Harrier Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Harrier said: No excuses for Israel's actions but Hamas still has 150 Israeli civillian hostages and could release them to restore the electricity/water. But they won't! I want to be clear what Israel is doing is absolutely disgusting and unnacceptable but for me, it's yet more evidence that Hamas doesn't care even 1% about Palestinian lives and is just interested in bloodshed for the sake of bloodshed. To further add to this Hamas encouraging Gazans in north to ignore Netanyahu's warnings and stay in their homes for the likely ground invasion. There is no end to their ghoulishness - they would rather their own people die as "martyrs" in their unwinnable war than go south to comparative safety. How anyone can possible justify this humanitarian catastrophe that is about to unfold from any side is completely beyond me. jfc 4
Cloröx Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said: You said that when you said "then again." So go ahead and denounce Hamas. This is me... I denounce IDF. I denounce Hamas. Ah please you go check even the earlier thread that get closed by mod, I condemned both sides but here we are you start recycling same thing over and over again. But since you request yeah I denounce Hamas, they shouldn't take any hostages and should release the innocent citizens. Now I wanna you show same energy dragging IDF, condemn their war crime for decade.
Cloröx Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: You’re talking to the guy that’s known for comparing black women like Beyoncé to apes, so I wouldn’t expect that from him at all. Wtf, the pattern
JustLikeHoney Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Cloröx said: Ah please you go check even the earlier thread that get closed by mod, I condemned both sides but here we are you start recycling same thing over and over again. But since you request yeah I denounce Hamas, they shouldn't take any hostages and should release the innocent citizens. Now I wanna you show same energy dragging IDF, condemn their war crime for decade. This is about your current comment that reads like you agree that taking hostages is a good move for Hamas. 3
Cloröx Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, JustLikeHoney said: This is about your current comment that reads like you agree that taking hostages is a good move for Hamas. When did I said that? Stop twisting people words or you are trolling at this point just like your fellow Delirious.
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Harrier said: To further add to this Hamas encouraging Gazans in north to ignore Netanyahu's warnings and stay in their homes for the likely ground invasion. There is no end to their ghoulishness - they would rather their own people die as "martyrs" in their unwinnable war than go south to comparative safety. How anyone can possible justify this humanitarian catastrophe that is about to unfold from any side is completely beyond me. jfc And people still claim Hamas aren't a terrorist organisation, Especially people on here - Who would last a whole 2 minutes there before they're dealt with for their identity. Hamas are doing this as a power play so they can pin the casualties on Israel, This is the same jihadist militia that people were praising and celebrating not even a week ago. 4 1 2
Karla Cabello Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cardi B said: And people still claim Hamas aren't a terrorist organisation, Especially people on here - Who would last a whole 2 minutes there before they're dealt with for their identity. Hamas are doing this as a power play so they can pin the casualties on Israel, This is the same jihadist militia that people were praising and celebrating not even a week ago. but the casualties will be on israel 9
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 I find it interesting to see how easily people paint Israel as the bad guy, Yet have coddle Palestine & Hamas to an extent they could do no wrong. Hamas are the reason bloodshed will reign upon Gazan's & Palestine, I don't get this discussion of a 'peace treaty' ONLY after the atrocities that were enacted in Israel; How the **** does that make sense? In what ******* world could you do such heinous things then be like 'Yeah we want peace now', They KNEW how well connected Israel is with big players and how well prepared they would be. 2 1 12
Harrier Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Karla Cabello said: but the casualties will be on israel this Hamas' disregard for Palestinian lives does not absolve Israel of responsibility 1
Karla Cabello Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Cardi B said: I find it interesting to see how easily people paint Israel as the bad guy, Yet have coddle Palestine & Hamas to an extent they could do no wrong. Hamas are the reason bloodshed will reign upon Gazan's & Palestine, I don't get this discussion of a 'peace treaty' ONLY after the atrocities that were enacted in Israel; How the **** does that make sense? In what ******* world could you do such heinous things then be like 'Yeah we want peace now', They KNEW how well connected Israel is with big players and how well prepared they would be. so you're excusing it. the fact israel has far bigger military, is backed up by states, is able to withold light, water and human resources from gaza tells you everything you need to know about the power dynamics here 2
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Karla Cabello said: but the casualties will be on israel That's one way of looking at it, Giving a 24 hour notice and letting civilians know to evacuate isn't the same courtesy the opposition gave when they invaded. As I mentioned, It's bizarre to think one can get away with such atrocities and expect no return of fire. 2 9
byzantium Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Cardi B said: And people still claim Hamas aren't a terrorist organisation, Especially people on here - Who would last a whole 2 minutes there before they're dealt with for their identity. Hamas are doing this as a power play so they can pin the casualties on Israel, This is the same jihadist militia that people were praising and celebrating not even a week ago. If Hamas is a terrorist organization for spreading misinformation and putting people’s lives at risk, what does that make the IDF for forcing people from their home, indiscriminately threatening 2 million people with starvation, and murdering civilians? 1
Scars Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Cardi B said: And people still claim Hamas aren't a terrorist organisation, Especially people on here - Who would last a whole 2 minutes there before they're dealt with for their identity. Hamas are doing this as a power play so they can pin the casualties on Israel, This is the same jihadist militia that people were praising and celebrating not even a week ago. Collective punishment isn't a "casualty". It's a war crime. Edited October 13, 2023 by Scars 2 4 1
Karla Cabello Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Cardi B said: That's one way of looking at it, Giving a 24 hour notice and letting civilians know to evacuate isn't the same courtesy the opposition gave when they invaded. As I mentioned, It's bizarre to think one can get away with such atrocities and expect no return of fire. this has been going for years. do you think this started last week? and 24 hour notice to move 1.1million population? are you reading yourself? you're the one trying to justify mass genocide 6
Communion Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said: You said that when you said "then again." So go ahead and denounce Hamas. This is me... I denounce IDF. I denounce Hamas. You: "ANY ATTACK BY ISRAEL WILL BE JUSTIFIED BECAUSE THEY ONLY EVER DO BACK TO TERRORISTS WHAT THEY DESERVE!!! ARE YOU SAYING THE HOSTAGES SHOULD SUFFER??" User: "Of course Hamas is wrong, but I don't see how the hostages are relevant to what was said because Israel has indiscriminately killed Palestinians before when Hamas neither attacked nor took hostages." You: "THERE IS NO BUT!!!!" Genuinely everything you've posted.in the last 10 pages has been unproductive and done in bad faith. 6
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Harrier said: this Hamas' disregard for Palestinian lives does not absolve Israel of responsibility Israel has given them 24 hour notice, How isn't that giving them opportunity to evacuate, Responsibility would've been if it was a sneak attack - But this latest bombing was tactile to hemorrhage Hamas in a way that would make it near impossible for them to smuggle the kidnapped Israeli's to nearing shores or that of Libya. Israel holds no responsibility to those who decided to listen to a jihadist group and stay - They can only do so much and send out warning signals to the point where one will make their own decision in the end. I find it also interesting how the masses (Especially arab who were having parades) held no responsibility on Hamas and used the '75 year occupation' cop out excuse to justify the atrocities. The Lebanese raped, slaughtered & ethnic cleansed my people and stole land of my people - Does that mean I'm equally justified to do such things on them? No. 8
JustLikeHoney Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, Cloröx said: When did I said that? Stop twisting people words or you are trolling at this point just like your fellow Delirious. Here is when you said it. 8 hours ago, Cloröx said: I agreed that Hamas should release the hostage but then again without this hostage situation Israel is always that aggressive killing Gaza people, impose blockade, denying innocent citizen their basic right for decades So do you think the it was a good move for Hamas to take hostages? I'm just giving you the opportunity to clear up your statement it was just probably poorly written whataboutism. 1
KUNTPERFECTA Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cardi B said: That's one way of looking at it, Giving a 24 hour notice and letting civilians know to evacuate isn't the same courtesy the opposition gave when they invaded. As I mentioned, It's bizarre to think one can get away with such atrocities and expect no return of fire. 100% true. Hamas is to blame for everything. Israel lets the innocent people know they need to leave so they won’t risk their life, yet Hamas is willing to risk any life, their own, their citizens’ and Israelis’. that’s so simple to understand and there’s no other way of seeing that and twisting that reality. 1 6
Karla Cabello Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Cardi B said: Israel has given them 24 hour notice, How isn't that giving them opportunity to evacuate, Responsibility would've been if it was a sneak attack - But this latest bombing was tactile to hemorrhage Hamas in a way that would make it near impossible for them to smuggle the kidnapped Israeli's to nearing shores or that of Libya. Israel holds no responsibility to those who decided to listen to a jihadist group and stay - They can only do so much and send out warning signals to the point where one will make their own decision in the end. I find it also interesting how the masses (Especially arab who were having parades) held no responsibility on Hamas and used the '75 year occupation' cop out excuse to justify the atrocities. The Lebanese raped, slaughtered & ethnic cleansed my people and stole land of my people - Does that mean I'm equally justified to do such things on them? No. evacuate where exactly
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Scars said: Collective punishment isn't a "casualty". It's a war crime. It's the way of war, it's a cold sentiment and ******* sucks but it's the truth. Warnings were sent multiple times to evacuate, It comes to the point were one decides to listen or ignore it - You nor I nor anyone can tell them what to do. 1 5
byzantium Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cardi B said: That's one way of looking at it, Giving a 24 hour notice and letting civilians know to evacuate isn't the same courtesy the opposition gave when they invaded. As I mentioned, It's bizarre to think one can get away with such atrocities and expect no return of fire. Forcing people from their homes and uprooting their entire livelihood under the threat of violence and starvation is not the humanitarian position you think it is. I challenge anyone who thinks “attacking and killing innocent civilians because another group attacked and killed innocent civilians” is a just position to deeply reconsider their grasp on morality. 1
Karla Cabello Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Cardi B said: It's the way of war, it's a cold sentiment and ******* sucks but it's the truth. Warnings were sent multiple times to evacuate, It comes to the point were one decides to listen or ignore it - You nor I nor anyone can tell them what to do. you outright justifying it then. there's no point of discussion if this is how you think
Cloröx Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, JustLikeHoney said: Here is when you said it. So do you think the it was a good move for Hamas to take hostages? I'm just giving you the opportunity to clear up your statement it was just probably poorly written whataboutism. You clearly have comprehension skill issue, I clearly referring the fact that with or without hostages situation Israel is always that aggressive when it comes to dealing with Palestinians 2 1
Harrier Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cardi B said: Israel has given them 24 hour notice, How isn't that giving them opportunity to evacuate, Responsibility would've been if it was a sneak attack - But this latest bombing was tactile to hemorrhage Hamas in a way that would make it near impossible for them to smuggle the kidnapped Israeli's to nearing shores or that of Libya. Israel holds no responsibility to those who decided to listen to a jihadist group and stay - They can only do so much and send out warning signals to the point where one will make their own decision in the end. I find it also interesting how the masses (Especially arab who were having parades) held no responsibility on Hamas and used the '75 year occupation' cop out excuse to justify the atrocities. The Lebanese raped, slaughtered & ethnic cleansed my people and stole land of my people - Does that mean I'm equally justified to do such things on them? No. 24 hours for 1 million people to evacuate? Where do they go, Gaza is tiny? There is not housing or even idk, ******* tents in Southern Gaza for an exodus of that magnitude. Plus, putting aside the immorality of displacing 1 million people from their homes, if Netanyahu was serious about his humanitarian "concerns" he'd have given a week and wouldnt be actively denying Gazans their baic rights to food and water 2
Cardi B Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Karla Cabello said: evacuate where exactly Quote IDF announcement sent to civilians of Gaza City: The IDF calls for the evacuation of all civilians of Gaza City from their homes southwards for their own safety and protection and move to the area south of the Wadi Gaza, as shown on the map. The Hamas terrorist organization waged a war against the State of Israel and Gaza City is an area where military operations take place. This evacuation is for your own safety. You will be able to return to Gaza City only when another announcement permitting it is made. Do not approach the area of the security fence with the State of Israel. Hamas terrorists are hiding in Gaza City inside tunnels underneath houses and inside buildings populated with innocent Gazan civilians. Civilians of Gaza City, evacuate south for your own safety and the safety of your families and distance yourself from Hamas terrorists who are using you as human shields. In the following days, the IDF will continue to operate significantly in Gaza City and make extensive efforts to avoid harming civilians.
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