byzantium Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cloröx said: Jeez IDF just attacked two journalists They bombed the car of two journalists? But I though Isreal is super careful and only targets Hamas? 1
Harrier Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 How could calls for a ceasefire possibly be repugnant? Deranged statement from Jean-Pierre. 500 plus children in Gaza are dead! How many more until Israel has gone too far for the whitehouse? 1
Shelter Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Israel ain’t stopping this time until they believe Hamas is gone.
Aethereal Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Gaza Strip: 1,799 killed[c][12] 7,388 wounded[d][12] 423,000 displaced[e] Inside Israel (Israeli claim):[dubious – discuss] 1,000 militants killed[14] West Bank:[f] 31 killed[15] 600 wounded[15] Lebanon:[g] 6 killed[16] Israel: 1,300+ killed[h][20] 3,400 wounded[21] 200+ abducted[25] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel–Hamas_war
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Harrier said: Even if Palestinians voted for Hamas in 05 or support them now, that in no way voids their human rights in any sense. The same is true of Israelis who vote for Netanyahu. Civillians are civillians according to international law and anyone who attempts to undermine that fact should be treated with suspicion. Deflecting a little from my initial statement, You used the crutch of '75 years' as a means to say 'Well in 2023 you can't be surprised if one gets attack! 75 years!' and I directed you to a few further examples of the same tier. Those international laws and the same supporters your talking about are the same ones who believe Israeli's don't deserve such rights. I don't see IDF soldiers posting videos of dead Palestinians only to continue to defile their bodies, laugh and spit on them? I don't see Israeli's chanting 'G*s the j**s' at rallies the way Palestinians and fellow Arabs are, I don't see israeli's playing videos of atrocities and laughing with their friends at rallies the way Palestinians and Israeli's are. Why is that one side is in-sighting such vile acts en masse, yet everyone is condemning Israel for retaliating? I don't want bloodshed from either side, even being on Israel's side - But it's the way conflict works. It's blissful thinking to expect no casualties when a well backed country is infiltrated by terrorist representatives the people pushed into power. Peace treaty's will never be on the table again after this provoked attack, It won't be the 93' with the short lived arab-israeli peace treaty.
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Harrier said: How could calls for a ceasefire possibly be repugnant? Deranged statement from Jean-Pierre. 500 plus children in Gaza are dead! How many more until Israel has gone too far for the whitehouse? A cease fire won't work, If you do some research when you have time, you'll see this plan was in motion years prior by Hamas and back by Iran and other forces. Israel won't back down especially after so many failed attempts to find a common ground.
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 47 minutes ago, Cloröx said: Go trolling somewhere else, just stick with fandom war dear lord Can't help you can't have a normal discussion, Your performative activism and hashtag is just that & your inability to understand opposing arguments is your own issues.. not mine.
JustLikeHoney Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, byzantium said: To pretend that innocent civilians deserve war crimes because they do not have complete love and respect for people committing the war crimes is a joke. Actually they are at war because Hamas raped decapitated and kidnapped Israel civilians. Edited October 13, 2023 by JustLikeHoney 1
Kassi Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 14 hours ago, Scars said: Ew at the tone of this post. For someone that felt the need to awkwardly scream “you’re resorting to buzzwords!!!”, your use of a Ben Shapiro’d fallacy, that consists in using the demographic growth of Palestinians to shrug off conversations about the ongoing legacy of the Nakba, reads like it comes from someone deliberately misunderstanding the United Nations Commission of Experts definition of “ethnic cleansing” in order to troll. I'm sure anyone can probably hear the bolded part of your post in a corny “Destroying woke pro-palestine activists with logic and facts!” zionist video uploaded somewhere online. Being upset over Israel being called out for domicide by many credible international institutions, or perhaps reducing domicide to a “buzzword”, won’t change the *material reality* faced by Palestinian refugees living in places such as the Gaza Strip, often described as an open-air prison, which includes inhumane conditions such as having access to drinkable water constantly denied. It also won’t change the fact that such violent reality is responsible to push the youth even further down the radicalization route in a never-ending cycle, as we’ve also seen with other former colonial regimes. Those dynamics are unsustainable and that has basis in reality. idgi Are you upset that there’s room for everyone? Or that Jews exist in the region? If 10-15 million live in Israel today, there’s no reason why 2 million couldn’t back then. That’s basic maths. The alternative was attempted and the entirety of the Arab world descended down on the Jewish minority in an attempt to finish the job Hitler had started. That can never be allowed to happen again. As a minority in the multi-ethnic USA and a survivor of an ethnic genocide I’m able to see how different peoples can live peacefully amongst each other provided that rule of law prevails. There’s no reason that can’t happen in a majority Jewish Israel. You might want to ask yourself why you don’t think Arabs can live peacefully alongside Jews. 2 2
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said: Actually they are at war because Hamas raped decapitated and kidnapped Israel civilians. These are the same people who would preach 'Queers for Palestine' (An Actual sign from a Sydney Australia protest)..... The logic is.... not there and when faced with facts they'll downvote you lol. 1 1
Nicholai Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said: Actually they are at war because Hamas raped decapitated and kidnapped Israel civilians. They are at war because the jews took their land. This is just an excuse for Israel to finally take the Gaza Strip and kill palestinians at the same time.
JustLikeHoney Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cardi B said: These are the same people who would preach 'Queers for Palestine' (An Actual sign from a Sydney Australia protest)..... The logic is.... not there and when faced with facts they'll downvote you lol. They keep churning out the same one liners to defend Hamas. 1 1
byzantium Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said: Actually they are at war because Hamas raped decapitated and kidnapped Israel civilians. And I guess this is justification in your eyes to kill civilians, force them from their homes under threat of violence, and starve them? 1
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Anyways I'm off, Thanks to the like 2 members on here who actually could have a discussion! @KUNTPERFECTAIt was nice to meet you! 1 1
airplane Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) Just now, Cardi B said: Anyways I'm off, Thanks to the 2 (of many) zionists in here who actually could have a discussion! @KUNTPERFECTAIt was nice to meet you! Edited October 13, 2023 by airplane 1
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, JustLikeHoney said: They keep churning out the same one liners to defend Hamas. What is it with the gay community and aligning themselves with people/movements/organizations that wouldn't think twice on... you know? It's weird - trying to justify or excuse what Hamas has done is... wild. 1 2
JustLikeHoney Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, byzantium said: And I guess this is justification in your eyes to kill civilians, force them from their homes under threat of violence, and starve them? They are going to retrieve people kidnapped. By a govt that is run by a terrorist organization that the people of Palestine voted for. Rhey could go to Egypt but Egypt closed the exit on their side. They don't want that ideology of hate infecting their people and they are and Arab country. Edited October 13, 2023 by JustLikeHoney 1
jadeabove Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Cardi B said: And people still claim Hamas aren't a terrorist organisation, Especially people on here - Who would last a whole 2 minutes there before they're dealt with for their identity. Hamas are doing this as a power play so they can pin the casualties on Israel, This is the same jihadist militia that people were praising and celebrating not even a week ago. But we’re ignoring here that this is their land. They shouldn’t have to leave. Leaving also means never coming back. This is exactly what the state of Israel wants. If Israel is so interested in finding Hamas, I’m sure they have much more resources available to do so. Where’s the Mossad in this? They can spot a random person 8000km away from their country but they can’t find representatives of the Hamas from within their country, within a concentration camp that they control themselves? This is utter bullshit. No one’s defending Hamas horrible actions. However, it seems that defending or arguing that the state of Israel’s actions are understandable or acceptable is complete disregard to Palestinians’ rights.
Riverbank Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 I see members here complaining about making disclaimers that not all muslims are terrorist sympathisers, or that not all Jews are Zionists. But I feel like those disclaimers are necessary when you still have people in here making dangerous statements like these: 6 minutes ago, Nicholai said: They are at war because the jews took their land. 5
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, airplane said: Oh you're mad mad to have to resort to false name calling, You good Airplane? I was here for a good hour - Couldn't come up with a single discussion point that whole time? I can pay the ticket to send you out to Gaza if you'd like 2 4
Nicholai Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Riverbank said: I see members here complaining about making disclaimers that not all muslims are terrorist sympathisers, or that not all Jews are Zionists. But I feel like those disclaimers are necessary when you still have people in here making dangerous statements like these: But the statement remains true.
JustLikeHoney Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Riverbank said: I see members here complaining about making disclaimers that not all muslims are terrorist sympathisers, or that not all Jews are Zionists. But I feel like those disclaimers are necessary when you still have people in here making dangerous statements like these: True that statement is harsh but when people in this thread call Jews the dog whistle word of "colonizers." Is the statement wrong?
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