Communion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 8 minutes ago, Aristotle said: Anyone with a brain can see why this war is happening Israel's existence, yes. 5
Communion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Dephira said: Not the “pro peace and ceasefire” crowd immediately revealing that what they really wanted was bigger missiles to be shot at Israel "Hmm odd you hate Israel killing 30,000 Palestinians and ethnically cleansing all of Gaza to defend its border (...) yet are fine with Lebanon threatening to defend its borders from Israel??" Keep in mind no one is even celebrating anything, as the reports aren't even indicating LEBANON is the one being an aggressor here. The original i24 news report that started these rumors claims Israel is positioning itself to escalate conflict with Lebanon to the north in hopes of drawing more support from America. Israel can literally egg on its neighbors into a full regional war and you still have European and Western liberals like "HMMM I BET YOU'RE HAPPY TO SEE JEW BLOOD BE SPILLED!! GUESS YOU DON'T ACTUALLY LIKE CEASEFIRES!!!!". You're literally ******* insane. What benefit do Israeli citizens gain from their own government trying to expand conflict now to all borders surrounding them? To fulfill the paranoia that all Arabs hate them? I thought the line was "Palestinians are so awful none of their brothers in any neighboring country want them!"? And your only initial thought to any of this is "ha! I knew I was right to defend Gazan children being killed all along!!"?? This constant genocide apologia is just... you are the weakest German. Fascism likely runs through your literal lineage and blood. I'm literally going to move to a swing state within the next 10 months and write your username in as my vote for president in November. Edited January 28 by Communion 2
Specter Posted January 28 Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Aristotle said: Lucky I don't live in Lebanon or Israel so I don't have to worry, I kinda feel sorry ... some of y'all are depraved. Honestly. 6
Aethereal Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Just now, Phantom said: ... some of y'all are depraved. Honestly. Not you cutting off the part I said I feel sorry for the victims that will become. I was obviously talking about my personal safety that I don't have to worry. Meanwhile zero quotes from any of those upvoting or cheering on Hezbollah. Bye!
Aethereal Posted January 28 Posted January 28 "I kinda feel sorry" means "I rather feel sorry". "Kinda" has 2 different meanings.
Communion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) Screeching about the threat of Lebanon saying "we'll **** your **** up if you ever dare" from the very people fine with the US sentencing thousands upon thousands of civilians to death via famine in the latest escalation of collective punishment. Edited January 28 by Communion
ClashAndBurn Posted January 28 Posted January 28 46 minutes ago, Communion said: Screeching about the threat of Lebanon saying "we'll **** your **** up if you ever dare" from the very people fine with the US sentencing thousands upon thousands of civilians to death via famine in the latest escalation of collective punishment. Re: the UNRWA defunding, other countries like Canada are following Biden's lead. All to retaliate against the ICJ ruling. Actually wild and depraved of him for doing this. 2
Luckitty Posted January 28 Posted January 28 It's so obvious that the israel & the west are trying to shift the focus from the ICJ ruling by accusing UNRWA members of being terrorists with no evidence mind you israel consider any Palestinian or pro-Palestine organization to be "terrorists", some of the "terrorist" organizations according to israel: 1. Committee for Charity and Support for the Palestinians (a charity that provides aid for Palestinians in Palestine, Lebanon & Jordan) 2. Defence for Children International 3. Union of Agricultural Work Committees (a Palestinian non-profit organization that was established in 1986 to improve the performance and professionalism of Palestinian farmers) 4. Union of Palestinian Women's Committees (a Palestinian non-profit organization founded in 1980 to empower Palestinian women) 5. Interpal [Palestinian Relief and Development Fund] 6. Bisan Center for Research and Development (an organization that supports Palestinian women through youth organizations, feminist institutions, and community-based organization in marginalized and rural areas in Palestine) 7. Al-Haq (a Palestinian human rights organization that documents human rights violations committed by Israel) 8. Addameer Prisoner Support and Human Rights Association (an organization that monitors Israel's treatment of Palestinian prisoners and provides legal assistance) Israel has accused all of these organizations of terrorism without providing any evidence, and many of them got their funding cut by western countries.. sounds familiar? 3
HungryByTheBuffet Posted January 28 Posted January 28 2 hours ago, Luckitty said: It's so obvious that the israel & the west are trying to shift the focus from the ICJ ruling by accusing UNRWA members of being terrorists with no evidence mind you israel consider any Palestinian or pro-Palestine organization to be "terrorists", some of the "terrorist" organizations according to israel: 1. Committee for Charity and Support for the Palestinians (a charity that provides aid for Palestinians in Palestine, Lebanon & Jordan) 2. Defence for Children International 3. Union of Agricultural Work Committees (a Palestinian non-profit organization that was established in 1986 to improve the performance and professionalism of Palestinian farmers) 4. Union of Palestinian Women's Committees (a Palestinian non-profit organization founded in 1980 to empower Palestinian women) 5. Interpal [Palestinian Relief and Development Fund] 6. Bisan Center for Research and Development (an organization that supports Palestinian women through youth organizations, feminist institutions, and community-based organization in marginalized and rural areas in Palestine) 7. Al-Haq (a Palestinian human rights organization that documents human rights violations committed by Israel) 8. Addameer Prisoner Support and Human Rights Association (an organization that monitors Israel's treatment of Palestinian prisoners and provides legal assistance) Israel has accused all of these organizations of terrorism without providing any evidence, and many of them got their funding cut by western countries.. sounds familiar? Drop the fantasy, according to UN's own Guterres at least 9 staffers were directly involved in Oct7, one is dead, 2 missing https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/guterres-un-punish-staffers-involved-terror-urges-unrwa-funding-2024-01-28/ There's evidence of other involvements between Hamas and UNRWA, but apparently some clear proof and investigation was brought to the table... Multiple countries have ceased funding to the UNRWA as a result, some saying they will funnel the money through other channels, ones without terrorist ties I guess. 3
Luckitty Posted January 28 Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said: Drop the fantasy, according to UN's own Guterres at least 9 staffers were directly involved in Oct7, one is dead, 2 missing https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/guterres-un-punish-staffers-involved-terror-urges-unrwa-funding-2024-01-28/ There's evidence of other involvements between Hamas and UNRWA, but apparently some clear proof and investigation was brought to the table... Multiple countries have ceased funding to the UNRWA as a result, some saying they will funnel the money through other channels, ones without terrorist ties I guess. Evidence? I also want you to provide evidence for the 8 organizations i listed
BorderBoy Posted January 28 Posted January 28 3 hours ago, Luckitty said: It's so obvious that the israel & the west are trying to shift the focus from the ICJ ruling by accusing UNRWA members of being terrorists with no evidence mind you israel consider any Palestinian or pro-Palestine organization to be "terrorists", some of the "terrorist" organizations according to israel: 1. Committee for Charity and Support for the Palestinians (a charity that provides aid for Palestinians in Palestine, Lebanon & Jordan) 2. Defence for Children International 3. Union of Agricultural Work Committees (a Palestinian non-profit organization that was established in 1986 to improve the performance and professionalism of Palestinian farmers) 4. Union of Palestinian Women's Committees (a Palestinian non-profit organization founded in 1980 to empower Palestinian women) 5. Interpal [Palestinian Relief and Development Fund] 6. Bisan Center for Research and Development (an organization that supports Palestinian women through youth organizations, feminist institutions, and community-based organization in marginalized and rural areas in Palestine) 7. Al-Haq (a Palestinian human rights organization that documents human rights violations committed by Israel) 8. Addameer Prisoner Support and Human Rights Association (an organization that monitors Israel's treatment of Palestinian prisoners and provides legal assistance) Israel has accused all of these organizations of terrorism without providing any evidence, and many of them got their funding cut by western countries.. sounds familiar? Next: Israel accuses ICJ of being a terrorist organization lol
BorderBoy Posted January 28 Posted January 28 41 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said: Drop the fantasy, according to UN's own Guterres at least 9 staffers were directly involved in Oct7, one is dead, 2 missing https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/guterres-un-punish-staffers-involved-terror-urges-unrwa-funding-2024-01-28/ There's evidence of other involvements between Hamas and UNRWA, but apparently some clear proof and investigation was brought to the table... Multiple countries have ceased funding to the UNRWA as a result, some saying they will funnel the money through other channels, ones without terrorist ties I guess. So let's say it's correct, why take an action now? The only reason Israel is making a fuss about it now is that they don't want to be seen violating international law (lol) and so they wanna find justifications of bombing UNRWA schools (something they've done since the beginning of the aggression) by saying they have links to Hamas or whatever. Clearly, Israel and the West are working hard to shift international attention from the fact that Israel is now globally and officially labelled as a genocidal state with lots of bloods on its leaders' hands. 6
Jjang Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BorderBoy said: So let's say it's correct, why take an action now? The only reason Israel is making a fuss about it now is that they don't want to be seen violating international law (lol) and so they wanna find justifications of bombing UNRWA schools (something they've done since the beginning of the aggression) by saying they have links to Hamas or whatever. Clearly, Israel and the West are working hard to shift international attention from the fact that Israel is now globally and officially labelled as a genocidal state with lots of bloods on its leaders' hands. They’ve been doing this since forever. in 2022 they confiscated the majority of human rights organizations in Ramallah (which they are not allowed to do, according to international law) under the pretense that they were doing so to combat terrorism. Edited January 28 by Jjang 4
Luckitty Posted January 28 Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, BorderBoy said: So let's say it's correct, why take an action now? The only reason Israel is making a fuss about it now is that they don't want to be seen violating international law (lol) and so they wanna find justifications of bombing UNRWA schools (something they've done since the beginning of the aggression) by saying they have links to Hamas or whatever. Clearly, Israel and the West are working hard to shift international attention from the fact that Israel is now globally and officially labelled as a genocidal state with lots of bloods on its leaders' hands. Exactly, somehow they just found out that apparently 12 UNRWA workers allegedly participated in Oct 7? 112 days after it happened? Make it make sense 2 minutes ago, Jjang said: They’ve been doing this since forever. in 2022 they confiscated the majority of human rights organizations in Ramallah (which they are not allowed to do, according to international law) under the pretense that they were doing so to combat terrorism. they also accuse innocnet Palestinians they murder or arrest of being terrorists to justify their actions and Islamophobia plays a huge role in that, because they can accuse any muslim of being a terrorist and racists would 100% believe it without needing any proof it makes me so mad how Islamophobia is not taken seriously at all despite Muslims being the most persecuted group of people around the world for so many decades now, muslims have been facing genocides all around the world and no one seems to care 3
Harrier Posted January 28 Posted January 28 I think the left is adopting the wrong argument here with this denialism. The UNRWA has thousands of employees - the fact that some small number may have participated in Oct 7th is in no way impossible or even unlikely. This doesn't mean its an arm of Hamas or even that it's corrupt - it just means it employs a lot of Palestinians. If Israel is going to argue it's worthy of cutting funding, it should present evidence of widespread corruption, not of a dozen employees out of 30,000 participating in violence. Cutting off aid to an essential organisation that is keeping Palestinians alive is a wildly disproportionate and unconsciable action. Better to make that argument than attempt to do denialism, when the evidence may be damning for those individuals we don't know, and thus play in to Israel's framing.
BorderBoy Posted January 28 Posted January 28 27 minutes ago, Jjang said: They’ve been doing this since forever. in 2022 they confiscated the majority of human rights organizations in Ramallah (which they are not allowed to do, according to international law) under the pretense that they were doing so to combat terrorism. Nothing that Israel does is allowed by international law, in the West Bank, there's no Hamas authority whatsoever, yet, there are constantly daily raids, killings, detentions, home demolition and land seizing and most importantly settlements expansion everywhere to the point that life there has become miserable and unbearable. Add to that that Netanyahu publicly and proudly said that he opposes a Palestinian state. Idk how the world doesn't seen that Israel is the actual problem and has always been in this question? They don't want to live with peace with anyone, they want to have every little piece of land they can grab in any way. 2
Harrier Posted January 28 Posted January 28 10 hours ago, Aristotle said: Not you guys being curious or happy about the outcome in Lebanon. I hope Hezbollah stops attacking Israel, you'll be crying for a ceasefire in several weeks. The language speaking to Hezbollah's strength compared to Israel's weakness, the eagerness and glibness about escalation is just typical chauvinism - no different to right wingers who do it anywhere else. Nevermind the immense danger that full scale war between Hezbollah and Israel poses to civillians on both sides. Putting aside Israel entirely, if members cared one iota about the people of Lebanon they would call for descalation immediately. Wish that the more sensible members would speak on this mess, but they don't
BorderBoy Posted January 28 Posted January 28 22 minutes ago, Luckitty said: Exactly, somehow they just found out that apparently 12 UNRWA workers allegedly participated in Oct 7? 112 days after it happened? Make it make sense they also accuse innocnet Palestinians they murder or arrest of being terrorists to justify their actions and Islamophobia plays a huge role in that, because they can accuse any muslim of being a terrorist and racists would 100% believe it without needing any proof it makes me so mad how Islamophobia is not taken seriously at all despite Muslims being the most persecuted group of people around the world for so many decades now, muslims have been facing genocides all around the world and no one seems to care These are all excuses to justify genocide against Palestinians. Add racism to Islamophobia, because, and you can search it, how many Israelis were actually shot or killed by Israeli forces because the soldiers thought they looked like Arabs/Palestinians? This is scary and dangerous and it's backed by their governments and that should make you think. 1
Harrier Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Y'all misinterpreting his statement here, idk whether intentionally or not. He says "the right number of civillian deaths is zero" not the "true" number. What this means in context is that the morally correct number of civillian deaths is zero. He is saying Israel should strive for fewer civillian deaths. It is clear if you actually watch the clip. I don't agree with his overall argument and I do agree Israel is committing genocide, but that's besides the point here. The thread should be closed I fear 6 1
Luckitty Posted January 28 Posted January 28 this is the reason why Israel has been trying to end UNRWA for decades, so that they can end the right of return for Palestinians 3
Communion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Harrier said: Y'all misinterpreting his statement here, idk whether intentionally or not. He says "the right number of civillian deaths is zero" not the "true" number. What this means in context is that the morally correct number of civillian deaths is zero. He is saying Israel should strive for fewer civillian deaths. It is clear if you actually watch the clip. I don't agree with his overall argument and I do agree Israel is committing genocide, but that's besides the point here. The thread should be closed I fear One could be applied grace over misinterpreting his word salad given he literally denies the ICJ ruling that found Israel is potentially committing genocide in literally his next breath. Tomato, tamato is still genocide denial. Edited January 28 by Communion 2
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