news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Cloröx]

23 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

"I can excuse murdering babies but I draw the line at beheading them"

Classic move by Zionist, when they get caught for lying and making up story now they shift to another topic. From the very beginning we condemn violence from both sides but we hardly seeing Zionist dragging IDF doing that 

[Cloröx]

1 minute ago, Delirious said:

So you admit that you believe that all the claims from rape victims are false? And you believe that they're lying for propaganda?

 

Oh wait I forgot you need a video/photos so you know it's real.

 

Well fortunately for you, there is infact videos of it ironically filmed by Hamas themselves.

 

WARNING NSFW!!

 

 

Of course we need evidence considering Israel has long ass history for making up story. I mean we learnt it from the assassination of Shireen Abu Akleh.

[Delirious]

3 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

Classic move by Zionist, when they get caught for lying and making up story now they shift to another topic. From the very beginning we condemn violence from both sides but we hardly seeing Zionist dragging IDF doing that 

You're disgusting. First of all I am not a Zionist. Second of all I literally wrote this:

 

Third of all, I do not support Hamas OR Israel's actions.

 

1 minute ago, Cloröx said:

Of course we need evidence considering Israel has long ass history for making up story. I mean we learnt it from the assassination of Shireen Abu Akleh.

And 4th of all you're absolutely disgusting for saying that the rape victims were 'made up stories'. Disgusting.

[Delirious]

You know someone can't argue with you properly when they immediately attack you by calling you a 'zionist' LOL. And its even funnier when you use to be an ex Muslim.

 

And add on to the fact that they think rape victims are 'made up stories' 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Delirious

[bunnyeyes]

As someone who actually went to Harvard and has spent the last day seeing some of the kindest, gentlest people I know be stalked, harassed, and attacked for even being part of one of the organizations that signed the letter

 *last year* before the letter was ever even signed,  (which mind you included non political groups such as a dance troupe), I can’t even begin to express how much this has added to the pain of the last few days. I know one of the letter’s writers and know that they are one of the kindest, most selfless people I’ve ever met. I do believe the letter lacked a strong condemnation of Hamas and was poorly articulated and missing context such as Netanyahu’s support of bolstering Hamas, but I can unequivocally say this person would *never ever* support rape or murder, nor work for a billionaire if you begged them. This person is someone who would give you their shirt off their back if you needed one and has touched the lives of so many with their volunteer work. A terrifying truck is currently harassing campus with pictures of them and other students with false accusations. I am so scared the terrible violence abroad is going to keep heightening worldwide and the people making death threats are going to harm the people I love. 

Edited October 12, 2023 by IvyTower

[JustLikeHoney]

44 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

  

It's extremely sickening and I think that's why maybe a spoiler tag along with a disclaimer warning should be a must when posting any of these videos? ...

Look at these f_cking cowards. And some people in here saying it's not bad when regular Palestinians support Hamas. 

[HungryByTheBuffet]

  

8 hours ago, Cloröx said:

Classic move by Zionist, when they get caught for lying and making up story now they shift to another topic. From the very beginning we condemn violence from both sides but we hardly seeing Zionist dragging IDF doing that 

Classic move by 8 year olds, resorting to name calling when questioned? lol

1. Just because there are people that would not condemn the after-mentioned horrific acts when done to "enemies" that fact alone does not rid you of the overall moral standards humanity has set for themselves and others, you set your own boundaries at the end of the day but other people and users are obviously going to question them when they're trivializing boundaries that are very clear to most humans.

2. You're escaping any point you may hold and want to explain by escaping any actual discussion and just generalizing me and other users who question you as one and the same as the very worst that come from a place in which innocent people live(d) who are the ones for which we are sympathetic for

 

take some steps back and rethink it, there's no valid points you can make for trying to justify the aforementioned horrors, idk what else to say.

Edited October 12, 2023 by HungryByTheBuffet

[Cloröx]

21 minutes ago, Delirious said:

You're disgusting. First of all I am not a Zionist. Second of all I literally wrote this:

 

Third of all, I do not support Hamas OR Israel's actions.

 

And 4th of all you're absolutely disgusting for saying that the rape victims were 'made up stories'. Disgusting.

Like I said we need concrete evidences instead of empty claims since it's serious matter

[Cloröx]

4 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

  

Classic move by 8 years old, resorting to name calling when questioned? lol

1. Just because there are people that would not condom the after-mentioned horrific acts when done to "enemies" that fact alone does not rid you of the overall moral standards humanity has set for themselves and others, you set your own boundaries at the end of the day but other people and users are obviously going to question them when they're trivializing boundaries that are very clear to most humans.

2. You're escaping any point you may hold and want to explain by escaping any actual discussion and just generalizing me and other users who question you as one and the same coming from the worst that come from a place in which innocent people live(d) for which we are sympathetic for

 

take some steps back and rethink it, there's no valid points you can make for trying to justify the aforementioned horrors, idk what else to say.

I've been following this conflict on ATRL for years including previous one in 2021, and I've criticized both sides. Now it's your turn to do the same thing on IDF instead of being back and forth

[besaid]

37 minutes ago, Scars said:

Well, I said palestinians living in the West have a hard time speaking about the palestinian struggle without being heavily policed and/or punished for doing so, nothing on your post actually negates that.

 

The resistance of palestinian people against the Israel regime is definitely something to be praised, but I see that you're trying to frame the use of "palestinian resistance" as a possible nod to the actions of HAMAS in the context of the statement

 

HAMAS are the elected leaders of the palestinians in Gaza. Lets not distance them as if they're some unrelated group. Palestinians overwhelmingly support and approve of them. They are the armed resistance that letter is talking about. The letter was sent out the day of the attacks - who else was "resisting" that day and at that time? And which Israelis were they "resisting" against, the kids they killed? The letter is abominable and everyone who signed something that extreme should be held accountable. If they didn't read it before signing it...hello you're lawyers in training at Harvard, get a clue.

[HungryByTheBuffet]

14 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

I've been following this conflict on ATRL for years including previous one in 2021, and I've criticized both sides. Now it's your turn to do the same thing on IDF instead of being back and forth

There isn't an army I wouldn't criticize since I'm against the very basics of the idea, so then what then? I would condemn the after-mentioned horrors no matter who they were done by, and it's clear as day Israel's handling of Gaza is terrible and led to this situation clearly.

 

If instead of the disengagement from Gaza while leaving only soldiers and national security individuals there they instead did not disengage and put forth proper resources into actual education there whilst reducing radicalization so the next generation would be able to properly coexist alongside Israel whilst creating infrastructures of their own and becoming independent while voting for more moderate 'parties', which is when disengagement would have been proper leaving both sides be more accepting to the other, we would have seen very different events nowadays, but Israel clearly had no prospect and chose violence and "fighting back" rather than seeing the bigger picture.

That's my take.

 

Yet before I believe any of these nuances I believe ISIS styled executions of civilian families, party goers, babies, and raping girls, are wrong, it's an instinctive belief that comes before concepts such as "Israel, Palestine, Gaza, Hamas" do.

[besaid]

46 minutes ago, IvyTower said:

As someone who actually went to Harvard and has spent the last day seeing some of the kindest, gentlest people I know be stalked, harassed, and attacked for even being part of one of the organizations that signed the letter

 *last year* before the letter was ever even signed,  (which mind you included non political groups such as a dance troupe), I can’t even begin to express how much this has added to the pain of the last few days. I know one of the letter’s writers and know that they are one of the kindest, most selfless people I’ve ever met. I do believe the letter lacked a strong condemnation of Hamas and was poorly articulated and missing context such as Netanyahu’s support of bolstering Hamas, but I can unequivocally say this person would *never ever* support rape or murder, nor work for a billionaire if you begged them. This person is someone who would give you their shirt off their back if you needed one and has touched the lives of so many with their volunteer work. A terrifying truck is currently harassing campus with pictures of them and other students with false accusations. I am so scared the terrible violence abroad is going to keep heightening worldwide and the people making death threats are going to harm the people I love. 

Come on. I read that letter and got chills. It's as ice cold evil of a response as you could have after hundreds of innocent Jews get massacred in the single worst attack on our people since the Holocaust. Those letters are very carefully crafted. There's no universe in which the killers and the victims got left out on accident. This line really says it all, "The coming days will require a firm stand against colonial retaliation." I mean my god, smearing the dead as colonizers and then running and hiding once the full scope of the violence is on tv and social media everywhere and acting like this is all innocent? 

 

I'm sure there are instances like your friend who signed on without reading it or their student org idiotically signed without consulting but the leadership of all of those orgs should resign or stand their ground and defend this mess. This university produces future judges, legislators and prosecutors so its important that their public behavior be scrutinized (especially when its this cruel).

Edited October 12, 2023 by besaid

[Scars]

47 minutes ago, besaid said:

HAMAS are the elected leaders of the palestinians in Gaza. Lets not distance them as if they're some unrelated group. Palestinians overwhelmingly support and approve of them. They are the armed resistance that letter is talking about. The letter was sent out the day of the attacks - who else was "resisting" that day and at that time? And which Israelis were they "resisting" against, the kids they killed? The letter is abominable and everyone who signed something that extreme should be held accountable. If they didn't read it before signing it...hello you're lawyers in training at Harvard, get a clue.

So, you decided to bold the part that I've mentioned your talking point, but conveniently left out the part that I ask you to explain to us what part of the statement back up your claim. Why is that? Why can't your answer which exact part of the text a "palestinian resistance" is "praised" or even addressed at all? 

 

Yeah, no. I won't entertain this. You're out here literally endorsing the harassment of college-aged students from a historically oppressed group because you believe they deserve "accountability" and even randomly down-voted a post from a personal friend of one these students simply because that member shared with us their worry for the safety of their friend. To make things even worse, you can't even point to us which part of the statement explicitly endorses and/or call for violence.

 

There's a huge difference between criticizing a statement that you don't agree with and cheering on students being threatened because you think their words can be "confusing" for the zionist mob. It really makes us put into perspective all the eassys written by other members here about pro-palestinian supporters being the ones looking for "vengeance".

Edited October 12, 2023 by Scars

[ClashAndBurn]

11 hours ago, airplane said:

Oh please… go gaslight someone else

That's genuinely all some of these folks know how to do  

[Chemist]

8 hours ago, Riot said:

People justifying the cut of water supply to Gaza with "they'll have to accept it if they don't want to be bombed"...

Or the incredibly stupid "Gaza wants to be independent but still depends on Israel to supply water!!!11"

[Capris Groove]

3 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Joe Biden is a radical Zionist terrorist

[Chemist]

 

 

[Chemist]

Are we surprised?

 

[Gov Hooka]

2 hours ago, besaid said:

Come on. I read that letter and got chills. It's as ice cold evil of a response as you could have after hundreds of innocent Jews get massacred in the single worst attack on our people since the Holocaust. Those letters are very carefully crafted. There's no universe in which the killers and the victims got left out on accident. This line really says it all, "The coming days will require a firm stand against colonial retaliation." I mean my god, smearing the dead as colonizers and then running and hiding once the full scope of the violence is on tv and social media everywhere and acting like this is all innocent? 

 

I'm sure there are instances like your friend who signed on without reading it or their student org idiotically signed without consulting but the leadership of all of those orgs should resign or stand their ground and defend this mess. This university produces future judges, legislators and prosecutors so its important that their public behavior be scrutinized (especially when its this cruel).

Imagine thinking that letter is bad and not the absolute genocidal destruction Israel is wreaking on Gaza at this very moment. You guys are sick. 

[campelo]

is BBC a good source to be updated? 

[Chemist]

 

I like the statement of the UN more than the US/EU. It is important to condemn both sides in the same sentence, at least as an official organization

[Kassi]

7 hours ago, Scars said:

“in a fair world, Israel would’ve probably been built on some land in The Americas, maybe even Alaska”. Damn, indigenous people everywhere just aren’t safe from the bullshit, are they? 

I shared the piece. It’s not that deep. The sentiment is basically that Europe or the US could have allotted the Jews a small piece of their VAST country, like Mormons in Utah.

 

The piece was in fact nuanced and thoughtful.

 

At it’s core, it’s always been a refugee/immigration crisis. The fact that y’all fail to connect Jewish migration out of Europe with literal genocide is troubling. Israel was a result of about 10% “neo-colonialism” and 90% Hitler.

[ClashAndBurn]

6 minutes ago, Kassi said:

I shared the piece. It’s not that deep. The sentiment is basically that Europe or the US could have allotted the Jews a small piece of their VAST country, like Mormons in Utah.

 

The piece was in fact nuanced and thoughtful.

 

At it’s core, it’s always been a refugee/immigration crisis. The fact that y’all fail to connect Jewish migration out of Europe with literal genocide is troubling. Israel was a result of about 10% “neo-colonialism” and 90% Hitler.

Israel was a result of evangelicals believing that Jews needed to control the Holy Land to bring about the end times. It wasn’t about benevolence to the victims of the Holocaust, but that did provide the excuse for Britain to allocate land that wasn’t legitimately theirs to give.

 

It is noted how eager you are to erase indigenous people from the narrative though. That is the second time you’ve done so in this thread.

[Wooper]

16 hours ago, Michael196 said:

 

 

 

 

A puppet of the American evangelicals 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Wooper

[Kassi]

41 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Israel was a result of evangelicals believing that Jews needed to control the Holy Land to bring about the end times. It wasn’t about benevolence to the victims of the Holocaust, but that did provide the excuse for Britain to allocate land that wasn’t legitimately theirs to give.

 

It is noted how eager you are to erase indigenous people from the narrative though. That is the second time you’ve done so in this thread.

The British didn’t “allocate land”. They allowed immigration of Jews into territories they occupied after a World War. Some 700,000 Jews went to the UK and like 300,000 to British Palestine.

 

Whether it was legitimately theirs or not is irrelevant because that’s not how wars work. Germany was occupied by like 4 allied countries. Japan was occupied by the US. And Italy was forced into major territorial concessions. That’s just the reality. War is not a video game where it ends after defeating the bad guy.

 

And by that point, some 2 million Jewish immigrants had already made it to the US fleeing pogroms, the Holocaust, and other atrocities. 
 

Fact is, Jews encountered discrimination everywhere they went e.g. “no blacks, no Jews, no dogs!”, yet found the grit to build up their isolated communities. In a place like the US, they were a minuscule enough percentage of the population to be left to their own devices (while black Americans took on the brunt of systemic racism). But the main contention in British Palestine was that Jewish immigrants were a large enough portion of the population to rival the Arabs socially, religiously, and economically. Unfortunately, rather than peacefully assimilate the population, local Arab leaders went full Trump. 
 

The British only reached the conclusion of a two state-solution when it became clear one population wanted to annihilate the other. And it was getting messy and expensive to administer the region.
 

Why do you hate immigrants?