse for Israel to finally take the Gaza Strip and kill palestinians at the same time.

[JustLikeHoney]

2 minutes ago, Cardi B said:

These are the same people who would preach 'Queers for Palestine' (An Actual sign from a Sydney Australia protest)..... The logic is.... not there and when faced with facts they'll downvote you lol.

They keep churning out the same one liners to defend Hamas. 

[byzantium]

2 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said:

Actually they are at war because Hamas raped decapitated and kidnapped Israel civilians.

 

 

And I guess this is justification in your eyes to kill civilians, force them from their homes under threat of violence, and starve them?  

[Cardi B]

Anyways I'm off, Thanks to the like 2 members on here who actually could have a discussion! 

 

@KUNTPERFECTAIt was nice to meet you!

[airplane]

Just now, Cardi B said:

Anyways I'm off, Thanks to the 2 (of many) zionists in here who actually could have a discussion! 

 

@KUNTPERFECTAIt was nice to meet you!

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by airplane

[Cardi B]

Just now, JustLikeHoney said:

They keep churning out the same one liners to defend Hamas. 

What is it with the gay community and aligning themselves with people/movements/organizations that wouldn't think twice on... you know? It's weird -  trying to justify or excuse what Hamas has done is... wild.

[JustLikeHoney]

5 minutes ago, byzantium said:

And I guess this is justification in your eyes to kill civilians, force them from their homes under threat of violence, and starve them?  

They are going to retrieve people kidnapped. By a govt that is run by a terrorist organization that the people of Palestine voted for. Rhey could go to Egypt but Egypt closed the exit on their side. They don't want that ideology of hate infecting their people and they are and Arab country. 

Edited October 13, 2023 by JustLikeHoney

[Devin]

Some interesting takes here. 

[Devin]

Lemme catch up on the updates. 

[jadeabove]

1 hour ago, Cardi B said:

And people still claim Hamas aren't a terrorist organisation, Especially people on here - Who would last a whole 2 minutes there before they're dealt with for their identity.

 

 

Hamas are doing this as a power play so they can pin the casualties on Israel, This is the same jihadist militia that people were praising and celebrating not even a week ago.

But we’re ignoring here that this is their land. They shouldn’t have to leave. Leaving also means never coming back. This is exactly what the state of Israel wants. If Israel is so interested in finding Hamas, I’m sure they have much more resources available to do so. Where’s the Mossad in this? They can spot a random person 8000km away from their country but they can’t find representatives of the Hamas from within their country, within a concentration camp that they control themselves? This is utter bullshit.

 

No one’s defending Hamas horrible actions. However, it seems that defending or arguing that the state of Israel’s actions are understandable or acceptable is complete disregard to Palestinians’ rights.

[Riverbank]

I see members here complaining about making disclaimers that not all muslims are terrorist sympathisers, or that not all Jews are Zionists. But I feel like those disclaimers are necessary when you still have people in here making dangerous statements like these:

 

6 minutes ago, Nicholai said:

They are at war because the jews took their land.

 

[Cardi B]

2 minutes ago, airplane said:

 

Oh you're mad mad to have to resort to false name calling, You good Airplane? I was here for a good hour - Couldn't come up with a single discussion point that whole time?

 

I can pay the ticket to send you out to Gaza if you'd like