Gaia Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, byzantium said: It’s a country of over 300 million people. If your political agenda so requires, you can find anyone professing any type of view if you look hard enough. It’s a common right wing tactic in American politics. They will go out searching for individuals who “cross the line” or are “shocking” as justification to promote hatred for an entire group. This happens all the time against LGBT individuals, and thus it is pretty easy to spot the tactics. The radicals of any social group are just the worst. The awful actions of a few taint the image of the larger group. Seeing the awful radicals of both sides (taunting Gaza’s lack of resources and on the other side celebrating the hamas attack) is just so bizarre. 3
Gui Blackout Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, byzantium said: It’s a country of over 300 million people. If your political agenda so requires, you can find anyone professing any type of view if you look hard enough. It’s a common right wing tactic in American politics. They will go out searching for individuals who “cross the line” or are “shocking” as justification to promote hatred for an entire group. I hope you and others are keeping that same energy for both sides.
Buffy Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Can someone please help me understand this news article? Where exactly can the people of Gaza relocate to? Last I heard there was a total blockade unless something has changed now? https://www.yahoo.com/news/now-time-war-says-israels-221628834.html 1
byzantium Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: I hope you and others are keeping that same energy for both sides. I have told you multiple times I condemn all violence and hatred. Yet I have not seen the same from you. 9 1
Cloröx Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffy said: Can someone please help me understand this news article? Where exactly can the people of Gaza relocate to? Last I heard there was a total blockade unless something has changed now? https://www.yahoo.com/news/now-time-war-says-israels-221628834.html There's nowhere to relocate, Israel gives early warning just so they can get away with the bombing and say "We told you to move, you failed to do it so it was your fault not us" Edited October 13, 2023 by Cloröx 1
Shelter Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Buffy said: Can someone please help me understand this news article? Where exactly can the people of Gaza relocate to? Last I heard there was a total blockade unless something has changed now? https://www.yahoo.com/news/now-time-war-says-israels-221628834.html They just have to go south and stay there. They can’t leave
byzantium Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffy said: Can someone please help me understand this news article? Where exactly can the people of Gaza relocate to? Last I heard there was a total blockade unless something has changed now? https://www.yahoo.com/news/now-time-war-says-israels-221628834.html It seems you understand the issue. The blockade has not changed. There is no plan or direction for where the people should go. And quite honestly, the IDF does not care. They are not invested in protecting and respecting the lives of innocent civilians. They just want to be able to pretend like they are the good guys because they gave “warnings” before they kill a bunch of innocent families and children. Edited October 13, 2023 by byzantium 4
Gui Blackout Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, byzantium said: I have told you multiple times I condemn all violence and hatred. Yet I have not seen the same from you. I do, and I challenge you to find a post of mine here that would suggest otherwise.
Nova_23 Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Buffy said: Can someone please help me understand this news article? Where exactly can the people of Gaza relocate to? Last I heard there was a total blockade unless something has changed now? https://www.yahoo.com/news/now-time-war-says-israels-221628834.html Nothing has changed. There’s no where for these people to go.
byzantium Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: I do, and I challenge you to find a post of mine here that would suggest otherwise. Great so we are in agreement.
Buffy Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Cloröx said: There's nowhere to relocate, Israel gives early warning just so they can get away with the bombing and say "We told you to move, you failed to do it so it was your fault not us" That’s what I thought… 10 minutes ago, Shelter said: They just have to go south and stay there. They can’t leave I’m confused. Isn’t south where the borderline is between Gaza and Israel? Isn’t that the war zone? Is there really a safe location for civilians in Gaza? Aren’t there like 4 million people that live there? Gaza doesn’t seem like that big of a country for people to evade the war. Edited October 13, 2023 by Buffy
Cloröx Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffy said: That’s what I thought… I’m confused. Isn’t south where the borderline is between Gaza and Israel? Isn’t that the war zone? Is there really a safe location for civilians in Gaza? Aren’t there like 4 million people that live there? Gaza doesn’t seem like that big of a country for people to evade the war. The whole Gaza is war zone, there's no safe place in there. Heck even the Rafah border which is next to Egypt was subjected to Israel bombardment a few days ago
Robert Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Mitsouko said: Is there one person in here who is capable of admitting that both sides fight dirty, and condemning both? Is there one person who can say that the treacherous Israeli government is interested in wiping out Palestine from the face of the earth and that Hamas is a radical jihadist terror group with an expected penchant for barbarism and bloodshed? Palestinians deserve a better defense than these animals. Because all I see is I’m right, you’re wrong, they started it, no they started it, Israel is defending itself, Israel deserved it after 70 years. There is no justification for the Israeli government’s actions in the past and present; there is no justification for Hamas’ means of attack. Israel is a violent oppressive occupier and apartheid state and Hamas is a terrorist organization with no respect for any human life. Condemn them both. What is defending Netanyahu or a terrorist organization doing for you? I don't think anyone is defending Hamas but as I mentioned before they are a product of Israeli occupation. Whilst both groups are indeed awful, there is a huge power inbalance too. Israel is wealthy and highly developed with billions of dollars of US/Western funding whilst Gaza was described as an open air prison by the UN. They are both doing heinous things but it's not the same. 3
Wolf Alice Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ3E5DU3/ This is insane... That's how the people in power think about the innocent civilians... They mean nothing to them. They will push their propaganda till they get what they want.
byzantium Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Wolf Alice said: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ3E5DU3/ This is insane... That's how the people in power think about the innocent civilians... They mean nothing to them. They will push their propaganda till they get what they want. This is truely heartbreaking. It’s disgusting that this person does not feel an ounce of shame and in fact feels offended that the presenter asked the individual to care about literal children . 1
JustLikeHoney Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Cloröx said: I agreed that Hamas should release the hostage but then again without this hostage situation Israel is always that aggressive killing Gaza people, impose blockade, denying innocent citizen their basic right for decades No. There is no then again. What are you saying here? Do you agree with Hamas taking hostages? Are you a Hamas apologist? 1 2
ClashAndBurn Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 38 minutes ago, byzantium said: I have told you multiple times I condemn all violence and hatred. Yet I have not seen the same from you. You’re talking to the guy that’s known for comparing black women like Beyoncé to apes, so I wouldn’t expect that from him at all. 2
Cloröx Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said: No. There is no then again. What are you saying here? Do you agree with Hamas taking hostages? Are you a Hamas apologist? When did I say that? You running out of idea to defend your beloved IDF now start twisting people words? Do better 1
JustLikeHoney Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Cloröx said: When did I say that? You running out of idea to defend your beloved IDF now start twisting people words? Do better You said that when you said "then again." So go ahead and denounce Hamas. This is me... I denounce IDF. I denounce Hamas. 3 2
jadeabove Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 For as long as people don’t recognize Netanyahu as a fascist and he is not taken down with the same fervor employed with Hamas, we’re going to see the same violence operating again and again. Netanyahu and his government does not make a distinction between Palestinians and Hamas. 10
byzantium Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: You’re talking to the guy that’s known for comparing black women like Beyoncé to apes, so I wouldn’t expect that from him at all. Oh gosh. I did not realize that was them. It makes sense now.
Harrier Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Harrier said: No excuses for Israel's actions but Hamas still has 150 Israeli civillian hostages and could release them to restore the electricity/water. But they won't! I want to be clear what Israel is doing is absolutely disgusting and unnacceptable but for me, it's yet more evidence that Hamas doesn't care even 1% about Palestinian lives and is just interested in bloodshed for the sake of bloodshed. To further add to this Hamas encouraging Gazans in north to ignore Netanyahu's warnings and stay in their homes for the likely ground invasion. There is no end to their ghoulishness - they would rather their own people die as "martyrs" in their unwinnable war than go south to comparative safety. How anyone can possible justify this humanitarian catastrophe that is about to unfold from any side is completely beyond me. jfc 4
Cloröx Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said: You said that when you said "then again." So go ahead and denounce Hamas. This is me... I denounce IDF. I denounce Hamas. Ah please you go check even the earlier thread that get closed by mod, I condemned both sides but here we are you start recycling same thing over and over again. But since you request yeah I denounce Hamas, they shouldn't take any hostages and should release the innocent citizens. Now I wanna you show same energy dragging IDF, condemn their war crime for decade.
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