HungryByTheBuffet Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Even if in some world keeping Bibi in power would be good for Palestine () what about Israelis? There were 7 million Israelis protesting to remove him and the current corrupt government that was most obviously rigged to exist from power right until before this war began, and the protests are starting again now, if Biden wants to help Israel and play daddy he needs to ass has anite him, it's gonna take lots of years for a new secular liberal government to make changes that have impact that represent the population anyway... 7 million people and that's according to a right-wing Israeli media source so the number could be even higher, and people who could not protest/chose to do so in other ways basically make up the rest of the sum of the population, of course there are racists, extremists, people who are very nationalist, or maybe they've lost a family member to a heinous act and think with their feelings, and they actually like Bibi, but should biden be excusing that and dismissing the population of the entire land at once when it's clear NO one wants him there?
Kasix Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Here is a solution no body has ever thought of, you guys ready? israel should build artificial islands just off of the Gaza Strip and let the Palestinians live on it. 5
Johnny Cash Posted January 20 Posted January 20 "lesser of two evils" people are such s They are responsible for this
Specter Posted January 20 Posted January 20 8 hours ago, DAP said: Well I can actually, and will continue to Actually, I would like to look at it. In 4K, and preferably with some snacks. Before certain people crawl out of the woodworks to act all ~aghast, consider that media is largely ever uninterested in writing about Palestinian mental health I have yet to see MSM chronicle what decades of torture can do to a population, and I know why they would never write an article like this — kHaMaS (& the dozens of other former and currently "moderate" groups working within the Palestinian resistance) becomes a lot less easier to demonize if you say, write about the mental toll it takes to witness children being bombed, executed, and your literal generational homes be razed to the ground. So yea. Thoughts and prayers to these distressed Israeli soldiers :( When is Tel-Aviv pride? Maybe they can have a Martini there 5
Varrock Posted January 20 Posted January 20 3 hours ago, Danny789 said: Well anyone with intelligence will understand that what caused the horrible attacks is the lack of a two state solution. Palestinian leaders and every Arab country surrounding Israel have explicitly stated on numerous occasions that they refuse a two state solution and will not stop until Israel and the Jews are wiped. So yes, what now? 1
playwithme Posted January 20 Posted January 20 5 hours ago, Zefierce said: He is the embodiment of Homophobic memes are a new low for HamasTRL. I’m pretty sure that evangelical Republicans who are screaming about turning Gaza into a parking lot will be more sympathetic to the two-state solution than Biden. As I’ve said before, Biden should completely ditch the far-left like Keir Starmer and go after former Republicans on the center-right that loathe Trump. Roughly 70% of Haley voters say that they will vote for Biden. The far-left will never be satisfied, and appeasing a marginal fraction of extreme voters is pointless. We are seeing tons of whining from the unhinged British far-left about the “one-party” state, but the reality is that Keir Starmer is on track to score a historic victory later this year. Biden is being bogged down by the far-left, and the appeasement of the far-left will only result in another Trump term. 1 8
rihannafan Posted January 20 Posted January 20 41 minutes ago, playwithme said: Homophobic memes are a new low for HamasTRL. I’m pretty sure that evangelical Republicans who are screaming about turning Gaza into a parking lot will be more sympathetic to the two-state solution than Biden. As I’ve said before, Biden should completely ditch the far-left like Keir Starmer and go after former Republicans on the center-right that loathe Trump. Roughly 70% of Haley voters say that they will vote for Biden. The far-left will never be satisfied, and appeasing a marginal fraction of extreme voters is pointless. We are seeing tons of whining from the unhinged British far-left about the “one-party” state, but the reality is that Keir Starmer is on track to score a historic victory later this year. Biden is being bogged down by the far-left, and the appeasement of the far-left will only result in another Trump term. What appeasement to the far left? The ****?
ClashAndBurn Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 57 minutes ago, playwithme said: appeasement of the far-left Utterly delusional. The most detached-from-reality take I've ever seen. To think Biden has done ANY appeasement of the far-left when him and his party have done everything possible to thumb their noses at the left for EIGHT ******* YEARS 57 minutes ago, playwithme said: Biden should completely ditch the far-left like Keir Starmer and go after former Republicans on the center-right that loathe Trump. He literally already did this in 2020, and Republicans went all in on Donald Trump anyway. He only appealed to the left with false promises to trick young voters into turning out for the two frauds in Georgia to make it through their Senate runoffs. The instant they won, $2k checks for everyone turned into $1.2k means-tested "relief" Edited January 20 by ClashAndBurn 4
Lil Mxnster Posted January 20 Posted January 20 It doesn't matter what he does or says as long as he doesn't apologise for tenderly hugging Zionist Netanyahu only 24 hours after the Israel's government bombed a Gaza hospital, killing hundreds of civilians. Such an hypocrite!
Luckitty Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) will the west ever realize that israel is a jewish supremacist colony, and that its citizens are also jewish supremacists? we (actual middle easterners) have known that since the 1940s, but somehow westerners don't see that, probably because of all the israeli propaganda in the west for some reason a lot of people think that israelis are innocent who have nothing to do with their government, as if they didn't elect said government and as if they don't live in stolen land these are just a few of countless of houses & lands that were stolen from Palestinians, for some reason people don't realize that the Nakba wasn't just committed by armed zionist militias but also by normal civilians who participated in the theft of Palestinian land & property Edited January 20 by Luckitty 1
State of Grace. Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) Sick and twisted. Not even the dead are spared from the terrorist Israeli occupation army Edited January 20 by State of Grace.
Luckitty Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Israel continues to promote anti-Arab racism & islamophobia in order to gain support from racists in europe & america now it makes a lot of sesne that most of the israel defenders on this site have a history of islamophobic & anti-arab racist posts 7
Jjang Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) On 1/19/2024 at 8:16 PM, ZIVERT said: This is actually fake news. While it is indeed classless to make comparisons between deaths (as you have done before, prompting the response you received from me in September), you should know by now that the siege of Mariupol City alone resulted in the death of ~25,000 civilians due to indiscriminate bombing and shooting from Russian invaders. Civilian deaths, no matter the amount, are a tragedy. Ukraine recognizes Palestinian sovereignty. Ukraine has a Palestinian embassy in Kyiv. Ukraine has a history of abstaining from supporting Israel in UN votes due to its own history with occupation. And yet all Ukrainians receive in return from so-called “pro-Palestine activists” (most of which aren’t Palestinians, but agitators far removed from either conflict) is downplaying, denialism, and even outright celebration and legitimization of Russian aggression. Of course, solidarity is not supposed to be transactional, but it’s interesting how the QuranAnon camp on ATRL continues to use the plight of Ukrainians as some sort of “gotcha” moment against me (the obsession ) and then want to clutch their pearls when they receive the same energy. As I’ve stated from the beginning, there is no excuse for the continued occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, or the belligerent rhetoric from the fascist Israeli government towards Palestine and Palestinians. Just as there is no excuse for the raping, murdering, beheading, and kidnapping of Israeli and foreign civilians by Hamas. My opinion hasn’t changed. You can say I’m a bad person if you wish - you’re entitled to think so, as how you perceive my view of the conflict (not just the war) doesn’t necessarily align with your lived reality. That’s valid. I don’t have a personal issue with you - you have skin in the game as a Palestinian citizen of Israel. I even remember having this conversation with you a year ago, before the above comment you referenced. But I will not allow your pain to be weaponized as a tool to delegitimize my pain, by people who are unrelated to either conflict. I realize that I’ve done this to you, and whether it was done out of frustration or not, it isn’t fair. I apologize for the inflammatory comments I’ve directed at you. It's not fake news and your response wasn't prompted by me "making comparisons between deaths". It was you making unnecessary comparisons between Ukrainian and Palestinian deaths as a response to @Communion who was emphasizing the wild ratio between civilian deaths on the Palestinian side in comparison to the Israeli side. A point that gives you a universe of context but you chose to swiftly dismiss it 'cause it challenged your "Israel cares for human lives, unlike Russia" argument - an argument that you know very well was made in bad faith and ironically now in hindsight aged horrendously bad yet you're not willing to own up to it. I mean, it is an illogical comparison first of all because the 2014 Gaza war and the invasion of Ukraine are two wars completely different in nature, timeline, and goals. It would make much more sense to compare that war to the 1967 war where Israel killed 20,000+ in 5 days while suffering fewer than 1,000 casualties of their own. But aside from that point, it demonstrates that you perfectly understand Russia's war crimes and occupation of Ukraine are utterly indefensible under any circumstance, but you epically fail to extend the same understanding towards Palestine. So my issue with you here is not personal either, it's just that witnessing the glaring double standard in real-time is nuts. Also, I don't know who it is you're referring to, but unless it's not clear - I'm unequivocally 100% on Ukraine's side. And if anyone here disagrees I'm surely not cosigning that opinion. From what I've mostly seen and from what I believe, the main issue regarding Palestine/Ukraine is the political and media bias and double standard in terms of how the reality on the ground is reported on and contextualized. It's very a simple point: Palestine = Ukraine Russia = Israel It's just to reach a focal point of solidarity/understanding that both of these groups are the ultimate victims in these wars, but only one group is treated as such in the media. To merely point out this glaring double standard is not to be against Ukrainian liberation. Aside from within this context, I usually refrain from comparing these two wars because they're very different - but that doesn't take away from the ultimate bottom-line truth that Ukrainians and Palestinians are the victims. That's it. Edited January 20 by Jjang 6
LIT Posted January 20 Posted January 20 19 hours ago, Communion said: Biden in this video denying that Netanyahu has openly opposed a Palestinian state... Only for Netanyahu himself to tweet this the very next day: 1
HeavyMetalAura Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Dumb question for you guys. I admittedly know very little about this conflict and would consider myself largely ignorant on it. I’ve read a couple - what I believe to be - unbiased summaries of the conflict, both sides views, what caused it, why it’s escalated so much recently, etc - but as a young voter in the US I’m trying to figure out my perspective on this. I’d say I’m voting Biden regardless simply because I need to worry about myself as a gay man and I truly fear for what a Trump dictatorship would mean for my community (and I am sure Trump would have no issue “supporting a genocide,” as I’ve seen people say Biden is doing, if it benefited him) but I still want to understand this the best I can. Can I ask you guys exactly what you think the President of the US should do in response to this conflict? In the ideal world, what’s the best and most appropriate response you’d want from the POTUS, if any? Forgive me for making this conflict discussion US-centric; mods, if this is a question I should ask in the US Election thread instead, please move or delete my comment. I’m just trying to understand it from my limited US-centric view given our leadership is - from my understanding - playing a big role in this conflict. TIA for anyone who will take the time to share their thoughts.
ClashAndBurn Posted January 21 Posted January 21 “Good thing Israelis are good-hearted people who have regard for human life during a conflict!” …or something like that 1
ClashAndBurn Posted January 21 Posted January 21 22 hours ago, playwithme said: ditch the far-left like Keir Starmer Seems like Starmer can’t make up his mind either
Aethereal Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) I support a two state solution with pre-1967 borders. Quote In December 2022, support for a two-state solution was 33% among Palestinians, 34% among Israeli Jews, and 60% among Israeli Arabs. 82% of Israeli Jews and 75% of Palestinians believed that the other side would never accept the existence of their independent state. A significant minority of them support this (1/3), so there is some overlap. I think giving larger territory to Gaza (it's overcrowded) and removing all or most of 450,000 Israelis from West Bank would be a good start to increase the percentage to over 50%. The one state supporters overwhelmingly include ethnic cleanse on both sides. Edited January 21 by Aristotle
BletaRexher Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) But we’re funding Israel because they’re fighting the “terrorists”. Israel is also a terrorist state but it’s okay because they’re America’s home base for oil. It’s all about money, land of the free my ******* ass. All America is now is a state that sucks out resources from all over the world in the name of being “peace keepers”. Just to give all the money to billionaires and not give a single **** about its citizens who are struggling because we’re all being ****** by this dystopian late stage capitalism society. Buying a home used to be attainable by everyone now it’s a luxury. I feel so ******* free right now living pay check to pay check. Edited January 21 by BletaRexher 7
Blue Monday Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Why is it that Israel sympathizers are allowed to portray themselves as “scared” and “terrified” yet they’re the only people I see antagonizing whatever situation they find themselves in? You can’t make this up 9
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