news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Bears01]

What Hamas is doing is absolutely barbaric and completely ****** up beyond words, and it’s a nightmare that innocent people have to pay the price for it…..

 

But the way Israel has treated the people of Gaza and the West Bank like caged animals for generations now, it’s not a surprise that so many people have became radicalized and see Israel as their enemy. 
 

Im on the Palestinian people’s side on this issue. Not Hamas, the innocent people who are just trying to live like a normal human being 

[Kitty Kat]

I keep seeing discourse around which tries to make people feel shame for comparing the IDF with Hamas, particularly when calling the IDF terrorists. I'm not sure how that argument can be made when seeing what happened in Huwara a few months ago, and what has happened all the way up until now, from the use of white phosphorus and airstrikes on refugee camps. Yes, Hamas committed atrocities at the concert, absolutely, but I want to understand why people are saying that the actions of the IDF does not constitute terrorism as well? Is it because it is a state entity? We can of course point to the double standards and hypocrisy in reporting and coverage, I just would want to have a deeper delve into this point of view if anyone wants to chip in their two cents. 

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, Harrier said:

We don't have evidence for the beheading of children as of this moment, but y'all need to ******* get your **** together. You really think it is far from the realm of possibility? We know that many children were killed and I have personally seen the video of

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a child having his throat slit

in the streets by Hamas terrorists. We know that beheading is a common part of Islamic terrorism because of its historical Islamic law basis. So it is not hard to imagine.

 

Jumping to apologia for terrorists being your first instinct, before we have evidence, is frankly pretty deranged behaviour, but we have seen it repeatedly on this website since Saturday. I am happy that many users walked back their initial reactions and condemned Hamas, but you can't then complain about people asking for Hamas condemnations when half of twitter and many people on this website continue to jusfify and celebrate their actions, or engage in genocidal rhetoric such as the "from the river to the sea" statement.

 

Word of advice to everyone: stop twisting yourselves into knots to try and defend your "side". It is much easier to just condemn violence and war crimes regardless of their origin.

Saying this again after specifically going after a user or two whose livelihoods have been impacted by Israeli meddling and chaos-creation in the region is weird. Are calls for landback by native Americans genocidal? Are calls for landback by aboriginal Australians genocidal? Would you be comfortable telling an aboriginal Australian that you felt that they were calling for your murder as an Australian settler by calling for self-determination? If not, how do you ground yourself in the grace to project genocidal ambitions onto those whose lives have been uprooted by Israel?

 

These posts continually reek of a Western chauvinism to where part of your disbelief over how anyone could hold Israel and Hamas as equally responsible is rooted in a fundamental belief that the essence of being Israeli and the essence of being Palestinian are inherently different, with one having more inherent worth than the other.

 

You of course don't have to answer, and I don't expect you to, but there's a deeply unsettling venom towards the reality of being critical towards unverified reports and anyone taking caution with government-coordinated media campaigns, and that you don't feel the same way because you don't believe the West does these things. 

 

What happened to the claims babies were being ripped from incubators presented to the UN of all places in 1990? Were weapons of mass destruction ever found after 9/11? Israel is outwardly calling for the genocide of all Gazans, and hoping to be given the greenlight by the powers that finance it. Too many lives are in the balance to just so casually demand people not expect journalists to actually have high standards for the information they vet.

 

 

[Eat The Acid]

36 minutes ago, besaid said:

So then the Pro-palestine side should be the most angry with Hamas yet that's not what I've seen anywhere. The kneejerk reaction was to attack Israel instead.

You think Palestinians care if they’re murdered by Americans instead of Israelis?  

[nooniebao]

Just now, Communion said:

Saying this again after specifically going after a user or two whose livelihoods have been impacted by Israeli meddling and chaos-creation in the region is weird. Are calls for landback by native Americans genocidal? Are calls for landback by aboriginal Australians genocidal? Would you be comfortable telling an aboriginal Australian that you felt that they were calling for your murder as an Australian settler by calling for self-determination? If not, how do you ground yourself in the grace to project genocidal ambitions onto those whose lives have been uprooted by Israel?

 

These posts continually reek of a Western chauvinism to where part of your disbelief over how anyone could hold Israel and Hamas as equally responsible is rooted in a fundamental belief that the essence of being Israeli and the essence of being Palestinian are inherently different, with one having more inherent worth than the other.

 

You of course don't have to answer, and I don't expect you to, but there's a deeply unsettling venom towards the reality of being critical towards unverified reports and anyone taking caution with government-coordinated media campaigns, and that you don't feel the same way because you don't believe the West does these things. 

 

What happened to the claims babies were being ripped from incubators presented to the UN of all places in 1990? Were weapons of mass destruction ever found after 9/11? Israel is outwardly calling for the genocide of all Gazans, and hoping to be given the greenlight by the powers that finance it. Too many lives are in the balance to just so casually demand people not expect journalists to actually have high standards for the information they vet.

 

 

So irresponsible (but unsurprising) that they’re resorting to War on Terror era lies to justify Israel’s attacks on Gaza.

 

 

[Dan81]

1 hour ago, KUNTPERFECTA said:

Another important video to watch and learn about the enemy of the world 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyQXT4tNI2s/

 This is the  dark history of America. These are the wars I have waged since its inception

Although the age of the United States of America has only passed about 250 years, it has spent 93% of its age, which means 222 years in various wars against other countries and their occupation all over the world... More than 90 wars and aggressions, most of which are war crimes, which indicates that they are the most insest and humiliated civilization throughout history according to what is stated in this black list:

1- 1833 American troops invaded Nicaragua.

2- 1888 American troops entered Peru.

3- 1846 American forces occupied and annexed Mexican territory, which is what is known today as Texas.

4- 1848 American forces occupied and annexed another Mexican territory, now California and New Mexico.

5- 1854 The United States destroyed the port of Gray Town in Nicaragua in retaliation for its government's failure to accept the entry of an American agent into its territory.

6- 1855 U.S. forces invaded Uruguay and then invaded the Panama Canal.

7- 1857 intervened again in Nicaragua to thwart an attempt by America's enemy William Rucker to take power.

8- 1873 American forces invaded Colombia, then carried out operations against it over the years 1885 - 1891 - 1892 - 1893 - 1898 - 1899.

9- 1888 America intervened in Haiti.

10- 1891 America intervened in Chile.

11-1894 America intervened again in Nicaragua.

12- 1898 It besieged Cuba and besieged its forces at sea and forcibly took the Gulf of Guantanamo where hundreds of victims are currently captured in brutal, barbaric and inhuman conditions admitted by the Americans themselves.

13-1901 - 1902 America intervened again in Colombia.

14- 1902 America intervened in Honduras.

15- 1904 Attack on Panama

16- 1905 Attack on Honduras.

17- 1907 America captured six cities in Honduras.

18-1907 Attack on Mexico to help dictator Borroero Demzbrai.

19-1907 Attack on Nicaragua.

20- 1907 Entry into the Dominican Republic to suppress the Revolution.

21-1908 Participation in the war between Honduras and Nicaragua.

22-1910 Intervention by military force in the Panama elections.

23-1911 Intervention to suppress the coup against the Nicaragua government.

24- 1911 Enter Honduras to support the revolution led by Manuel Bonilla against President-elect Miguel Dauya.

25-1911 Suppression of the anti-American uprising in the Philippines.

26-1912 Military intervention in China.

27-1912 Attack on Cuba.

28-1912 Attack on Panama

29-1912 Attack on Honduras

30- 1914 The Marines entered Haiti in an airdrop operation and stole the central bank there under the pretext of recovering its debts.

31- 1915 All Haiti was occupied, and remained there until 1934.

32-1916 American forces intervened in the Dominican against the revolutionaries of corrupt power and imposed on them a client military government until 1924.

33- 1917 Occupation of Cuba.

34- 1918 Participation in World War I.

35- 1920-1918 Intervention in Russia.

36- 1919 Military intervention in Panama.

37-1919 Intervention militarily in Costa Rica.

38- 1920 Again attack on Honduras.

39- 1921 Attack on Guatemala.

40-1922 Intervention militarily in Turkey.

41- 1922 American troops intervened in El Salvador.

42-1924 Intervention militarily in China.

43- 1925 Military attack on Honduras again.

44-1926 Attack on Panama again.

45- 1927 Attack on Nicaragua again.

46- 1932 Occupation of China.

47- 1933 Occupation of Nicaragua.

48- 1934 Occupation of Haiti.

49- 1937 Attack on the Salvador.

50- 1945 Attack on Nicaragua

51- 1945 As the World War ended, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed in Japan. About 220,000 people lost their lives as a result of the dropping of the atomic bomb, more than 100,000 people were killed during the bombing directly, and the rest lost their lives in late 1945 as a result of the harmful radiation they were infected with.

52- 1947 The attack on Greece.

53- 1950 Attack on the Philippines.

54- 1950 Attack on Puerto Rico.

55- 1950 America was involved in the Korean War.

56- 1952 intervened in Iran and American intelligence eliminated the national government of Mohammad Mossadegh and returned the Shah of Iran.

57- 1954 America toppled the government of Guatemala by force.

58- 1958 Attack on Korea.

59- 1958 Attack on Lebanon.

60- 1959 Attack on Panama

61- 1959 Attack on Laos.

62- 1960 Attack on Haiti

63- 1960 Military operations against Ecuador.

64- 1961 U.S. forces invaded the Bay of Pigs in Cuba.

65- 1962 US President Kennedy imposed a naval and air blockade on Cuba to force the Soviets to remove their atomic missiles from the island.

66- 1965 Attack on Panama.

67- 1965 The doctrine of war inherent in the minds and hearts of American policy makers removed Capra from the United States Army in the Vietnam War, in which the US Army practiced the most heinous crimes not only against humanity but against plants and animals when American poisons flowed from American planes to destroy plowing, planting and animals over all Vietnamese land and the war ended in 1975 despite all America's weapons and the brutality of its army with a historic defeat for them.

68- 1966 Toxic gases on Vietnam.

69- 1966 Attack on Guatemala

70-1967 U.S. intelligence helped the Bolivian army against Guevara and was able to assassinate him.

71- 1970 Cambodia invaded and assaulted its “representative of legitimacy” Prince Sihanouk the neutral person “in the Vietnam War” and dropped him and handed over power to a weak government loyal to it.

72- 1971 Military support for Indonesia against the Philippines.

73- 1972 bombing of Laos.

74- 1973 destabilized Chile and assassinated its anti-American President Salvador Allende, and established a military dictatorship there.

75- 1980 Attack on Nicaragua.

76- 1980 Reagan took power and launched the Star Wars project, provided the Zionist entity with huge financial aid and built a military force in the region.

77- 1981 America deployed its missiles throughout Europe.

78- 1983 Military operations against Iran.

79-1986 Military intervention in Grenada.

80- 1988 The attack on Libya.

81- 1988 Attack on Honduras.

82- 1989 An attack on the Iranian plane killed the 290 passengers on board.

83- 1989 Military invasion against Panama.

84- 1991 Disruption in the British Virgin Islands.

85- 1991 Aggression against Iraq.

86- 1995 Aggression against Bosnia.

87-1998 The occupation of Somalia and the use of excessive violence against its citizens.

88-1999 Attack on Sudan.

89- 2001 War against Yugoslavia under the cover of NATO. The bombing lasted 78 days, and Yugoslavia collapsed.

90-2001 The attack on Afghanistan and its occupation under the pretext of chasing Al-Qaeda, as it later became clear that America prepared and formed Al-Qaeda.

91-2003 Attack on and occupation of Iraq without UN authorization and in clear violation of the UN Charter and international law.

92- 2011 Attack on Libya after the revolution and the overthrow of Gaddafi rule.

93- 2011 Official support for armed terrorist groups, led by ISIS and Al-Nusra in Syria to topple the Syrian president.

94- 2015 Its direct aggression with all international prohibited weapons on Yemen.

Edited October 12, 2023 by Dan81

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, nooniebao said:

So irresponsible (but unsurprising) that they’re resorting to War on Terror era lies to justify Israel’s attacks on Gaza.

 

 

But the war machine needs to manufacture consent for when American tax dollars are captured on video in the form of missiles that level Gaza further into rubble.

 

You see this even with so-called progressive Democrats disavowing DSA for standing in solidarity with Palestine and "ending" their membership, despite the inconvenient reality that the below Dem in question was already kicked out and his membership rescinded just last month by a member vote for his continued support of Modi's government:

The same people who voted unanimously over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over for unconditional military aid and financing for weapons that kill Palestinians now want people to think that their hearts ache over needless violence.

Edited October 12, 2023 by Communion

[Buffy]

6 minutes ago, Dan81 said:

America is the enemy of the world this is the  dark history of America. These are the wars I have waged since its inception

Although the age of the United States of America has only passed about 250 years, it has spent 93% of its age, which means 222 years in various wars against other countries and their occupation all over the world... More than 90 wars and aggressions, most of which are war crimes, which indicates that they are the most insest and humiliated civilization throughout history according to what is stated in this black list:

1- 1833 American troops invaded Nicaragua.

2- 1888 American troops entered Peru.

3- 1846 American forces occupied and annexed Mexican territory, which is what is known today as Texas.

4- 1848 American forces occupied and annexed another Mexican territory, now California and New Mexico.

5- 1854 The United States destroyed the port of Gray Town in Nicaragua in retaliation for its government's failure to accept the entry of an American agent into its territory.

6- 1855 U.S. forces invaded Uruguay and then invaded the Panama Canal.

7- 1857 intervened again in Nicaragua to thwart an attempt by America's enemy William Rucker to take power.

8- 1873 American forces invaded Colombia, then carried out operations against it over the years 1885 - 1891 - 1892 - 1893 - 1898 - 1899.

9- 1888 America intervened in Haiti.

10- 1891 America intervened in Chile.

11-1894 America intervened again in Nicaragua.

12- 1898 It besieged Cuba and besieged its forces at sea and forcibly took the Gulf of Guantanamo where hundreds of victims are currently captured in brutal, barbaric and inhuman conditions admitted by the Americans themselves.

13-1901 - 1902 America intervened again in Colombia.

14- 1902 America intervened in Honduras.

15- 1904 Attack on Panama

16- 1905 Attack on Honduras.

17- 1907 America captured six cities in Honduras.

18-1907 Attack on Mexico to help dictator Borroero Demzbrai.

19-1907 Attack on Nicaragua.

20- 1907 Entry into the Dominican Republic to suppress the Revolution.

21-1908 Participation in the war between Honduras and Nicaragua.

22-1910 Intervention by military force in the Panama elections.

23-1911 Intervention to suppress the coup against the Nicaragua government.

24- 1911 Enter Honduras to support the revolution led by Manuel Bonilla against President-elect Miguel Dauya.

25-1911 Suppression of the anti-American uprising in the Philippines.

26-1912 Military intervention in China.

27-1912 Attack on Cuba.

28-1912 Attack on Panama

29-1912 Attack on Honduras

30- 1914 The Marines entered Haiti in an airdrop operation and stole the central bank there under the pretext of recovering its debts.

31- 1915 All Haiti was occupied, and remained there until 1934.

32-1916 American forces intervened in the Dominican against the revolutionaries of corrupt power and imposed on them a client military government until 1924.

33- 1917 Occupation of Cuba.

34- 1918 Participation in World War I.

35- 1920-1918 Intervention in Russia.

36- 1919 Military intervention in Panama.

37-1919 Intervention militarily in Costa Rica.

38- 1920 Again attack on Honduras.

39- 1921 Attack on Guatemala.

40-1922 Intervention militarily in Turkey.

41- 1922 American troops intervened in El Salvador.

42-1924 Intervention militarily in China.

43- 1925 Military attack on Honduras again.

44-1926 Attack on Panama again.

45- 1927 Attack on Nicaragua again.

46- 1932 Occupation of China.

47- 1933 Occupation of Nicaragua.

48- 1934 Occupation of Haiti.

49- 1937 Attack on the Salvador.

50- 1945 Attack on Nicaragua

51- 1945 As the World War ended, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed in Japan. About 220,000 people lost their lives as a result of the dropping of the atomic bomb, more than 100,000 people were killed during the bombing directly, and the rest lost their lives in late 1945 as a result of the harmful radiation they were infected with.

52- 1947 The attack on Greece.

53- 1950 Attack on the Philippines.

54- 1950 Attack on Puerto Rico.

55- 1950 America was involved in the Korean War.

56- 1952 intervened in Iran and American intelligence eliminated the national government of Mohammad Mossadegh and returned the Shah of Iran.

57- 1954 America toppled the government of Guatemala by force.

58- 1958 Attack on Korea.

59- 1958 Attack on Lebanon.

60- 1959 Attack on Panama

61- 1959 Attack on Laos.

62- 1960 Attack on Haiti

63- 1960 Military operations against Ecuador.

64- 1961 U.S. forces invaded the Bay of Pigs in Cuba.

65- 1962 US President Kennedy imposed a naval and air blockade on Cuba to force the Soviets to remove their atomic missiles from the island.

66- 1965 Attack on Panama.

67- 1965 The doctrine of war inherent in the minds and hearts of American policy makers removed Capra from the United States Army in the Vietnam War, in which the US Army practiced the most heinous crimes not only against humanity but against plants and animals when American poisons flowed from American planes to destroy plowing, planting and animals over all Vietnamese land and the war ended in 1975 despite all America's weapons and the brutality of its army with a historic defeat for them.

68- 1966 Toxic gases on Vietnam.

69- 1966 Attack on Guatemala

70-1967 U.S. intelligence helped the Bolivian army against Guevara and was able to assassinate him.

71- 1970 Cambodia invaded and assaulted its “representative of legitimacy” Prince Sihanouk the neutral person “in the Vietnam War” and dropped him and handed over power to a weak government loyal to it.

72- 1971 Military support for Indonesia against the Philippines.

73- 1972 bombing of Laos.

74- 1973 destabilized Chile and assassinated its anti-American President Salvador Allende, and established a military dictatorship there.

75- 1980 Attack on Nicaragua.

76- 1980 Reagan took power and launched the Star Wars project, provided the Zionist entity with huge financial aid and built a military force in the region.

77- 1981 America deployed its missiles throughout Europe.

78- 1983 Military operations against Iran.

79-1986 Military intervention in Grenada.

80- 1988 The attack on Libya.

81- 1988 Attack on Honduras.

82- 1989 An attack on the Iranian plane killed the 290 passengers on board.

83- 1989 Military invasion against Panama.

84- 1991 Disruption in the British Virgin Islands.

85- 1991 Aggression against Iraq.

86- 1995 Aggression against Bosnia.

87-1998 The occupation of Somalia and the use of excessive violence against its citizens.

88-1999 Attack on Sudan.

89- 2001 War against Yugoslavia under the cover of NATO. The bombing lasted 78 days, and Yugoslavia collapsed.

90-2001 The attack on Afghanistan and its occupation under the pretext of chasing Al-Qaeda, as it later became clear that America prepared and formed Al-Qaeda.

91-2003 Attack on and occupation of Iraq without UN authorization and in clear violation of the UN Charter and international law.

92- 2011 Attack on Libya after the revolution and the overthrow of Gaddafi rule.

93- 2011 Official support for armed terrorist groups, led by ISIS and Al-Nusra in Syria to topple the Syrian president.

94- 2015 Its direct aggression with all international prohibited weapons on Yemen.

How long did it take you type all that?  Or was it copied/pasted from somewhere?

[Aethereal]

23 hours ago, Jjang said:

Thank you for thinking of me. There's simply too much chaos going on and no energy to engage in social media/internet activities. But I'm well. 

I am really sorry for what you're going through. It's bad enough just reading the news, I can't imagine actually experiencing this. 

[Nova_23]

20 minutes ago, Dan81 said:

America is the enemy of the world this is the  dark history of America. These are the wars I have waged since its inception

Although the age of the United States of America has only passed about 250 years, it has spent 93% of its age, which means 222 years in various wars against other countries and their occupation all over the world... More than 90 wars and aggressions, most of which are war crimes, which indicates that they are the most insest and humiliated civilization throughout history according to what is stated in this black list:

1- 1833 American troops invaded Nicaragua.

2- 1888 American troops entered Peru.

3- 1846 American forces occupied and annexed Mexican territory, which is what is known today as Texas.

4- 1848 American forces occupied and annexed another Mexican territory, now California and New Mexico.

5- 1854 The United States destroyed the port of Gray Town in Nicaragua in retaliation for its government's failure to accept the entry of an American agent into its territory.

6- 1855 U.S. forces invaded Uruguay and then invaded the Panama Canal.

7- 1857 intervened again in Nicaragua to thwart an attempt by America's enemy William Rucker to take power.

8- 1873 American forces invaded Colombia, then carried out operations against it over the years 1885 - 1891 - 1892 - 1893 - 1898 - 1899.

9- 1888 America intervened in Haiti.

10- 1891 America intervened in Chile.

11-1894 America intervened again in Nicaragua.

12- 1898 It besieged Cuba and besieged its forces at sea and forcibly took the Gulf of Guantanamo where hundreds of victims are currently captured in brutal, barbaric and inhuman conditions admitted by the Americans themselves.

13-1901 - 1902 America intervened again in Colombia.

14- 1902 America intervened in Honduras.

15- 1904 Attack on Panama

16- 1905 Attack on Honduras.

17- 1907 America captured six cities in Honduras.

18-1907 Attack on Mexico to help dictator Borroero Demzbrai.

19-1907 Attack on Nicaragua.

20- 1907 Entry into the Dominican Republic to suppress the Revolution.

21-1908 Participation in the war between Honduras and Nicaragua.

22-1910 Intervention by military force in the Panama elections.

23-1911 Intervention to suppress the coup against the Nicaragua government.

24- 1911 Enter Honduras to support the revolution led by Manuel Bonilla against President-elect Miguel Dauya.

25-1911 Suppression of the anti-American uprising in the Philippines.

26-1912 Military intervention in China.

27-1912 Attack on Cuba.

28-1912 Attack on Panama

29-1912 Attack on Honduras

30- 1914 The Marines entered Haiti in an airdrop operation and stole the central bank there under the pretext of recovering its debts.

31- 1915 All Haiti was occupied, and remained there until 1934.

32-1916 American forces intervened in the Dominican against the revolutionaries of corrupt power and imposed on them a client military government until 1924.

33- 1917 Occupation of Cuba.

34- 1918 Participation in World War I.

35- 1920-1918 Intervention in Russia.

36- 1919 Military intervention in Panama.

37-1919 Intervention militarily in Costa Rica.

38- 1920 Again attack on Honduras.

39- 1921 Attack on Guatemala.

40-1922 Intervention militarily in Turkey.

41- 1922 American troops intervened in El Salvador.

42-1924 Intervention militarily in China.

43- 1925 Military attack on Honduras again.

44-1926 Attack on Panama again.

45- 1927 Attack on Nicaragua again.

46- 1932 Occupation of China.

47- 1933 Occupation of Nicaragua.

48- 1934 Occupation of Haiti.

49- 1937 Attack on the Salvador.

50- 1945 Attack on Nicaragua

51- 1945 As the World War ended, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed in Japan. About 220,000 people lost their lives as a result of the dropping of the atomic bomb, more than 100,000 people were killed during the bombing directly, and the rest lost their lives in late 1945 as a result of the harmful radiation they were infected with.

52- 1947 The attack on Greece.

53- 1950 Attack on the Philippines.

54- 1950 Attack on Puerto Rico.

55- 1950 America was involved in the Korean War.

56- 1952 intervened in Iran and American intelligence eliminated the national government of Mohammad Mossadegh and returned the Shah of Iran.

57- 1954 America toppled the government of Guatemala by force.

58- 1958 Attack on Korea.

59- 1958 Attack on Lebanon.

60- 1959 Attack on Panama

61- 1959 Attack on Laos.

62- 1960 Attack on Haiti

63- 1960 Military operations against Ecuador.

64- 1961 U.S. forces invaded the Bay of Pigs in Cuba.

65- 1962 US President Kennedy imposed a naval and air blockade on Cuba to force the Soviets to remove their atomic missiles from the island.

66- 1965 Attack on Panama.

67- 1965 The doctrine of war inherent in the minds and hearts of American policy makers removed Capra from the United States Army in the Vietnam War, in which the US Army practiced the most heinous crimes not only against humanity but against plants and animals when American poisons flowed from American planes to destroy plowing, planting and animals over all Vietnamese land and the war ended in 1975 despite all America's weapons and the brutality of its army with a historic defeat for them.

68- 1966 Toxic gases on Vietnam.

69- 1966 Attack on Guatemala

70-1967 U.S. intelligence helped the Bolivian army against Guevara and was able to assassinate him.

71- 1970 Cambodia invaded and assaulted its “representative of legitimacy” Prince Sihanouk the neutral person “in the Vietnam War” and dropped him and handed over power to a weak government loyal to it.

72- 1971 Military support for Indonesia against the Philippines.

73- 1972 bombing of Laos.

74- 1973 destabilized Chile and assassinated its anti-American President Salvador Allende, and established a military dictatorship there.

75- 1980 Attack on Nicaragua.

76- 1980 Reagan took power and launched the Star Wars project, provided the Zionist entity with huge financial aid and built a military force in the region.

77- 1981 America deployed its missiles throughout Europe.

78- 1983 Military operations against Iran.

79-1986 Military intervention in Grenada.

80- 1988 The attack on Libya.

81- 1988 Attack on Honduras.

82- 1989 An attack on the Iranian plane killed the 290 passengers on board.

83- 1989 Military invasion against Panama.

84- 1991 Disruption in the British Virgin Islands.

85- 1991 Aggression against Iraq.

86- 1995 Aggression against Bosnia.

87-1998 The occupation of Somalia and the use of excessive violence against its citizens.

88-1999 Attack on Sudan.

89- 2001 War against Yugoslavia under the cover of NATO. The bombing lasted 78 days, and Yugoslavia collapsed.

90-2001 The attack on Afghanistan and its occupation under the pretext of chasing Al-Qaeda, as it later became clear that America prepared and formed Al-Qaeda.

91-2003 Attack on and occupation of Iraq without UN authorization and in clear violation of the UN Charter and international law.

92- 2011 Attack on Libya after the revolution and the overthrow of Gaddafi rule.

93- 2011 Official support for armed terrorist groups, led by ISIS and Al-Nusra in Syria to topple the Syrian president.

94- 2015 Its direct aggression with all international prohibited weapons on Yemen.

The USA would not exist if it wasn’t constantly waging wars. 

[Nova_23]

27 minutes ago, nooniebao said:

So irresponsible (but unsurprising) that they’re resorting to War on Terror era lies to justify Israel’s attacks on Gaza.

 

 

The Israeli propaganda machine is in full swing. But it’s too late cause everyone believes it now which is exactly how propaganda works. 

 

The USA knows this tactic all to well. 

[Harrier]

46 minutes ago, Communion said:

Saying this again after specifically going after a user or two whose livelihoods have been impacted by Israeli meddling and chaos-creation in the region is weird. Are calls for landback by native Americans genocidal? Are calls for landback by aboriginal Australians genocidal? Would you be comfortable telling an aboriginal Australian that you felt that they were calling for your murder as an Australian settler by calling for self-determination? If not, how do you ground yourself in the grace to project genocidal ambitions onto those whose lives have been uprooted by Israel?

 

These posts continually reek of a Western chauvinism to where part of your disbelief over how anyone could hold Israel and Hamas as equally responsible is rooted in a fundamental belief that the essence of being Israeli and the essence of being Palestinian are inherently different, with one having more inherent worth than the other.

 

You of course don't have to answer, and I don't expect you to, but there's a deeply unsettling venom towards the reality of being critical towards unverified reports and anyone taking caution with government-coordinated media campaigns, and that you don't feel the same way because you don't believe the West does these things. 

 

What happened to the claims babies were being ripped from incubators presented to the UN of all places in 1990? Were weapons of mass destruction ever found after 9/11? Israel is outwardly calling for the genocide of all Gazans, and hoping to be given the greenlight by the powers that finance it. Too many lives are in the balance to just so casually demand people not expect journalists to actually have high standards for the information they vet.

 

 

If Indigenous Australians were widely calling for the expulsion of all settler descended people and immigrants, then yes, I would be comfortable labelling it a call for genocide or ethnic cleansing. That is what from the river to the sea means. But they're not, because the Indigenous justice movement in this country doesn't seek to create suffering for tens of millions of people in the name of 'justice' (see: vengeance).

Spoiler

You can look forward to my anger at my own country when our Indigenous Voice referendum fails this weekend. I might make the thread.

I don't know the backgrounds of any users as I don't use this website socially, so there has never been any intentional targeting on my end as you suggest. Additionally, holding both Hamas and Israel responsible is what I have been arguing for consistently. Read my post history if you wish. I have fought against users who framed Hamas' actions as justified or necessary, or engaged in Hamas apologia.

 

There is nothing wrong with asking for a journalistic claim to be verified. That is not what users are doing. Instead, with no evidence, they are claiming that this beheading story is a false Israeli propaganda piece intended to manufacture consent for genocide. I don't know if it happened or not, and it doesn't change my view of the situation regardless, but as I said it is not outside the realm of possibility given the reasons I laid out.

 

You are welcome to take whatever implications you wish from my posts, and I won't spend time arguing against every one of them. You think I'm a western chauvanist, but I feel that interpretation results from your black and white world view that consistently positions the West and particularly the United States as the villain in every possible scenario, regardless of context. We disagree on international issues as has been long established - no point going to war over it in this thread.

 

 

 

 

[KUNTPERFECTA]

Downvoting instead of commenting says a lot. I’m gonna leave videos here for the ones that are confused about the situation, in hopes that everyone in here starts condemning violence and terror. 

[byzantium]

2 minutes ago, KUNTPERFECTA said:

Downvoting instead of commenting says a lot. I’m gonna leave videos here for the ones that are confused about the situation, in hopes that everyone in here starts condemning violence and terror. 

I don’t think people are ready to condemn the IDF unfortunately.

[airplane]

1 minute ago, KUNTPERFECTA said:

Downvoting instead of commenting says a lot. I’m gonna leave videos here for the ones that are confused about the situation, in hopes that everyone in here starts condemning violence and terror. 

“Confused about the situation” then goes onto show videos solely about Hamas instead of presenting thorough historical context to the current situation. I think you can excuse us with your bullshit.

 

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Also, mess at Biden being exposed for lying by the White House spokesperson. He really needs to go. Just sick and twisted in every way

[Bears01]

12 minutes ago, KUNTPERFECTA said:

Downvoting instead of commenting says a lot. I’m gonna leave videos here for the ones that are confused about the situation, in hopes that everyone in here starts condemning violence and terror. 

I condemn the violence that Hamas is committing. It’s medieval level barbarism. 
 

I STRONGLY condemn the violence Israel has committed against the Palestinian people for over 70+years now, essentially turning them into prisoners, with the backing from the same globalist institutions that destabilized multiple countries and screwed over the middle class of their own citizens 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Bears01

[Dan81]

12 minutes ago, KUNTPERFECTA said:

Downvoting instead of commenting says a lot. I’m gonna leave videos here for the ones that are confused about the situation, in hopes that everyone in here starts condemning violence and terror. 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

“Confused about the situation” then goes onto show videos solely about Hamas instead of presenting thorough historical context to the current situation. I think you can excuse us with your bullshit.

 

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Also, mess at Biden being exposed for lying by the White House spokesperson. He really needs to go. Just sick and twisted in every way

Biden constantly lies and speaks out of turn, undercutting the aims of the State Department and intelligence agencies by speaking too eagerly on issues he doesn't fully comprehend. He's a Cold Warrior, so he's vehemently anti-Russia and stated outright that America's explicit goal was regime change in Russia after they began their illegal invasion of Ukraine, which short of invading and preparing for the eventuality of nuclear warfare, America has no way of effectuating. In this case, Biden is a Radical Zionist Terrorist, so he will jump to confirm maximalist allegations levied against Hamas in order to justify whatever the extent of Netanyahu's ethnic cleansing efforts may entail.

 

People like @Harrier may complain about the crassness of the phrase "from the river to the sea," but the end goal of the IDF themselves has essentially been that "From the river to the sea, Israel shall be free of Palestinians." It's just been a matter of building Western consent for such an undertaking. That's why they've oppressed the Palestinians so hard and for so long, to push them to a boiling point of desperation. That's why Bibi and the West have covertly been funding Hamas and building them up so they could overtake Fatah.

[Harrier]

7 minutes ago, KUNTPERFECTA said:

Downvoting instead of commenting says a lot. I’m gonna leave videos here for the ones that are confused about the situation, in hopes that everyone in here starts condemning violence and terror. 

Will you condemn the many, many documented abuses by the IDF? There is no arguing against it. 200 Palestinian civillians have been killed in the West Bank this year before the conflict including 5 children under 12. How can you possibly spin that as the actions of a just military? 

 

[KUNTPERFECTA]

I’ve never thought I would hear of such actions again after the holocaust ended.

https://x.com/caitlyn_jenner/status/1711250476803686661?

 

Trying to excuse terror on the internet and real life is brutal and unacceptable. 

[Dan81]

10 minutes ago, airplane said:

“Confused about the situation” then goes onto show videos solely about Hamas instead of presenting thorough historical context to the current situation. I think you can excuse us with your bullshit.

 

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Also, mess at Biden being exposed for lying by the White House spokesperson. He really needs to go. Just sick and twisted in every way

I agree sleepy  Biden is a joke and he needs to go 

[KUNTPERFECTA]

It’s time you all realize Hamas is an enemy, is it so hard to see? After the past week, the videos that were shared, the stories, the terror… 

it is terrifying seeing people who support that. 

Edited October 12, 2023 by KUNTPERFECTA

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, KUNTPERFECTA said:

I’ve never thought I would hear of such actions again after the holocaust ended.

https://x.com/caitlyn_jenner/status/1711250476803686661?

 

Trying to excuse terror on the internet and real life is brutal and unacceptable. 

The same people are dead silent over the many atrocities the IDF has committed against the Palestinian people. And there’s decades of precedent in that regard. 
 

The neocons, globalists, and liberals have really United on this issue, and those are the same exact people who fearmongered the American public into supporting mass atrocities after the absolutely tragic events of 9/11

[Aethereal]

The conflict is very complicated but one thing that needs to said is that Israel has done little to nothing to soften the blow and they are very much capable of doing something. 

[spree]

I am not well versed in what's going on in this part of the world, but the images I'm seeing are absolutely horrific.  Babies getting their heads chopped off?  Downright evil.