Monster Megamind Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 I really never thought I'd witness public hangings like this after ISIS got destroyed but here we ***** ARE! 1
Communion Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: And leftist want such people to migrate to the west... No wonder the right wing is empowered.... Color me shocked! FYI, everyone reading this knows that you're randomly talking about *checks notes* migration (???) because the negotiation that the Israeli government tried to sabotage, said would never work, etc. has literally gone on without an issue from the side of Palestine: Edited November 25, 2023 by Communion
Monster Megamind Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: I really never thought I'd witness public hangings like this after ISIS got destroyed but here we ***** ARE! At least this closes the chapter of a one state solution for me for ever... And they don't even want a 2 state solution so that's that. 4
ClashAndBurn Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: At least this closes the chapter of a one state solution for me for ever... And they don't even want a 2 state solution so that's that. Israel doesn't want a two state solution either. They want one state for themselves, and to push Palestinians out of Gaza and West Bank (which they've referred to consistently as Judea and Samaria- they're making it extremely clear what the endgame of their present campaign is). 4
Harrier Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 Hamas are humanitarians you guys, they just wanted to release Palestinian prisoners. They didn't mean to kill all those people Oh wait also Israel did the Israeli casualties actually Oh wait also Israel is faking the Hamas Oct 7th footage 1 2 2 8
Monster Megamind Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 May be Trump getting elected is the perfect sequel to the Israel crisis. I was searching for one good reason for his election but he's the only one who can lead this war to it's definite culmination. 1 1 7
Communion Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Harrier said: Hamas are humanitarians you guys Users: *nefariously frame Hamas as exactly following the conditions of the negotiation as somehow bad* Same users once receiving pushback: "HMMM I GUESS WE ALL HAVE TO THINK HAMAS IS AMAZING! THEY'RE HUMANITARIANS!" You do not have to view Hamas positively in any way, but you will never win the narrative fight of framing Hamas as somehow worse than Israel. You cannot do this because factual reality exists. Because reality is self-evident and evil always reveals itself. If you've still not accepted this basic fact, you're out of your depth and have never been open to a reality where Palestinians don't live under the boot of Israel. In every single way imaginable, on a 1 to 1 comparison, Palestinians as the occupied people will be the - as you say - lesser evil than their occupiers. So yes, when you work as a propagandist or a useful idiot for a genocidal regime, you will be asked to reconcile with the facts in front of you. Hamas are not humanitarians, but they're also certainly not the evil that the IDF represents, which is objective fact: Edited November 25, 2023 by Communion 4 5
ClashAndBurn Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: May be Trump getting elected is the perfect sequel to the Israel crisis. I was searching for one good reason for his election but he's the only one who can lead this war to it's definite culmination. And there it is.
Monster Megamind Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 Just now, ClashAndBurn said: And there it is. It is indeed true. Biden being pulled from both sides of his leftist and moderate base can only deliver a middling solution. Trump is the only one who will not face such pressures.
ClashAndBurn Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Monster Megamind said: It is indeed true. Biden being pulled from both sides of his leftist and moderate base can only deliver a middling solution. Trump is the only one who will not face such pressures. What is the "definite culmination" to you, then? Is it ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank via expulsion to Egypt and Jordan? Is it concentration camps (which Gaza basically already is one)? If you don't believe in a one-state, or even a two-state solution being possible, those are the only alternatives left. Does it even, say, go as far as extending Israel's borders to the Euphrates River? Which is a thing that their activist base has laid claim to, if you take Daniella Weiss's interview at face value. Quote What are the borders of that Jewish nation? The borders of the homeland of the Jews are the Euphrates in the east and the Nile in the southwest. [This would include the territory of multiple Middle Eastern countries as well as the territory that Israel controls today.] https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-extreme-ambitions-of-west-bank-settlers 1 4
Communion Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) Western liberals propel such narratives that already fill their social media feeds because they know that the orders come from the top-down. Suddenly discussions are inundated with people who were shouting "BRING THEM HOME!!!!11" for weeks now abruptly thinking the peaceful exchange of hostages is... bad? And that such shouldn't get in the way of viewing Hamas as needing to be destroyed? The same Hamas that has honored the peace pause? I wonder why. It must be because Biden is already trying to do covert PR for Israel and say this humanitarian pause is failing or destined to fail despite the opposite: Why would the current President of the United States say he doesn't expect Hamas to honor the hostage exchange hours after such already occurred, and it has since been the IDF to break calls for no violence? Edited November 25, 2023 by Communion 2 1
Monster Megamind Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said: What is the "definite culmination" to you, then? Is it ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank via expulsion to Egypt and Jordan? Is it concentration camps (which Gaza basically already is one)? If you don't believe in a one-state, or even a two-state solution being possible, those are the only alternatives left. Does it even, say, go as far as extending Israel's borders to the Euphrates River? Which is a thing that their activist base has laid claim to, if you take Daniella Weiss's interview at face value. https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-extreme-ambitions-of-west-bank-settlers At this point I want the status quo to continue indefinitely. Now I understand why things are the way they are, in a much better way. If people actually wanted peace, they would've already had it after the Oslo accords but we know humans are self destructive. 5
ClashAndBurn Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: At this point I want the status quo to continue indefinitely. Now I understand why things are the way they are, in a much better way. If people actually wanted peace, they would've already had it after the Oslo accords but we know humans are self destructive. The status quo?????? The status quo where Gaza is an open-air prison, the West Bank faces violence from settlers under the protection of the IDF and Israeli police who are ordered by Ben-Gvir to let it happen, and all Palestinians are denied freedom of passage from enclave to enclave? THAT status quo? Or the current status quo where the Palestinians are being blown apart by American bombs while Hamas has taken fewer casualties than UN staff? You really do view all Palestinians as nothing but savages, don't you? Edited November 25, 2023 by ClashAndBurn 4
Monster Megamind Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said: The status quo?????? The status quo where Gaza is an open-air prison, the West Bank faces violence from settlers under the protection of the IDF and Israeli police who are ordered by Ben-Gvir to let it happen, and all Palestinians are denied freedom of passage from enclave to enclave? THAT status quo? You really do view all Palestinians as nothing but savages, don't you? Public hanging has proven their savagery today... And yes I want the status quo Edited November 25, 2023 by Monster Megamind 1 7
ClashAndBurn Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 Just now, Monster Megamind said: Public hanging has proven their savagery today... And yes I want the status quo That the actions of a few should mean all the rest should be condemned? Oh wow... The status quo is untenable, and is why Hamas exists to begin with. It's actually evil, psychopathic **** to want that to continue. 2
Communion Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: proven their savagery 2
teresaguidice Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Monster Megamind said: May be Trump getting elected is the perfect sequel to the Israel crisis. I was searching for one good reason for his election but he's the only one who can lead this war to it's definite culmination. i know you're a troll and instigator but calling for a mass genocide event to "culminate" this war seems a bit much, even for a ghoul. final solution vibes! Edited November 25, 2023 by teresaguidice 4
FOCK Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 The contempt that seeps from these media ghouls when truth is being spoken is truly beyond logic. Just so unfathomably disrespectful & rude. Bonus Zionist racism as per And these people have deluded themselves into believing they are the authority on “civility”. Rot in hell. 3
Monster Megamind Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Communion said: Everyone loves their parents. What's unique about that! I'm sure Daesh loved their parents too. Edited November 25, 2023 by Monster Megamind 1 7
FlyPirate Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Monster Megamind said: Israel is literally at war with Palestine. thank you for being honest Monster. Israel (West funded -military and monetary- Zionist ethno-state) is at war with Palestine (2.5M of defenseless people in Gaza AND ALSO the occupied defenseless people in the West Bank). 3 hours ago, Monster Megamind said: And leftist want such people to migrate to the west... No wonder the right wing is empowered.... Color me shocked! Who are you trying to fool, Monster? Yourself maybe? Or maybe you’re more a Simplisticmind instead of Mega? Either you’re ignorant or you are perfectly aware that most radicalisation in the Middle East surges from West invasion and wars and that those wars (which the left will always condemn) are the cause of people displacement and migration and you’re calling them terrorists… very telling! 2 1
Monster Megamind Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, FlyPirate said: thank you for being honest Monster. Israel (West funded -military and monetary- Zionist ethno-state) is at war with Palestine (2.5M of defenseless people in Gaza AND ALSO the occupied defenseless people in the West Bank). Who are you trying to fool, Monster? Yourself maybe? Or maybe you’re more a Simplisticmind instead of Mega? Either you’re ignorant or you are perfectly aware that most radicalisation in the Middle East surges from West invasion and wars and that those wars (which the left will always condemn) are the cause of people displacement and migration and you’re calling them terrorists… very telling! Radicalization is Muslims happened far far before that. In the early ages of Islam, there was a huge focus on science, math, poetry, knowledge. But the radical islamists totally overpowered that sect of Muslims and only the radical version survives today where even the most educated Muslims are not able to rise above their religious ties, to even accept same Sex relations, let alone marriage or trans issues. They are incapable of democracy and as I keep saying, they always need a Daddy or dictator to rule over them and maintain a patriarchal society. They are totally antithetical to western values and their lack of integration is leading to rise of far right in the west.... So tragic beyond words. 9
ClashAndBurn Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 Every time I think I’ve seen the most racist thing ever posted on this forum, a Zionist has to go and prove me wrong. It is ALWAYS the Zionists, and they have the nerve to claim they’re the civilized ones when they’re here calling ALL Palestinians savages that deserve to be killed like animals. 1 4 2
ClashAndBurn Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Harrier said: Hamas are humanitarians you guys, they just wanted to release Palestinian prisoners. They didn't mean to kill all those people Oh wait also Israel did the Israeli casualties actually Oh wait also Israel is faking the Hamas Oct 7th footage The post directly below yours is literally calling for a “Final Solution” to the “Palestinian Problem,” but… sure I guess. 3
Letemtalk Posted November 25, 2023 Posted November 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Monster Megamind said: At least this closes the chapter of a one state solution for me for ever... And they don't even want a 2 state solution so that's that. There is already a one state reality in Palestine, because the sole nuclear armed regional superpower, assisted by the only truly global nuclear superpower, effectively controls all the lands from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean. We all know that no Israeli government that genuinely supports a two-state solution will get elected, so the one state options are: 1) One state with democracy 2) One state with an Apartheid system, with or without Bantustans. 3) One state with ethnic cleansing Most of the time, Israel follows option #2, although with Netanyahu in charge there is a lot more of option #3. When you say "this closes the chapter of a one state solution for me for ever" does this mean you against Netanyahu who is certainly running a one state system, or are you just against any system that gives human rights to the Palestinians? 1
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